Has This Train Derailed?

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.

I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..

"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."


That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.

Godfather.

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.

I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..

"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."


That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.

We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.

Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.

that about covers it don't it ?

Godfather.

Byrnzie

even flow - question mark wrote:

Have you never visited the United States of America? That kind of stuff sure dosen't shock me.

Yeah, many times. I don't think I've ever heard any racist, or bigoted, homophobic views when I've been there though. Just some religious bullshit. Most Americans I've met have been pretty cool and open-minded.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.

Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.

that about covers it don't it ?

Godfather.

No, it doesn't cover it. The U.S legal system is inherently flawed, and racist, and the death penalty is sick and barbaric. You also execute innocent people, and the mentally ill.

It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.

Byrnzie

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.

I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..

"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."


That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.

Interesting that you copied and pasted that comment after I already deleted it and apologized for it.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Byrnzie wrote:

It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.

unfortunately, I believe it is Christianity itself that encourages the notion of "an eye for an eye", did it not?

Godfather.

:crazy: :crazy:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

We do not kill people to who kill people to show killing is wrong. We execute people as punishment for murder only after they have been found guilty of capital murder by a jury of their peers and exhausted their many appeals. It takes 15 to twenty years to execute someone.

Do we kidnap and lock people up to show kidnapping is wrong? No. It is the rule of law that we all agree to in order to live in a civilized society. If you break the law you will be punished be it a small fine or all the way to death depending on the severity of your crime.

that about covers it don't it ?

Godfather.

No, it doesn't cover it. The U.S legal system is inherently flawed, and racist, and the death penalty is sick and barbaric. You also execute innocent people, and the mentally ill.

It's way beyond time the U.S stopped this state-sanctioned murder of it's own citizens in the name of a warped sense of justice, that has more to do with revenge and blood-lust than anything else, and began practicing some of that Christianity that it loves preaching at every opportunity.

really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.

Godfather.

there you go, attacking the person, and not the ideology. did you not read this post? it was the previous damn page!

Byrnzie wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Have you never visited the United States of America? That kind of stuff sure dosen't shock me.

Yeah, many times. I don't think I've ever heard any racist, or bigoted, homophobic views when I've been there though. Just some religious bullshit. Most Americans I've met have been pretty cool and open-minded.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.

Godfather.

And what does any of this bullshit have to do with the death penalty, which is what was being discussed?

Are you just upset that I ignored your earlier personal attack on me? Was that personal attack prompted by the fact that I reminded everyone of your homophobic rant in a previous thread? Is that what made you spit your dummy out?

And the fact that I don't tolerate bullshit doesn't mean that I'm unhappy or filled with hate, as anyone who's ever met me will tell you. It just means that I don't tolerate bullshit and bullshitters, of whom there are plenty on this part of the message board. If people don't like being called out on what they post then they can simply stop posting bullshit. Life's too short for ignorance, racism, bigotry and homophobia, and I'll call people out on it everytime. And I don't care if you don't like it.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

really ...and where you live it's better ? you have this idea that the US is a horrible place and you spout your hatered every chance you get, I'll admit when it comes to this game we all call forum posting you are good at , you post with great confidince but really that's all you have,you never speak of the great thing the US has done and the people here that do these great things,you must leed an unhappy life and thats very aperant judging by most of your posts..you your self apoligized for your posts on it's own thread and not one person said your right about your self but you come back to the train to spew your hate for all things you find don't fit into your little world of suclusion, if you are that unhappy with you life change it....your hatred is starting to bor the crap out of me,isn't this your quote ? " But now it's just gotten to resemble a school playground with shit-slinging and ignorance being the norm." pot and kettle, try and have a nice day amigo.

Godfather.

Though thanks for proving my original point in this thread.

WaveRyder

seems to me, someone started a shit slinging contest themselves. Strokin' each other's egos. :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

WaveRyder wrote:

seems to me, someone started a shit slinging contest themselves. Strokin' each other's egos. :roll:

seems to me, you once said, and then defended saying, that Canada/Canadians suck, so I think this original post also applies.

WaveRyder

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

seems to me, someone started a shit slinging contest themselves. Strokin' each other's egos. :roll:

seems to me, you once said, and then defended saying, that Canada/Canadians suck, so I think this original post also applies.

that's got nothing to do with it. i never started a thread calling people out for voicing opinions, no matter how unsavory.

and yeah, when i wrote that, every canadian id ever met sucked. But that changed at PJ20....parties with some cool Canucks.

catefrances

did not did too did not did too wha wha wha.

Byrnzie

WaveRyder wrote:

i never started a thread calling people out for voicing opinions, no matter how unsavory.

My problem isn't just with people voicing racist, homophobic, bigoted, war-mongering opinions. If you read my OP again you'll see that I also have a problem with all the constant trolling and baiting going on here lately. I find it irritating, disappointing, and pretty pathetic. I think fans of this band can do better than this.

But never mind all that. Maybe you should just focus on me instead. It's always easier just to slag somebody off instead of responding to their views/posts.

I'm pretty sure there are many people who would lfeel much more comfortable if this place resembled Youtube's comments section. They way they wouldn't have to deal with such pesky things as honesty, respect, or facts. Spouting bullshit and attacking people is much easier.

brianlux

Maybe what this place needs is one or more of the following:

A mediator.

A time out for everyone.

New brake pads and a rearviewmirrow.

A party and everyone is invited and we're gonna have a good time.

Meanwhile, somehow it keeps on rollin':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0b1yufOYM

catefrances

brianlux wrote:

Maybe what this place needs is one or more of the following:

A mediator.

A time out for everyone.

New brake pads and a rearviewmirrow.

A party and everyone is invited and we're gonna have a good time.

Meanwhile, somehow it keeps on rollin':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0b1yufOYM

screw that im not taking a time out. :P

kenny olav

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i think the train went to shit the moment this became a closed forum to the public (ie Membership Required) ... i know you remember when that happened ... the number of folks logged in to AMT dropped by about 75% immediately following that.

Never recovered, imho.
:(

kinda sums up my feelings too. frankly, I don't post here as much as I used to (nowhere near like I did from '03 to about '07) because it seems like there's a much smaller audience and everyone who is still here already knows each other's opinions for the most part and we are all already set in our own opinions anyway. i also don't know if its worth getting into politics on any other board, or on facebook, or anywhere else, because so many people just seem set in their ways, almost like it's a condition of their genetics. but i keep polemicizing anyway, because... maybe 1 or 2 will change their mind? i really don't know why. good thing is, less time on AMT means I actually check to see what goes on at the Porch... actually, that's not a good thing, what am i saying? ... :P

pandora

No but I think it's about too ... again :?

A RAFT will keep it afloat though

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

There's a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty'.
There's also a difference between someone thinking the death penalty should exist, and someone saying 'I love the death penalty' in a thread that had nothing to do with the death penalty.

I'm glad to hear that. Your previous post on the topic..

"I repeat again, anyone who supports state sanctioned murder is human scum. If you support the clinical snuffing out of a persons life in the name of a warped and hypocritical notion of justice, then you are part of the cause of everything that is wrong with the human race."


That doesn't really allow for any discussion. In fact it stifles it. And you cannot even hope to change people's minds unless you allow them to speak.

Interesting that you copied and pasted that comment after I already deleted it and apologized for it.

Just went back and saw that after I saw this. I didn't see that before. Was just a quote that stuck with me and I found it, sorry.