Has This Train Derailed?

Thoughts_Arrive

I still don't know why I bother here.
This place leads to warnings and bannings.

Godfather.

Derailments don't just happen they're caused...usally by a flaw in the track or a problem with a wheel in this case I see it as a lack of understanding by some of the Trains passengers who believe they know better than the rest...you know the type that say they deal in facts alone ...now there's a faulty wheel on the train it self. so yes the train has derailed and you can stop the finger pointing byrnzie because you are part of the break down that caused the derailment, you ask "has this train derailed?"...yep and posts like yours are doing it.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Godfather, I have a stone in my shoe.....

I understand my friend and if there is anything I can do to help you know your Godfather will fix this problem

Godfather.

Godfather.

he still stands wrote:

the train derailed years ago, now it is being overrun by the zombie hoard. I am honestly embarassed that I post here occasionally and I'm embarassed that this board is part of the Pearl Jam forum.

If I were part of the band in any way and I saw this, I would demand immediately that it be taken down.

It is THAT bad.

then leave man why do keep coming back ?
ps. I think we all feel that way from time to time thou.

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Godfather, I have a stone in my shoe.....

I understand my friend and if there is anything I can do to help you know your Godfather will fix this problem

Godfather.

*whispers in your ear the favour I ask of you*

blueandwhite

Has this forum ever been anything other than a highly partisan pissing ground? Honestly, the only change I see is that there a large number of intolerant conservative posters that have joined together to spew vitriolic insults. A few years back it usually was a number of left leaning posters who would routinely gang up on one or two intolerant conservatives and berate them. This has never been a place for reasoned discussion. Most moderate posters I see here are rarely responded to (by either side) and are treated as being second class.

As far as I can tell, for many of you the train has always been about dumping on others who fail to share your perspective on life/society/religion/whatever. I only come here for entertainment.

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Godfather, I have a stone in my shoe.....

I understand my friend and if there is anything I can do to help you know your Godfather will fix this problem

Godfather.

*whispers in your ear the favour I ask of you*

I can grant you this favor for you, someday the time may come that I ask you to preform a service for me and that day may never come but if it does will you be ready to preform that service for me ?

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive

Godfather. wrote:

I can grant you this favor for you, someday the time may come that I ask you to preform a service for me and that day may never come but if it does will you be ready to preform that service for me ?

Godfather.

Yes Godfather, anytime I will be there for you, and do what you ask of me.

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I can grant you this favor for you, someday the time may come that I ask you to preform a service for me and that day may never come but if it does will you be ready to preform that service for me ?

Godfather.

Yes Godfather, anytime I will be there for you, and do what you ask of me.

ahh good then, condider this a gift on this day of my daughters wedding.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Santonio, have Rocco take care of this and have him see me....

Godfather.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

At the risk of sounding pompous and/or sanctimonious, what the fuck is going on here lately? The Train has sunk to it's lowest point in the past five years, in my opinion.

Racists, trolls, self-proclaimed friends of 'God' himself, bigots....

I created a thread on a recent article of Chomsky's discussing racism in the present day, and the thread descended into a racist tirade against Africans, and personal attacks on other posters. The thread was then locked.



I've had a few pm's over the past 24 hours praising my comments in a thread saying how this place has become filled with bullshit.

Is this place really representative of Pearl Jam anymore? I could be wrong, but doesn't this band represent intelligence, imagination, conscientious activism, (I hesitate to say 'left-wing' because that term doesn't really mean anything to me) - feel free to add your own adjectives.....

There have always been people of all different persuasions - political or otherwise - on here locking horns, and generally stating their points of view, but lately this place seems to have been overrun by some pretty shitty characters. What the fuck is going on? Is this indicative of the U.S in general?

I just don't get it. How does this band attract racists, or bigots? Do people not listen to their lyrics, or listen to Ed speak between songs, or pay any attention to their activism outside of the band? What would cause someone who says 'I love the death penalty' to follow this band? It would be like me deciding to become a fan of Ted Nugent, or Mick Hucknall. I would need a fucking lobotomy first.


And, yeah, I know I'm not perfect. I know I really shouldn't post pictures of mutant Ninja turtle armchair warriors, and Yoda. But really, I used to come here knowing that on any given day I could find an engaging topic, discussion, debate, news item, e.t.c. But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm.

Answers on a postcard please...

The OP points a finger here with their words but could be looking in a mirror,
this where the answer lies.
Most of these words can be related to just about everyone here,
both sides, all people.

We are all free to start threads and express what is important to us.

We are all free to ignore threads we do not enjoy, have an opinion on,
or that cause us to be unkind to another poster.

This could be the goal in AMT in my opinion, civil respectful debate, not name calling,
classifications, judgments, hate. When I came here all these things were going on,
very negative, very hateful. If anything, there seems to be a more kinder and gentler
spirit about, although some do not want to partake in that.

Remember we are all people with feelings that can get hurt.

I think if we can meet this goal, throw each other a RAFT, all of us,
Respect
Appreciation
Forgiveness
Trust

things will continue to improve.

Derailed?
Then it is up to us put it back on track ... just like the world in general.

For me this is just me I do not have to share the same opinions to love another
human being. To love only those you agree with is very easy.
Our world needs us to love those we do not agree with.... in my opinion.

Jason P

What is a bogan?

mikepegg44

you can think what you want about the state of the train, but if you don't reply to the people doing it..the discussion doesn't fall their way. I know it is hard to ignore racism as one sees it. But if you discuss with people you know, or even ones you don't who are at the very least slightly respectful, you won't have a problem. Ignore them. It is pretty simple.

