legalize drugs ?????

lukin2006

Another thing is that all drugs at the very least should be decriminalized...even meth...it is absurd to charge people with a criminal offense for using and then weigh them down for years with a criminal record which limits their opportunity and then further leads them into a path of crime.

peacefrompaul

lukin2006 wrote:

Another thing is that all drugs at the very least should be decriminalized...even meth...it is absurd to charge people with a criminal offense for using and then weigh them down for years with a criminal record which limits their opportunity and then further leads them into a path of crime.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

you speak of vices that affects one's health ... vices that are often enjoyed in a reasonable
even sensible way... vices that take decades near to a lifetime to cause death

we are talking killer drugs extremely addictive ...
drugs that take months to kill and are killing our CHILDREN! Destroying our FAMILIES!

can we use some common sense please and not compare vices to addiction

you don't get it.

and thanks for the derogatory comment about me not using common sense. you spew nonsense about no one respecting you? you whine to people for saying much less to you than you said to me above. keep your condescending shit out of this for once.

and smoking is sensible??? really?

a smoker (or a member of their family!) can die of lung cancer in the same amount of time as an addict succumbing to cocain addiction. FACT. Same with obesity.

the point is who decides what the government can tell us to or not to injest? it's a slippery slope. you are putting emotion into this, which is exactly what lawmakers can't do. and just as everyone else has said, the war on drugs isn't working. the emphasis shouldn't be on punishment, but on rehabilitation. the world would be a much better place if that were the case.


naw, you just want to toss all the "bad people" in jail. but if you keep it criminal, then the user is just as guilty as the pusher. you can't have it both ways.

pandora

I did say ...
remove users from prisons ... they do not belong there...
they belong in treatment centers

it is those who make, traffic and the push to our children that are parasites to society
they belong locked up

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

you speak of vices that affects one's health ... vices that are often enjoyed in a reasonable
even sensible way... vices that take decades near to a lifetime to cause death

we are talking killer drugs extremely addictive ...
drugs that take months to kill and are killing our CHILDREN! Destroying our FAMILIES!

can we use some common sense please and not compare vices to addiction

you don't get it.

and thanks for the derogatory comment about me not using common sense. you spew nonsense about no one respecting you? you whine to people for saying much less to you than you said to me above. keep your condescending shit out of this for once.

and smoking is sensible??? really?

a smoker (or a member of their family!) can die of lung cancer in the same amount of time as an addict succumbing to cocain addiction. FACT. Same with obesity.

the point is who decides what the government can tell us to or not to injest? it's a slippery slope. you are putting emotion into this, which is exactly what lawmakers can't do. and just as everyone else has said, the war on drugs isn't working. the emphasis shouldn't be on punishment, but on rehabilitation. the world would be a much better place if that were the case.


naw, you just want to toss all the "bad people" in jail. but if you keep it criminal, then the user is just as guilty as the pusher. you can't have it both ways.

You know I was speaking of CRYSTAL METH not cocaine correct?

and please tell me how long it takes to die from a cocaine addiction?

It is an emotional subject when children are losing their lives sorry... THAT MATTERS!
and effects EVERYTHING!

Punishment is reserved for the people profiting on the loss of life
this is what I have been saying repeatedly and laws can be passed to protect
the victims of these parasites and tougher laws to help remove pushers from our society....
not embrace them.

And it is not good common sense to lump cigarettes, alcohol, pot, food, in the same
category as CRYSTAL METH if you can't see that I think you have not had any experience
with the later.

redrock

One doesn't need to be addicted to cocaine to die from it. It can kill the first time one uses it. It can be a quick death too - the symptoms of an OD don't give that much chance to get to a hospital to get treatment.
I'm not too sure why there is this focus on crystal meth as this debate is about all drugs or shall I say illegal substances - whatever they may be.

pandora

In my opinion one can't really agree to legalize all drugs
without looking at the effects of individual drugs and their associated dangers,
the health consequences, the addiction and fatality rate.... etc

It would be irresponsible to do so ...

like voting for a President that you had no idea of their policies,
agenda, past record or future plans.

