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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    It’s a very Texans thing to do too.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    DewieCox said:
    It’s a very Texans thing to do too.
    How can both of these be true? Unless you're saying that should have waived him,  which would be crazy.
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Posts: 9,897
    Every Browns fan in the world deleting their twitter history about Big Ben right now. 
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Every Browns fan in the world deleting their twitter history about Big Ben right now. 
    What do I do about Kobe tweets?
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    edited March 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    Yes , I think it is horrendous.
    Most guaranteed money, ever, to a guy in this position?

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,921
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
      They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 
     
    Not likely.
    Mayfield is an 18 Mil cap hit if they cut him, so teams know they have to trade him, they'll be fortunate to get one middle round pick for him. 3rd at best. I predict a 4th.
    Plus Baker already said "Colts please". The Colts were stupid last year with the Wentz acquisition. doubt they will be again (well there is the Irsay factor so maybe Cleveland has a shot).
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    It’s a very Texans thing to do too.
    How can both of these be true? Unless you're saying that should have waived him,  which would be crazy.
    I mean, he’s shown MVP type talent. tanking his value and undermining any interest he had to play there wasn’t a great move. They’ve managed to waste quite a bit of potential over the last decade with the way they’ve been ran. On the other hand, would t be shocked if Watson tanks in Cleveland. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
      They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 
     
    Not likely.
    Mayfield is an 18 Mil cap hit if they cut him, so teams know they have to trade him, they'll be fortunate to get one middle round pick for him. 3rd at best. I predict a 4th.
    Plus Baker already said "Colts please". The Colts were stupid last year with the Wentz acquisition. doubt they will be again (well there is the Irsay factor so maybe Cleveland has a shot).
    Interesting.  I'm thinking a 3 and a 4.  Yes it's 18MM, but it's one year and that's not a lot for a starting QB. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    Yes , I think it is horrendous.
    Most guaranteed money, ever, to a guy in this position?

    He's 26 and his numbers have been outstanding.  The Browns are absolutely a QB away.  Put aside his personal issues, and it's a no brainer to me.  He's off the hook criminally and Haslam chairs the discipline committee, so he knows exactly what is likely (or unlikely) regarding the civil side and how the NFL will deal with it.  
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    Mayfield is not good.  
    Even Jimmy is better....and Jimmy is a great teammate.   

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,921
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
      They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 
     
    Not likely.
    Mayfield is an 18 Mil cap hit if they cut him, so teams know they have to trade him, they'll be fortunate to get one middle round pick for him. 3rd at best. I predict a 4th.
    Plus Baker already said "Colts please". The Colts were stupid last year with the Wentz acquisition. doubt they will be again (well there is the Irsay factor so maybe Cleveland has a shot).
    Interesting.  I'm thinking a 3 and a 4.  Yes it's 18MM, but it's one year and that's not a lot for a starting QB. 
    The salary for the team acquiring him is palatable, it's the fact that Cleveland has to get him off the books, and can't cut him or that 18 Mil stays on their cap, so they have zero leverage in trade negotiations unless a number of teams come knocking thinking Mayfield is their future. Coming off 3 underwhelming seasons and shoulder surgery, doubt that will be the case.
    He's going to be in a "prove it" season, nobody giving up big return for that.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,173
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    mrussel1 said:
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 
    All of these complaints filed don't cause any concern?

    Not for the Browns.  Largest guarantee  ever.  

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    I knew Wobby preferred drafts over women but not Tung.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 
    All of these complaints filed don't cause any concern?

    Not for the Browns.  Largest guarantee  ever.  

    Pretty sure they have some lawyers and investigators to do a touch of research on the risk. 
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Being concerned legally and being concerned morally are two very different things.
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    Would it be that surprising if Haslem was just winging it and didn't have lawyers and researchers?
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    Browns gonna Brown.  Browns fans can try to justify or rationalize....and I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve a job...but this kind of move is beyond anything I could even fathom.   It bears typing a third time after they leveraged the future of the franchise on this bad bet.
    The largest guaranteed contract in the history of the league for a dude who stands accused of an awful pattern of behavior.

    Browns.

    Yay.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Being concerned legally and being concerned morally are two very different things.
    Or just with common sense that a guy who might just be a total fucking scumbag could repeat this type of behavior and still guaranteed this contract.

    MayDay10 said:
    Would it be that surprising if Haslem was just winging it and didn't have lawyers and researchers?
    Not to some of us.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Damn, RIP John Clayton
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Browns gonna Brown.  Browns fans can try to justify or rationalize....and I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve a job...but this kind of move is beyond anything I could even fathom.   It bears typing a third time after they leveraged the future of the franchise on this bad bet.
    The largest guaranteed contract in the history of the league for a dude who stands accused of an awful pattern of behavior.

    Browns.

    Yay.
    If they make a super bowl, is it worth it?  What if they win it?
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,870
    Watson Deal $80m more IN guaranteed $ than the 2nd largest guaranteed contract in league history 

    with 22 civil cases hanging over his head

    Leave it to Cleveland to be the ones the sogn
    off on it plus all the picks given up

    hes really that good, def makes Cleveland a contender… but a little desperate 

    AFC qbs stacked … kind of feel bad for Koe Burrow, teams that don’t win the super bowl usually struggle years after, now all this
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    edited March 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  

    think haslam was given assuraneces he will be eligible with no suspension over these civil suits?
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    mrussel1 said:
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 

    he could have testified
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Browns gonna Brown.  Browns fans can try to justify or rationalize....and I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve a job...but this kind of move is beyond anything I could even fathom.   It bears typing a third time after they leveraged the future of the franchise on this bad bet.
    The largest guaranteed contract in the history of the league for a dude who stands accused of an awful pattern of behavior.

    Browns.

    Yay.
    If they make a super bowl, is it worth it?  What if they win it?
    Making a SB is not a big deal.  2nd place = who cares.
    Winning one is.  
    Up to Browns fans, I guess.
    Clearly I hate the deal.  Your choice to like, if you do.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,921
    DewieCox said:
    Damn, RIP John Clayton
    Damn that sucks. RIP
    Loved his commercial where he unleashes his hair and lives in his mom's basement.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    CROJAM95 said:
    Watson Deal $80m more IN guaranteed $ than the 2nd largest guaranteed contract in league history 

    with 22 civil cases hanging over his head

    Leave it to Cleveland to be the ones the sogn
    off on it plus all the picks given up

    hes really that good, def makes Cleveland a contender… but a little desperate 

    AFC qbs stacked … kind of feel bad for Koe Burrow, teams that don’t win the super bowl usually struggle years after, now all this

    Burrow, sacked the most last yr , still AFC champ,  SB appearance in yr 2 but really yr one due to injury rookie yr. has the goods. mike brown no longer has his hands on the team, which in my opinion is what held them down so long.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,173
    Poncier said:
    DewieCox said:
    Damn, RIP John Clayton
    Damn that sucks. RIP
    Loved his commercial where he unleashes his hair and lives in his mom's basement.
    with the Slayer poster!
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,173
    or Slayer shirt, I guess.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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