iphone or Android HELP

DS1119

RKCNDY wrote:

it's basically like looking at a Windows computer screen and just swiping to get to other windows, and touching the icons to open them. I keep my WiFi, GPS, Background Data and Mobile internet turned off unless I am going to use it, or an app that needs to use it so I don't eat up the battery. No need for a 'task killer'.

with Apple making their phone so unaffordable to the majority of the market, they are essentially turning away potential customers, and eventually Android will surpass Apple with the number of users.

Also when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, if my phone's processor can handle it, I will be able to have that platform on my phone.

A couple of things you touched on that I don't get.

Everyone points out how unaffordable the iPhone is. It was 199 with a contract. Pretty much what the top Android phones are. Also, take a peek at Ebay and see what I could sell a four year old iPhone for today.

I hear from alot of Android users I turn this, this, this ,this and this, off to save battery life. If you're disabling everything to conserve battery...what good is it?
I would never turn the GPS off of my phone. I can remotely lock my phone and/or wipe any data on it if it's lost and also locate the phone from a desktop. Can't do that with the GPS or internet turned off.

Also a major point you touched on. With so many different forms of Android and types of phones updates can be quite sticky. Like you brought up Ice Cream Sandwich and how your phone may not be able to handle it. That's a problem.

81

do all old iphones handle the new version of the operating system?

speaking of updates...how did yours go?

eventually, the operating system will outgrow old phone hardware, just like a computer from 98 can't handle windows 7. it's just the nature of software and hardware

there are programs that will let you remote wipe /track your phone on android....i don't use that, but i do have my phone password protected, for waht it's worth....not that you would find anything but contact info/old texts. no passwords/account info.

i leave gps off because i don't use it.

anyways...i need to leave this thread.

both are good choices...pick the one you like.

DS1119

81 wrote:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395804,00.asp




somebody asked earlier about sales by manufacter

Apple shipped 4.6 million in the third quarter
HTC shipped around 5.7 million smartphones
Samsung at 4.9 million units

These are why people should not look at statistics because they can be skewed anyway you want. The ANdroid numbers are combined from every manufacturer using every single form of Android platform. What is that a couple of hundred different phones probably. Actually, I'll play devil's advocate and say 100 phones. The Apple numbers are 3 phones. The 3gs, the 4, and the 4s. There is no one Android phone that comes close to selling anywhere near the numbers of one of the IPhones. Not even close. If Apple wanted to they could flood the market with cheap dumb downed iPhones and easily sell more but that is not what they do...yet. I think witht the iCloud out there now you will see Apple selling even lower memory iPhones at cheaper prices. Perhaps a 4gb or 8gb.

81

as for value...i just compared the iphone 3gs to the evo....and they are going for about the same.

DS1119

81 wrote:

do all old iphones handle the new version of the operating system?

speaking of updates...how did yours go?

eventually, the operating system will outgrow old phone hardware, just like a computer from 98 can't handle windows 7. it's just the nature of software and hardware

there are programs that will let you remote wipe /track your phone on android....i don't use that, but i do have my phone password protected, for waht it's worth....not that you would find anything but contact info/old texts. no passwords/account info.

i leave gps off because i don't use it.

anyways...i need to leave this thread.

both are good choices...pick the one you like.

The current ios for apple goes back to the 3gs so that's a 2008 model phone and the update issue I was having ended up being a security program I had on my computer causing an issue...also now all apple updates are OTA! :P

81

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

do all old iphones handle the new version of the operating system?

speaking of updates...how did yours go?

eventually, the operating system will outgrow old phone hardware, just like a computer from 98 can't handle windows 7. it's just the nature of software and hardware

there are programs that will let you remote wipe /track your phone on android....i don't use that, but i do have my phone password protected, for waht it's worth....not that you would find anything but contact info/old texts. no passwords/account info.

i leave gps off because i don't use it.

anyways...i need to leave this thread.

both are good choices...pick the one you like.

The current ios for apple goes back to the 3gs so that's a 2008 model phone and the update issue I was having ended up being a security program I had on my computer causing an issue...also now all apple updates are OTA! :P

android has always been OTA

DS1119

81 wrote:

as for value...i just compared the iphone 3gs to the evo....and they are going for about the same.

The 3gs is a year older than the EVO as well.

81

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395804,00.asp




somebody asked earlier about sales by manufacter

Apple shipped 4.6 million in the third quarter
HTC shipped around 5.7 million smartphones
Samsung at 4.9 million units

These are why people should not look at statistics because they can be skewed anyway you want. The ANdroid numbers are combined from every manufacturer using every single form of Android platform. What is that a couple of hundred different phones probably. Actually, I'll play devil's advocate and say 100 phones. The Apple numbers are 3 phones. The 3gs, the 4, and the 4s. There is no one Android phone that comes close to selling anywhere near the numbers of one of the IPhones. Not even close. If Apple wanted to they could flood the market with cheap dumb downed iPhones and easily sell more but that is not what they do...yet. I think witht the iCloud out there now you will see Apple selling even lower memory iPhones at cheaper prices. Perhaps a 4gb or 8gb.

there really isn't that much differnce in many of the HTC phones. take the thunderbolt and evo....different radio's for different phone companies, but beyond that, they are pretty damn close to one anouther.

81

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

as for value...i just compared the iphone 3gs to the evo....and they are going for about the same.

The 3gs is a year older than the EVO as well.

but when you 100's upon 100's of throw away android phones, pretty good right?

RKCNDY

DS1119 wrote:

A couple of things you touched on that I don't get.

Everyone points out how unaffordable the iPhone is. It was 199 with a contract. Pretty much what the top Android phones are. Also, take a peek at Ebay and see what I could sell a four year old iPhone for today.