It is not only being informed of exactly what you are saying yes to
but also understanding the victims role in your choice.

Saying yes to POT is not at all the same as saying yes to killer drugs

brianlux

pandora wrote:

Saying yes to POT is not at all the same as saying yes to killer drugs

Killer drugs like alcohol and prescription drugs? Those are what have killed my friends.

People are going to use drugs, legal or not. It's time to stop filling prisons with people who do things to themselves.

pandora

brianlux wrote:

pandora wrote:

Saying yes to POT is not at all the same as saying yes to killer drugs

Killer drugs like alcohol and prescription drugs? Those are what have killed my friends.

People are going to use drugs, legal or not. It's time to stop filling prisons with people who do things to themselves.

Again ... users out of prison

pushers, those who traffic and cook meth ... in to stay for life

inform yourself about the killer drug ... please

brianlux

pandora wrote:

inform yourself about the killer drug ... please

Done.

pandora

you have no idea what that means to me ... thank you

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm for the legalization of marijuana. In my humble opinion, the effects of the drug are much less harmful than alcohol (physical and mental). I haven't read every page of this thread- and this post might be out of place- but I hope people aren't suggesting legalizing all drugs?

You need to be careful with what you ask for. The drugs such as meth, cocaine, heroin, etc. have serious potential to do much harm to society. People dependent on these drugs become unhealthy, unproductive, and desperate. It is responsible government to make these drugs illegal and carry consequences for activities related to them. Smoking grass is quite a bit different that shooting smack or smoking rock.

As we can all testify to. the youth sector is stupid and self-destructive. I was a stupid youth (still am sometimes) and struggled with my bouts of self-inflicted pain naturally associated with my 'indulgences'. Many who were alongside me in my youthful days of self-indulgence never overcame their needs and now sadly, to quote Soundgarden, they wallow in their obscenity.

Publically condoning drug use through legalization may carry grave consequences. The stigma attached to using illegal drugs is likely stopping many young people from overly pursuing the use of them. It's my opinion that mature adults are not near as likely to start a destructive habit as our 'invincible', exploratory, discovering, adventurous, youth sector is. For their sake, and even though it fails many, I think we need to send the right message.

peacefrompaul

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I'm for the legalization of marijuana. In my humble opinion, the effects of the drug are much less harmful than alcohol (physical and mental). I haven't read every page of this thread- and this post might be out of place- but I hope people aren't suggesting legalizing all drugs?

You need to be careful with what you ask for. The drugs such as meth, cocaine, heroin, etc. have serious potential to do much harm to society. People dependent on these drugs become unhealthy, unproductive, and desperate. It is responsible government to make these drugs illegal and carry consequences for activities related to them. Smoking grass is quite a bit different that shooting smack or smoking rock.

As we can all testify to. the youth sector is stupid and self-destructive. I was a stupid youth (still am sometimes) and struggled with my bouts of self-inflicted pain naturally associated with my 'indulgences'. Many who were alongside me in my youthful days of self-indulgence never overcame their needs and now sadly, to quote Soundgarden, they wallow in their obscenity.

Publically condoning drug use through legalization may carry grave consequences. The stigma attached to using illegal drugs is likely stopping many young people from overly pursuing the use of them. It's my opinion that mature adults are not near as likely to start a destructive habit as our 'invincible', exploratory, discovering, adventurous, youth sector is. For their sake, and even though it fails many, I think we need to send the right message.

I was an idiot in high school and still do some substances that can be harmful to the body. I smoke cigarettes daily and drink occasionally as many college students do. I've dabbled in psychedelics: Mushrooms and LSD. I've smoked Marijuana many times. Yet not once have I considered doing cocaine, heroine, or even meth. I've seen the effects, they teach us the effects of them in school. They SHOW us the effects in school through videos. We know how they effected Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Andy Wood, Jim Morrison and others. Legalizing these things can take away the "cool" appeal of doing them to young kids. I've stated earlier that I know three people who were addicted to Meth. I just found out that another couple of kids I went to school with are now using Cocaine. I still don't want to do them because I know what they do. I've seen people I called friends on them. They are still doing these substances even though they are illegal. Even though I wish they wouldn't I know that they made the choice and they had/have to live with it. It's their body and they decided to fill it with harmful chemicals.

redrock

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I haven't read every page of this thread- and this post might be out of place- but I hope people aren't suggesting legalizing all drugs?

