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ed243421

It’s Tom’s last season!

Poncier

ed243421 said:

Ok, so mahomes won’t win a sb?

After Andy Reid leaves he might

Glorified KC

I'll go on record saying Patrick Mahomes will win a Superb Owl with Andy Reid as the HC.

CROJAM95

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

Glorified KC

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

I think what's an interesting conversion is: "Does the coaching staff constantly change because the QB isn't good enough and gets the OC and/or HC fired?  Or is the organization not getting the coaching staff right to maximize the QB's ability?"  Matt Ryan seems to be an interesting case study for that discussion.

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cdthomas1981 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cdthomas1981 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cdthomas1981 said:

Top 10 QBs by the eye test:

Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Jackson, Wilson, Brees, Watson, Ryan, Rivers, Trubisky(jk), then probably Stafford

The few games for Atl that I watched this year Ryan looked awful. 

Normally I put him on that list, though, agree with you

I would still take Ryan over Carr, Jimmy G (no offense), Goff, Prescott, Wentz (surprisingly I expected him to be much better this year), Cousins, Trubisky (I should stop picking on this guy)

I think MattRyan is a fraud too.  Either that or head coaching is ruining QB's.  I personally believe that Rex Ryan ruined Mark Sanchez.

You can show this until the cows but here was a whole lot leading up to this and he was a shell of his former self by this point.

Sanchez was a good QB a few years before this then the Jets started messing w their heads w the "I don't know whom the starting QB is crap..."

It was amazing to see this downfall of a player.  How bad the Jets messed things up.  It was almost like watching the Mets or Browns.

I kid.  I kid.  If I'm reading your point correctly, @tempo_n_groove, I agree there is something to coaching being critical in the early stages of a QB's career.  I shutter to think what if Patrick Mahomes was coached by the likes of a Rex Ryan.  Thank goodness for Andy Reid.

Exactly.  I believe that Harbaugh had a hand in making Kaepernick palatable.

Kubiack in Minnesota?

DewieCox

ed243421 said:

Ok, so mahomes won’t win a sb?

Right now, with the way this season has gone, at best it’s a push. 

Poncier

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

If a 9th year veteran, former NFL MVP QB can't call an audible by proclamation of a 2nd year OC, then there's a real problem somewhere there.
And I wasn't referring to the sack where Hightower stripped the ball, Ryan had no chance there, that was Freeman's fault for sure. I'm talking the sack 2 plays after the Jones catch late when it was 28-20 and Falcons were at the 23, Ryan had ample opportunity to throw that ball away, held it, took a 12 yard sack putting them on the edge of FG range rather than in chip shot territory, and that changes your play call on 3rd down and you get the holding call and now you're out of FG range.
I said Ryan gets a sliver of blame pie, not a huge slice.
Breakdown is about:
Shanahan 70%
Quinn 10% for not overruling Shanahan and working the clock late
Ryan 10% for the failures I mentioned
Arthur Blank and the red dressed wife 10% for coming out of the box to the sidelines and celebrating prematurely thus jinxing the team

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

I think what's an interesting conversion is: "Does the coaching staff constantly change because the QB isn't good enough and gets the OC and/or HC fired?  Or is the organization not getting the coaching staff right to maximize the QB's ability?"  Matt Ryan seems to be an interesting case study for that discussion.

RG3 comes to mind...

He was great.  Got two coaches fired.  Got hurt.  Got run out of the league after his talent didn't go any further.

Should have listened to them coaches...

Glorified KC

tempo_n_groove said:

cdthomas1981 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

I think what's an interesting conversion is: "Does the coaching staff constantly change because the QB isn't good enough and gets the OC and/or HC fired?  Or is the organization not getting the coaching staff right to maximize the QB's ability?"  Matt Ryan seems to be an interesting case study for that discussion.

RG3 comes to mind...

He was great.  Got two coaches fired.  Got hurt.  Got run out of the league after his talent didn't go any further.

Should have listened to them coaches...

The coaches shouldn't have put him back on the field with his knee in the condition it was in.  I worry about this happening to Mahomes after dislocating his right knee cap and playing with a brace.  It's a hell of a thing to toss around in your mind.  QB or coach more at fault.

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cdthomas1981 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

I think what's an interesting conversion is: "Does the coaching staff constantly change because the QB isn't good enough and gets the OC and/or HC fired?  Or is the organization not getting the coaching staff right to maximize the QB's ability?"  Matt Ryan seems to be an interesting case study for that discussion.

RG3 comes to mind...

He was great.  Got two coaches fired.  Got hurt.  Got run out of the league after his talent didn't go any further.

Should have listened to them coaches...

The coaches shouldn't have put him back on the field with his knee in the condition it was in.  I worry about this happening to Mahomes after dislocating his right knee cap and playing with a brace.  It's a hell of a thing to toss around in your mind.  QB or coach more at fault.

