legalize drugs ?????

hedonist

pandora wrote:

It would be nice to see medical marijuana be more available to all who
need and want it.

In my opinion all drugs legal sends the wrong message in our society,
a caring society cares enough to watch out for each other.

And yes prescription drugs have taken over our society ...
big pharmie big bucks big trouble for us.

Got something the least bit annoying going on with you?
they got a pill for that! :wtf:

Morning to ya, pandora.

I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.

And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?

Jeesh!

hedonist

chadwick wrote:

but wait. i fuckered up
that number should read... 147,000,002


sorry to hear about Danny's health issues. i hope all is well and he gets and remains stronger everyday

Many thanks to you. Last year was the first year since 2000 that didn't involve the ER and hospital time

pandora

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

It would be nice to see medical marijuana be more available to all who
need and want it.

In my opinion all drugs legal sends the wrong message in our society,
a caring society cares enough to watch out for each other.

And yes prescription drugs have taken over our society ...
big pharmie big bucks big trouble for us.

Got something the least bit annoying going on with you?
they got a pill for that! :wtf:

Morning to ya, pandora.

I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.

And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?

Jeesh!

Morning!
People are irresponsible as much or more than responsible ... laws of all kinds protect
and inform.

Yes, the side effect thing is laughable, how many of us watch the commercials ,
the list goes on and on often ending in rare cases death :fp:
I think I'll keep my mood swings. What is most laughable is the drugs to treat
the side effects of the first drug and people are doing this.

I go back to feeling. Whether it is pain, sadness, anxiety, joy, it is better than not
feeling. It is all about being alive, getting to know oneself, accepting that
and calling upon ones own strengths, support systems and faith in knowing
that we are right where we are supposed to be.... learning.

Have you done the research on BP meds yet that will freak you out...
And it's all the rage!

brianlux

I would rather have a well educated doctor who is not owned by a pharmaceutical company and alternative health care practitioner tell me what drugs to do me and for me- which are good and helpful and which are harmful rather than a law. Laws protect and inform? Only if you can't think for yourself. Laws have their place I suppose but I'm not a big fan of law. I'd rather see education and the teaching of critical thinking so that people will learn to think better for themselves rather than be uneducated zombies following the dotted line.

hedonist

pandora wrote:

I go back to feeling. Whether it is pain, sadness, anxiety, joy, it is better than not
feeling.

That reminds me of Mr. Ament in Single Video Theory (paraphrasing) - "not WHAT to feel, but to feel".

Hell YES...although I do succumb to comfortably numb when the need arises

brian, much agreed on thinking for yourself - self-education. No excuse for otherwise, considering how much information is now available. (of course, one must weed through all that shit to find the truth!)

peacefrompaul

pandora wrote:

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

It would be nice to see medical marijuana be more available to all who
need and want it.

In my opinion all drugs legal sends the wrong message in our society,
a caring society cares enough to watch out for each other.

And yes prescription drugs have taken over our society ...
big pharmie big bucks big trouble for us.

Got something the least bit annoying going on with you?
they got a pill for that! :wtf:

Morning to ya, pandora.

I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.

And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?

Jeesh!

Morning!
People are irresponsible as much or more than responsible ... laws of all kinds protect
and inform.

EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION

Not laws that tell people what they can and can't do to their OWN bodies....

We've had this argument before, Pandora.

pandora

peacefrompaul wrote:

EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION

Not laws that tell people what they can and can't do to their OWN bodies....

We've had this argument before, Pandora.

Yes and always civil, respectful and kind you are thank you!
We will continue to disagree, I am afraid on legalizing all drugs.

Just as we need laws protecting we need much education
this I agree with 100%.

But as we can see ... many know very well the effects of alcohol on the body
yet people continue to endanger others while driving under the influence.

This a comparison as to why we need laws to protect
and consequences for those who are irresponsible and hurt others and society.
This the same with those providing and using hard drugs.

Our bodies are our own until they endanger another. Parent hurt Child, Father hurt Mother,
Employee hurt Employer, Neighbor hurt Neighbor...

person to person we are all connected in relationships in our society,
each one's actions affect the other.
Hard drugs hurt many people and the integrity of society itself.

I know I have said many times to many posters we will agree to disagree
and that is the outcome and hopefully respectfully.

g under p

Not suprised here that this is the case....the NFL isn't focused on recreational drugs.

Brown: At least 50 percent of NFL players smoke pot

Peace

mikepegg44

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/21/penn-jillette-slams-obama-drug-policy-states-rights-video_n_1533004.html


interesting. points out an interesting state's rights view about the Obama administration.

