Self-examination can be a good thing. I hope this discussion continues in a civilized way and produces a good result with that in mind....the meeting of the minds.
I wish each and every one of you could be seated in one room so you could see each other and then discuss what's on your minds. It would be good to think of A Moving Train as that room in reality. The computer or device you post from is only a means of delivering the communication of thoughts that mean something to you. There's a living, breathing human being behind each posted message.
I'm pretty sure about that last thing. As far as the OP goes...this place is nothing if not opinions. That's my opinion.
Take good care of each other please...and have a lovely evening, day, morning, whichever applies to your time zone. My very best to you all.
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Self-examination can be a good thing. I hope this discussion continues in a civilized way and produces a good result with that in mind....the meeting of the minds.
I wish each and every one of you could be seated in one room so you could see each other and then discuss what's on your minds. It would be good to think of A Moving Train as that room in reality. The computer or device you post from is only a means of delivering the communication of thoughts that mean something to you. There's a living, breathing human being behind each posted message.
I'm pretty sure about that last thing. As far as the OP goes...this place is nothing if not opinions. That's my opinion.
Take good care of each other please...and have a lovely evening, day, morning, whichever applies to your time zone. My very best to you all.
x
Great idea all of us getting together... And thank you Kat for offering to fly us all to pj headquarters?
Yeah! Let's do it!
"Take good care of each other please...and have a lovely evening, day, morning, whichever applies to your time zone." A wonderful idea... every day.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I dig Pearl Jam and I think that the death penalty should exist. It's an opinion for pete's sake. Sometimes I wonder if some people can take a joke, while they ride around on their high horses. When everything has been discussed for years and years, I think you can fill in the rest about a dead horse.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
but to think because we all listen to pearl jam we all share the same opinions, awareness and/or desire to become aware is in my view shortsighted. and even perhaps a little naive.
I agree completely, much the same as I'm sure not everyone who listens to Britney Spears or Bieber is a complete moron.
my 12 year old daughter listens to bieber and shes not even part moron.
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I dig Pearl Jam and I think that the death penalty should exist. It's an opinion for pete's sake. Sometimes I wonder if some people can take a joke, while they ride around on their high horses. When everything has been discussed for years and years, I think you can fill in the rest about a dead horse.
There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.
For someone to say they love the death penalty, they need to be fucking sick in the head. It's a pity that you fail to see that.
Anyway, that was just one example. I could also have mentioned people coming on here calling for Muslims to be bombed - "bomb the motherfuckers, and then again, and again, and again" - or people coming on here saying how gays makes them sick, or how Palestinians are nomadic terrorists.
This kind of twisted, racist swill just doesn't sit right with me in relation to a band whose views are diametrically opposed to this bullshit.
Anyway, that was just one example. I could also have mentioned people coming on here calling for Muslims to be bombed - "bomb the motherfuckers, and then again, and again, and again" - or people coming on here saying how gays makes them sick, or how Palestinians are nomadic terrorists.
Have you never visited the United States of America? That kind of stuff sure dosen't shock me.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
"Actually we are a vulgar, pushing mob whose passions are easily mobilized by demagogues, newspaper men, religious quacks, agitators and such like. To call this a society of free peoples is blasphemous. What have we to offer the world besides the superabundant loot which we recklessly plunder from the earth under the maniacal delusion that this insane activity represents progress and enlightenment?"
--Henry Miller
There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.
I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..
"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."
That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.
There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.
I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..
"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."
That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.
We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.
Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.
Have you never visited the United States of America? That kind of stuff sure dosen't shock me.
Yeah, many times. I don't think I've ever heard any racist, or bigoted, homophobic views when I've been there though. Just some religious bullshit. Most Americans I've met have been pretty cool and open-minded.
We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.
Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.
that about covers it don't it ?
Godfather.
No, it doesn't cover it. The U.S legal system is inherently flawed, and racist, and the death penalty is sick and barbaric. You also execute innocent people, and the mentally ill.
It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.
There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.
I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..
"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."
That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.