Shanahan never wanted him.  Was forced t play him.  Can't place everything on the coach there.

I know the Redskins suck as an organization but RG3 was gone shortly after Gruden got there because he still didn't work out.

CROJAM95

cdthomas1981 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

I think what's an interesting conversion is: "Does the coaching staff constantly change because the QB isn't good enough and gets the OC and/or HC fired?  Or is the organization not getting the coaching staff right to maximize the QB's ability?"  Matt Ryan seems to be an interesting case study for that discussion.

Really?

look at ATL football before Ryan, vs after he got there

2 NFC championship game appearances, 1 SB lose in 40 years

Ryan Matched that and is still playing

So I guess Dan Marino is < Eli Manning listening to some of this logic

Atlanta is a shitty sports town.... I think it’s pretty impressive what he’s done there..... you of all people should know, Mahomes ain’t winning shit ... D can’t stop a nose bleed. 

Dan Quinn hasn’t delivered on his defensive expertise... you can’t win having just offense.

Glorified KC

CROJAM95 said:

cdthomas1981 said:

CROJAM95 said:

Poncier said:

CROJAM95 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I like Ryan, he just looked off in the games I watched.  (Very much so)

Julio & Ryan deserve another crack at SB... wasn’t their fault they lost that game 

Julio I agree, but Ryan deserves a sliver of blame pie. Biggest hunk goes to Shanahan for sure, but Ryan could/should have audibled to a run at least once, maybe a couple times late and could/should have thrown the ball away rather than taking that key sack late that took them out of FG range.

he won that game....if you listen to Packers HC Lafleur, who was ATL QB Coach that year, Shanahan didn't give too much leeway for audibles, Devonta Freeman Missed a huge block that caused the fumble.....if he farted on Hightower that would have prevented the sack

Look at his QB rating for that game, one of the highest ever....yes Shanahan helped, but hes had great years without him

Fraud is funny.....Guy also plays for shitty offensive Line ( Give him Cowboys Offensive Line) also never ever ever in his entire career have they fielded a top ten Defense.....and he won an MVP, Played well in the 2012 or 2013 NFC title game that the 49ers also came back due to his shitty HC Smith.

Problem with Matt Ryan is he plays in ATL.....Fans don't care there, national audience barely knows they exist

I think what's an interesting conversion is: "Does the coaching staff constantly change because the QB isn't good enough and gets the OC and/or HC fired?  Or is the organization not getting the coaching staff right to maximize the QB's ability?"  Matt Ryan seems to be an interesting case study for that discussion.

Really?

look at ATL football before Ryan, vs after he got there

2 NFC championship game appearances, 1 SB lose in 40 years

Ryan Matched that and is still playing

So I guess Dan Marino is < Eli Manning listening to some of this logic

Atlanta is a shitty sports town.... I think it’s pretty impressive what he’s done there..... you of all people should know, Mahomes ain’t winning shit ... D can’t stop a nose bleed. 

Dan Quinn hasn’t delivered on his defensive expertise... you can’t win having just offense.

I'm not taking a side on either for Matt Ryan.  Mind you, I'm still holding the guy in high regard.  He did have his best season under Kyle Shannahan as OC, but that may have been Ryan making KS look good. 

I'm not sure how I insinuated that because of the logic you think I threw out there that I'm saying Dan Marino, or another QB of similar standing is worse than an "Eli Manning."

Mahomes will win shit, because he's that good.  Dude can carry a team like few other can.  If the D doesn't get better, he'll still back into one like Manning did in the mid-2000's by the team catching lightning in a bottle in late December through the playoffs.  If KC doesn't win it this year, they still have several more shots at it.

tbergs

What's up with this weird Kaepernick work out the NFL is pushing on Saturday?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28074313/colin-kaepernick-know-attend-workout-ahead

F Me In The Brain

The NFL is a wired bunch of old, white, men.
This is a traveshamockery

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

What's up with this weird Kaepernick work out the NFL is pushing on Saturday?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28074313/colin-kaepernick-know-attend-workout-ahead

Makes no sense whatsoever...

Wobbie

just realized a good thing, if I am correct.....stabby lewis seems to be no longer employed by any of the networks.

F Me In The Brain

Damn the Browns are the best team in the league.

At helmet to helmet hits 

Indifference71

F Me In The Brain said:

Damn the Browns are the best team in the league.

At helmet to helmet hits 

That was such a brutal and unnecessary hit....he deserved to get ejected.  Browns are so sloppy.  Not surprising with that coach.

F Me In The Brain

Yeah, I like how the player was upset.
Dude, that was exactly what they wrote the rule to stop.  F off and enjoy the locker room!