Byrnzie, are you really letting them get to you?

They go home, put a few posts up, laugh at the reaction and move on...seems like you are letting it get to you.

pandora

People are showing signs of discrimination against another each time they are unkind,
insulting and disrespectful of another's beliefs.
Consider ...
this is also a related form of racism and bigotry ...

and also trollish behavior ... using words intended to bring a hurtful emotional response from
one poster or all posters

unsung

blueandwhite wrote:

large number of intolerant conservative posters that have joined together to spew vitriolic insults.

routinely gang up on one or two intolerant conservatives

The problem is when people try to make a point of saying we should get along they usually manage to still degrade those that don't agree with them...

I'm very conservative when it comes to economic and foreign affairs (BTW that doesn't mean I am a neocon), a bit Libertarian on social issues, and pretty liberal with letting others speak their mind, it just really makes a discussion much better when insults are left out.

Jeanwah

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i think the train went to shit the moment this became a closed forum to the public (ie Membership Required) ... i know you remember when that happened ... the number of folks logged in to AMT dropped by about 75% immediately following that.

Never recovered, imho.
:(

I can agree with this, it's definitely declined since the switch.

But I really think that the reason this train has derailed is because the smart people - and there's a lot more of them than trolls - simply cannot ignore the trolls, and that gives the trolls ammo to continue trolling and they eventually win because they bring the rest of us down to their level. Find the strength to ignore trolls and we can get this train back on its rails. Trolls thrive on bringing everyone else down and they have been winning more than ever recently.

polaris_x

it has sort of derailed ... mostly because there has been an influx of trolls who don't even know they are trolls ... they are so ignorant that they don't realize what they are posting is inflammatory ... the other aspect that is killing this forum is that everyone is reporting things to the mods ... that unpeople thread was a perfect example ... the troll comes in, makes ignorant racist comments, gets called a racist, then in turn calls someone else a racist and then decides to report to the mods that someone was launching a personal attack ... the mods don't have time to go through the threads - they just lock them ...

there is also an influx of what i like to call the peanut gallery ... they basically hop on threads and champion anyone who shares their viewpoint regardless of how ridiculous that comment is ...

and lastly ... forums usually police themselves through social pressure ... for example if i say obama is the son of the devil and he should be sent to kenya where he is really from ... there should be a bunch of people saying that my comments are wrong and inappropriate from all sides of the political spectrum ... right now tho - there seems to be some partisanship on this board ...

gimmesometruth27

polaris_x wrote:

it has sort of derailed ... mostly because there has been an influx of trolls who don't even know they are trolls ... they are so ignorant that they don't realize what they are posting is inflammatory ... the other aspect that is killing this forum is that everyone is reporting things to the mods ... that unpeople thread was a perfect example ... the troll comes in, makes ignorant racist comments, gets called a racist, then in turn calls someone else a racist and then decides to report to the mods that someone was launching a personal attack ... the mods don't have time to go through the threads - they just lock them ...

there is also an influx of what i like to call the peanut gallery ... they basically hop on threads and champion anyone who shares their viewpoint regardless of how ridiculous that comment is ...

and lastly ... forums usually police themselves through social pressure ... for example if i say obama is the son of the devil and he should be sent to kenya where he is really from ... there should be a bunch of people saying that my comments are wrong and inappropriate from all sides of the political spectrum ... right now tho - there seems to be some partisanship on this board ...

yes it has derailed. nowhere near what it used to be.

many people on here comment on things that they know nothing about and do not even read the presented material. case in point, israel palestine conflict. people who know nothing about it jump in and post a bunch of rubbish without reading anything about it.

the large part is also a big problem as i see it. people post shit knowing they will be reinforced by the peanut gallery.

the other problem is people either knowingly troll or are ignorant of their trolling. there should be a way of telling them... i think the social pressure idea is true. we normally police ourselves very well. until the last year or so when some people decided it was ok to bait people and then report any repercussions.

the idea to go to pay for play, i can see why they did it, but as far as discourse and spreading of knowledge goes, it has been an utter failure...

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

it has sort of derailed ... mostly because there has been an influx of trolls who don't even know they are trolls ... they are so ignorant that they don't realize what they are posting is inflammatory ... the other aspect that is killing this forum is that everyone is reporting things to the mods ... that unpeople thread was a perfect example ... the troll comes in, makes ignorant racist comments, gets called a racist, then in turn calls someone else a racist and then decides to report to the mods that someone was launching a personal attack ... the mods don't have time to go through the threads - they just lock them ...

there is also an influx of what i like to call the peanut gallery ... they basically hop on threads and champion anyone who shares their viewpoint regardless of how ridiculous that comment is ...

and lastly ... forums usually police themselves through social pressure ... for example if i say obama is the son of the devil and he should be sent to kenya where he is really from ... there should be a bunch of people saying that my comments are wrong and inappropriate from all sides of the political spectrum ... right now tho - there seems to be some partisanship on this board ...

"mostly because there has been an influx of trolls who don't even know they are trolls ... they are so ignorant that they don't realize what they are posting is inflammatory"

Ignorant ?...Trolls ? do two wrongs make a right ?


Godfather.

he still stands

meanwhile in parallel universe, critical thinking and logic were so abundant that people longed for the day when someone uttered incantations of the idiot.