Interesting that you copied and pasted that comment after I already deleted it and apologized for it.
It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.
unfortunately, I believe it is Christianity itself that encourages the notion of "an eye for an eye", did it not?
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We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.
Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.
that about covers it don't it ?
Godfather.
No, it doesn't cover it. The U.S legal system is inherently flawed, and racist, and the death penalty is sick and barbaric. You also execute innocent people, and the mentally ill.
It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.
really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.
really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.
Godfather.
there you go, attacking the person, and not the ideology. did you not read this post? it was the previous damn page!
Have you never visited the United States of America? That kind of stuff sure dosen't shock me.
Yeah, many times. I don't think I've ever heard any racist, or bigoted, homophobic views when I've been there though. Just some religious bullshit. Most Americans I've met have been pretty cool and open-minded.
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really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.
Godfather.
And what does any of this bullshit have to do with the death penalty, which is what was being discussed?
Are you just upset that I ignored your earlier personal attack on me? Was that personal attack prompted by the fact that I reminded everyone of your homophobic rant in a previous thread? Is that what made you spit your dummy out?
And the fact that I don't tolerate bullshit doesn't mean that I'm unhappy or filled with hate, as anyone who's ever met me will tell you. It just means that I don't tolerate bullshit and bullshitters, of whom there are plenty on this part of the message board. If people don't like being called out on what they post then they can simply stop posting bullshit. Life's too short for ignorance, racism, bigotry and homophobia, and I'll call people out on it everytime. And I don't care if you don't like it.
really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.
Godfather.
Though thanks for proving my original point in this thread.
seems to me, someone started a shit slinging contest themselves. Strokin' each other's egos. :roll:
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seems to me, someone started a shit slinging contest themselves. Strokin' each other's egos. :roll:
seems to me, you once said, and then defended saying, that Canada/Canadians suck, so I think this original post also applies.
that's got nothing to do with it. i never started a thread calling people out for voicing opinions, no matter how unsavory.
and yeah, when i wrote that, every canadian id ever met sucked. But that changed at PJ20....parties with some cool Canucks.
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i never started a thread calling people out for voicing opinions, no matter how unsavory.
My problem isn't just with people voicing racist, homophobic, bigoted, war-mongering opinions. If you read my OP again you'll see that I also have a problem with all the constant trolling and baiting going on here lately. I find it irritating, disappointing, and pretty pathetic. I think fans of this band can do better than this.
But never mind all that. Maybe you should just focus on me instead. It's always easier just to slag somebody off instead of responding to their views/posts.
I'm pretty sure there are many people who would lfeel much more comfortable if this place resembled Youtube's comments section. They way they wouldn't have to deal with such pesky things as honesty, respect, or facts. Spouting bullshit and attacking people is much easier.
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Maybe what this place needs is one or more of the following:
A mediator.
A time out for everyone.
New brake pads and a rearviewmirrow.
A party and everyone is invited and we're gonna have a good time.
i think the train went to shit the moment this became a closed forum to the public (ie Membership Required) ... i know you remember when that happened ... the number of folks logged in to AMT dropped by about 75% immediately following that.
Never recovered, imho.
:(
kinda sums up my feelings too. frankly, I don't post here as much as I used to (nowhere near like I did from '03 to about '07) because it seems like there's a much smaller audience and everyone who is still here already knows each other's opinions for the most part and we are all already set in our own opinions anyway. i also don't know if its worth getting into politics on any other board, or on facebook, or anywhere else, because so many people just seem set in their ways, almost like it's a condition of their genetics. but i keep polemicizing anyway, because... maybe 1 or 2 will change their mind? i really don't know why. good thing is, less time on AMT means I actually check to see what goes on at the Porch... actually, that's not a good thing, what am i saying? ... :P
There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.
I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..
"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."
That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.
Interesting that you copied and pasted that comment after I already deleted it and apologized for it.
Just went back and saw that after I saw this. I didn't see that before. Was just a quote that stuck with me and I found it, sorry.