JonnyPistachio

Chicago could use this right about now:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... f-pot?lite

the Chicago City Council Wednesday voted 43-3 to approve a new city pot policy.
The ordinance gives police the option to issue a ticket for possession of 15 grams of marijuana or less. Arrests would still be mandated for anyone caught smoking pot in public or possessing marijuana in or near a school or in or near a park. The new rules go into effect Aug. 4.

Supporters of the ordinance, including Mayor Rahm Emanuel, said issuing tickets frees up cops for more serious crime and ultimately will save the police department about $1 million.

hedonist

I'm not a Rahm fan, but good going, Chicago!

I wish our piece-of-shit mayor would follow suit.

BinauralJam

i read recently the U.S.A. has 5% of the world population and 25% of the world prisoners, hell of business

pandora

Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.

Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.

It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.

hedonist

pandora wrote:

Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.

Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.

It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.

Those poor boys. There are always idiots around, unfortunately.

I'd imagine that if someone drinks responsibly (I hate that damned PC term every time I see it in a booze ad), they'd apply that same prudence when smoking as well.

As for me and DUI'ing, I'll say this...if I were high and driving around LA - with some of the worst, most self-absorbed folks to ever hit the road (myself not included, of course!) - it would only serve as a buzzkill :P

Drowned Out

pandora wrote:

Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.

Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.

It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.

Was there MJ involved in the incident you're referencing? If not, why are you bringing it up? You have stated several times on this board that you support MJ reforms (but no reforms for the 'killer' drugs, as you like to call them)....so why are you now playing devils advocate? because of an (assumedly) unrelated incident?

I've said it here many times....for the overwhelming majority of smokers, the impairment level after smoking is less than someone who blows a .08% blood alcohol. Maybe there is the odd person who are more impaired by MJ, but lets be real here: MJ does not result in careless decisions in the same way alcohol does. A person who is stoned to the level of physical impairment will likely be freaked the f out at the thought of driving a car....while a drunk person is more likely to say 'I'm fine to drive'. There are many, many things that distract/impair drivers more than marijuana; they reside in legal grey areas ie - only enforceable under 'distracted driving' or impaired driving laws (w/o the benefit of roadside tests).

Besides....unless you can prove that there will be a large increase in the number of people smoking because of reforms (precedents set in other countries show there would not), it would have no effect on the number of people driving impaired. The smokers who think it's ok to drive stoned are already doing so. Legalization wouldn't cause someone to decide to start driving stoned.

I'm not condoning driving while stoned, but it is largely a strawman argument against reforms.

pandora

As I'm living my life I'm touched by events and people, I am not alone....
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.

My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.

I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.

My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability
for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.

The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.

This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.

mikepegg44

pandora wrote:

As I'm living my life I'm touched by events and people, I am not alone....
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.

My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.

I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.

My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability
for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.

The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.

This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.

people die in accidents and they are definitely tragedies.

What about the thousands of people who die in other countries and our own simply because these drugs are illegal? Who is more important to you?

...social conservatism is simply a much different form of progressive behavior, and the reason why conservatives always sound like hypocrites

keeponrockin

Make drinking and driving/smoking and driving a mandatory minimum of 5 years with no license at which point you start over with your learners permit. I don't know why we're not doing this already.

g under p

keeponrockin wrote:

Make drinking and driving/smoking and driving a mandatory minimum of 5 years with no license at which point you start over with your learners permit. I don't know why we're not doing this already.

I like that idea but instead of 5 years make it 2. Five years is a long, long time but either way that would/should get people's attention.

Peace

g under p

Drowned Out wrote:

pandora wrote:

Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.

Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.

It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.

I've said it here many times....for the overwhelming majority of smokers, the impairment level after smoking is less than someone who blows a .08% blood alcohol. Maybe there is the odd person who are more impaired by MJ, but lets be real here: MJ does not result in careless decisions in the same way alcohol does. A person who is stoned to the level of physical impairment will likely be freaked the f out at the thought of driving a car....while a drunk person is more likely to say 'I'm fine to drive'. There are many, many things that distract/impair drivers more than marijuana; they reside in legal grey areas ie - only enforceable under 'distracted driving' or impaired driving laws (w/o the benefit of roadside tests).

Besides....unless you can prove that there will be a large increase in the number of people smoking because of reforms (precedents set in other countries show there would not), it would have no effect on the number of people driving impaired. The smokers who think it's ok to drive stoned are already doing so. Legalization wouldn't cause someone to decide to start driving stoned.

I'm not condoning driving while stoned, but it is largely a strawman argument against reforms.

I agree, If nothing else smoking MJ and driving appears to make one paranoid of EVERYTHING. Therefore making some not want to get behind the wheel.

Everytime down here in South Florida I see a driver, driving 20 miles or more BELOW the speed limit I yell (not at them) WHAT, ARE YOU HIGH!

Peace