For the sake of debating, you might want to go through the thread. Sifting through the pathos, repetitiveness and going around in circles you will find some posts that try to 'explain' the reasoning behind legalising/decriminalising drugs, what it really means and how it has worked in countries where this is happening.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Publically condoning drug use through legalization...

Again, some posts have mentioned that accepting legalisation/decriminalisation is not condoning the use of the drugs. For example, one can accept abortion being legal (avoiding all kinds of issues from back street abortions, women's health, etc.) but do not morally condone this. One can see that same sex marriage should be legal whilst still not condoning it.

Yes, youth is tempestuous, self-indulgent, reckless, etc. (well.. some youth - not all) but that has always been. I personally don't think there is a stigma attached to drugs, on the contrary - if there was, less young people would be tempted by them (it's cool to smoke, it's cool to take ecstasy, crystal meth - since it would seem it's an issue with some in this thread - may be cool because you can easily lose weight and you feel good....), coke keeps you going, etc..). Why do people turn to illegal substances? Education and resources put into the root of the drug problem is what is needed.

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/15/opinion/bennett-whitney-drugs/index.html?hpt=ju_t2

RIGHT !!!!

Godfather.

Godfather, as your trusted Consigliere all I can tell you is that there's a lot of money in that white shit.
If it is legalized we lose a lot from our income.

this drug stuff is dirty business and tell everybody in the family to stay away from it,....how much is "A LOT"?


Godfather.

brianlux

redrock wrote:

Again, some posts have mentioned that accepting legalisation/decriminalisation is not condoning the use of the drugs. For example, one can accept abortion being legal (avoiding all kinds of issues from back street abortions, women's health, etc.) but do not morally condone this. One can see that same sex marriage should be legal whilst still not condoning it.

Yes, youth is tempestuous, self-indulgent, reckless, etc. (well.. some youth - not all) but that has always been. I personally don't think there is a stigma attached to drugs, on the contrary - if there was, less young people would be tempted by them (it's cool to smoke, it's cool to take ecstasy, crystal meth - since it would seem it's an issue with some in this thread - may be cool because you can easily lose weight and you feel good....), coke keeps you going, etc..). Why do people turn to illegal substances? Education and resources put into the root of the drug problem is what is needed.

Well said, redrock. Very sound thinking.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

brianlux wrote:

pandora wrote:

Saying yes to POT is not at all the same as saying yes to killer drugs

Killer drugs like alcohol and prescription drugs? Those are what have killed my friends.

People are going to use drugs, legal or not. It's time to stop filling prisons with people who do things to themselves.

Again ... users out of prison

pushers, those who traffic and cook meth ... in to stay for life

inform yourself about the killer drug ... please

come off it already. we all know what crystal meth does. but putting all the pushers in jail and leaving the users out is just perpetuating the same flawed system we have now. how about trying to fix it, instead of using your usual utopian "if we love them, they will succeed" mantra? it hasn't worked so far, why would it work now?

so in your opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to leave alcohol and cigarettes legal because they are "fun" and don't cause death immediately? how many people drive all methed up? people drive drunk all the time, killing people, ending families, ruining lives, etc. and that's more prevalent than the crystal meth problem.

how can you possibly reconcile that? only because you have experienced some meth-related tragedy?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux wrote:

redrock wrote:

Again, some posts have mentioned that accepting legalisation/decriminalisation is not condoning the use of the drugs. For example, one can accept abortion being legal (avoiding all kinds of issues from back street abortions, women's health, etc.) but do not morally condone this. One can see that same sex marriage should be legal whilst still not condoning it.