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"Take good care of each other please...and have a lovely evening, day, morning, whichever applies to your time zone." A wonderful idea... every day.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
my 12 year old daughter listens to bieber and shes not even part moron.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.
For someone to say they love the death penalty, they need to be fucking sick in the head. It's a pity that you fail to see that.
Anyway, that was just one example. I could also have mentioned people coming on here calling for Muslims to be bombed - "bomb the motherfuckers, and then again, and again, and again" - or people coming on here saying how gays makes them sick, or how Palestinians are nomadic terrorists.
This kind of twisted, racist swill just doesn't sit right with me in relation to a band whose views are diametrically opposed to this bullshit.
Have you never visited the United States of America? That kind of stuff sure dosen't shock me.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
--Henry Miller
I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..
"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."
That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.
We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.
Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.
that about covers it don't it ?
Godfather.
Yeah, many times. I don't think I've ever heard any racist, or bigoted, homophobic views when I've been there though. Just some religious bullshit. Most Americans I've met have been pretty cool and open-minded.
No, it doesn't cover it. The U.S legal system is inherently flawed, and racist, and the death penalty is sick and barbaric. You also execute innocent people, and the mentally ill.
It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.
Interesting that you copied and pasted that comment after I already deleted it and apologized for it.
unfortunately, I believe it is Christianity itself that encourages the notion of "an eye for an eye", did it not?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.
Godfather.
there you go, attacking the person, and not the ideology. did you not read this post? it was the previous damn page!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
And what does any of this bullshit have to do with the death penalty, which is what was being discussed?
Are you just upset that I ignored your earlier personal attack on me? Was that personal attack prompted by the fact that I reminded everyone of your homophobic rant in a previous thread? Is that what made you spit your dummy out?
And the fact that I don't tolerate bullshit doesn't mean that I'm unhappy or filled with hate, as anyone who's ever met me will tell you. It just means that I don't tolerate bullshit and bullshitters, of whom there are plenty on this part of the message board. If people don't like being called out on what they post then they can simply stop posting bullshit. Life's too short for ignorance, racism, bigotry and homophobia, and I'll call people out on it everytime. And I don't care if you don't like it.
Though thanks for proving my original point in this thread.
seems to me, you once said, and then defended saying, that Canada/Canadians suck, so I think this original post also applies.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
that's got nothing to do with it. i never started a thread calling people out for voicing opinions, no matter how unsavory.
and yeah, when i wrote that, every canadian id ever met sucked. But that changed at PJ20....parties with some cool Canucks.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
My problem isn't just with people voicing racist, homophobic, bigoted, war-mongering opinions. If you read my OP again you'll see that I also have a problem with all the constant trolling and baiting going on here lately. I find it irritating, disappointing, and pretty pathetic. I think fans of this band can do better than this.
But never mind all that. Maybe you should just focus on me instead. It's always easier just to slag somebody off instead of responding to their views/posts.
I'm pretty sure there are many people who would lfeel much more comfortable if this place resembled Youtube's comments section. They way they wouldn't have to deal with such pesky things as honesty, respect, or facts. Spouting bullshit and attacking people is much easier.
A mediator.
A time out for everyone.
New brake pads and a rearviewmirrow.
A party and everyone is invited and we're gonna have a good time.
Meanwhile, somehow it keeps on rollin':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0b1yufOYM
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
screw that im not taking a time out. :P
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
kinda sums up my feelings too. frankly, I don't post here as much as I used to (nowhere near like I did from '03 to about '07) because it seems like there's a much smaller audience and everyone who is still here already knows each other's opinions for the most part and we are all already set in our own opinions anyway. i also don't know if its worth getting into politics on any other board, or on facebook, or anywhere else, because so many people just seem set in their ways, almost like it's a condition of their genetics. but i keep polemicizing anyway, because... maybe 1 or 2 will change their mind? i really don't know why. good thing is, less time on AMT means I actually check to see what goes on at the Porch... actually, that's not a good thing, what am i saying? ... :P
A RAFT will keep it afloat though
Just went back and saw that after I saw this. I didn't see that before. Was just a quote that stuck with me and I found it, sorry.