Yes, youth is tempestuous, self-indulgent, reckless, etc. (well.. some youth - not all) but that has always been. I personally don't think there is a stigma attached to drugs, on the contrary - if there was, less young people would be tempted by them (it's cool to smoke, it's cool to take ecstasy, crystal meth - since it would seem it's an issue with some in this thread - may be cool because you can easily lose weight and you feel good....), coke keeps you going, etc..). Why do people turn to illegal substances? Education and resources put into the root of the drug problem is what is needed.

Well said, redrock. Very sound thinking.

Not really. The overwhelming majority of youth feel much more comfortable having beers than doing drugs. It's very commonplace across all demographic sectors to witness and hear of our youth sector indulging in alcohol- despite being underage... given alcohol's place in society (prominent beer ads, parents consuming, pubs and bars on every street corner, etc.).

Drugs do have a stigma attached to them for many kids. Many do them regardless, but drug usage is not as prevalent as alcohol because of the fact that they are 'illegal and dangerous' (the stigma).

Redrock is correct that with education, drugs are much less of a problem. If drugs are legalized however, they are condoned and accepted. You can't have it both ways (legalized... but hey, they're still inappropriate, okay?). The messages become diluted and kids who might normally have abstained from doing drugs for the aforementioned reasons will lose their cautious attitude towards them.

I'm not sure this can realistically be argued.

redrock

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

.....but drug usage is not as prevalent as alcohol because of the fact that they are 'illegal and dangerous' (the stigma).

I would say not because of any 'stigma' but most probably because of cost and availability. Here, I can find a 2l bottle of cider for less than the equivalent of $2 - kids can get pretty messed up cheaply. Couldn't really get any drugs at that price! What about the 'trendy' parties where one can have a line or two of coke readily spread out.... 'Cool' factor - no stigma - just need a bit more money for that 'cool'.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

If drugs are legalized however, they are condoned and accepted. You can't have it both ways (legalized... but hey, they're still inappropriate, okay?). The messages become diluted and kids who might normally have abstained from doing drugs for the aforementioned reasons will lose their cautious attitude towards them.

Cigarettes are legal but inappropriate and, more and more, not condoned/accepted. There is a whole new generation out there that do not smoke because they have been educated about the dangers of smoking and the 'looking cool smoking' thing just doesn't work for them. That same generation is not interested in drugs for the same reason.

It's all about education. At home, at school.

Decriminalisation of drugs doesn't mean that you will be able to buy them with your weekly supermarket shop or just pop in the corner shop and get your crack. It doesn't mean no one will be punished for trafficking, etc. It means that resources will be used to tackle the root of the problem for users (mental issues, environmental ones, peer pressure, etc.), help those that need to be helped and, hopefully, reduce 'petty' (not so petty really but just to differentiate) crimes associated with drugs enabling the focus on serious crimes (eg trafficking, etc.).

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

Again ... users out of prison

pushers, those who traffic and cook meth ... in to stay for life

inform yourself about the killer drug ... please

come off it already. we all know what crystal meth does. but putting all the pushers in jail and leaving the users out is just perpetuating the same flawed system we have now. how about trying to fix it, instead of using your usual utopian "if we love them, they will succeed" mantra? it hasn't worked so far, why would it work now?

so in your opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to leave alcohol and cigarettes legal because they are "fun" and don't cause death immediately? how many people drive all methed up? people drive drunk all the time, killing people, ending families, ruining lives, etc. and that's more prevalent than the crystal meth problem.

how can you possibly reconcile that? only because you have experienced some meth-related tragedy?

Alcohol and cigs can be used responsibly and never effect ones health over an entire lifetime.

CRYSTAL METH can not!
If you think you know all about it you are disregarding this very necessary fact.

It kills within months of use it is highly addictive needing more more more

this you do though your teeth are rotting falling from your mouth... intense pain
your skin is being burned ravaged into sores.
If you want to compare a vice like cigs and booze to that and to the fact that
they can and are used responsibility to a killer drug like meth
well it is you who doesn't get it.

Yes people drive on meth :wtf:

And how would locking up parasites on society ... on our children ever be flawed :?

Have you experienced a meth related tragedy? Can you even extend understanding of that?