I hear from alot of Android users I turn this, this, this ,this and this, off to save battery life. If you're disabling everything to conserve battery...what good is it?
I would never turn the GPS off of my phone. I can remotely lock my phone and/or wipe any data on it if it's lost and also locate the phone from a desktop. Can't do that with the GPS or internet turned off.

Also a major point you touched on. With so many different forms of Android and types of phones updates can be quite sticky. Like you brought up Ice Cream Sandwich and how your phone may not be able to handle it. That's a problem.

I paid $20 for my phone...no way I'm gonna pay $200 for a phone. Some people are like that. (I'm guessing you also have insurance on your phone)

with the widgets, it's easy to turn on/off the GPS/WiFi-i go to the screen, turn on wiFi, then tap Words With Friends and play. When I'm done, I turn off WiFi. Simple. Also, HTC has it programmed in that even if GPS/internet is turned off, I can still wipe out the phone or find it.

Why would it be a problem if my phone can't handle the new platform? not like my phone won't work anymore, it just means I can't take advantage of new features they put on the new phones. 81 probably won't be able to get the new update since his phone is rooted. Personally I didn't like the last update, but oh well. Most likely I will be able to update since my phone is so new.

I don't have to have the latest newest gadget. I had a TDMA phone up until my carrier said "You will NOT have wireless service until you get a new phone because we are turning off the TDMA network"

81

my phone isn't rooted....and i like the newest update.

i'm pretty sure i will get ice cream, since the evo is/was sprints flagship phone. i figure it will get supported until at least late 2012

and who uses wifi?

4g trumps all. you get 4g and you can dump home interent.

btw, are they going to add that feature to the iphone5....i mean, 4G has been up and running for 1.5 years now.

RKCNDY

81 wrote:

my phone isn't rooted....and i like the newest update.

i'm pretty sure i will get ice cream, since the evo is/was sprints flagship phone. i figure it will get supported until at least late 2012

and who uses wifi?

4g trumps all. you get 4g and you can dump home interent.

btw, are they going to add that feature to the iphone5....i mean, 4G has been up and running for 1.5 years now.

I only use WiFi at home only...when I was in Cananana-dah and saw my data usage... :shock: that's even with an International data package. Or maybe they are still on 3G :x

I just want to take off all the bloatware shit. (how did you get your phone to be your home internet if you didn't root?)

DS1119

81 wrote:

my phone isn't rooted....and i like the newest update.

i'm pretty sure i will get ice cream, since the evo is/was sprints flagship phone. i figure it will get supported until at least late 2012

and who uses wifi?

4g trumps all. you get 4g and you can dump home interent.

btw, are they going to add that feature to the iphone5....i mean, 4G has been up and running for 1.5 years now.

It's Apple being Apple with the 4g thing. Once Verizon and AT&T get that shit straightened out and working 100% you will see Apple go there. IPhone 5 in all likelihood.

81

RKCNDY wrote:

81 wrote:

my phone isn't rooted....and i like the newest update.

i'm pretty sure i will get ice cream, since the evo is/was sprints flagship phone. i figure it will get supported until at least late 2012

and who uses wifi?

4g trumps all. you get 4g and you can dump home interent.

btw, are they going to add that feature to the iphone5....i mean, 4G has been up and running for 1.5 years now.

I only use WiFi at home only...when I was in Cananana-dah and saw my data usage... :shock: that's even with an International data package. Or maybe they are still on 3G :x

I just want to take off all the bloatware shit. (how did you get your phone to be your home internet if you didn't root?)

pdanet....only app i have ever bought. plug the phone into the pc's usb port and turn it on. it will also do it via bluetooth

the other option is to root and use wifi, but i don't have wifi on my pc.

81

DS1119 wrote:

Apple being Apple

sums it up right there.

81

Apple's move to standardize on Qualcomm baseband chips will be helpful in bringing LTE to the iPhone and iPad next year thanks to Qualcomm's next-generation mobile device modem (MDM) chips. The company announced on Wednesday that updated chips with integrated LTE and 3G support will offer greater power efficiency for mobile devices, a sticking point that has so far kept Apple from offering compatibility with high-speed LTE networks. Since Apple already relies on Qualcomm baseband chips in the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPad 2, it should now have a straightforward upgrade path to LTE for 2012.

Qualcomm unveiled its 4G LTE compatible Gobi 4000 platform, which has API compatibility with its current 3G Gobi 3000 platform. The 4000-series adds extensions to enable LTE data transmission with automatic HSPA and EV-DO fallback. The platform is also compatible with EV-DO Rev. A and B, HSPA+, and dual-carrier HSPA+, offering device makers an integrated solution that will work with most carriers around the world.

Qualcomm also revealed its roadmap for the MDM chips that power the Gobi 4000 platform. The current MDM9600 and MDM9200 already offer integrated LTE and 3G support, but package size and power requirements exceed those of the MDM6600/6610 used in the CDMA iPad 2, the CDMA iPhone 4, and the iPhone 4S. Even several of the recently launched Android-based LTE devices have instead relied on separate LTE baseband chips in conjunction with a 3G baseband.

Consequently, Apple has maintained that LTE isn't a good fit for the iPhone even as carriers, particularly Verizon and AT&T in the US, continue to roll out LTE support. "LTE would force design compromises we're not willing to make," Apple CEO Tim Cook said in February, and he has not wavered from that stance since.

But Qualcomm's second generation MDM9x00 series chips should provide Apple with the integrated solution the company wants. The MDM9615 is slated for first quarter 2012 availability, it seems, which could make Apple's next-generation iPad the first mobile device to incorporate it. Qualcomm has been transitioning its chips to a 28nm process, so these second-gen basebands should offer much better power efficiency than current LTE solutions.

We've already seen first hand the speed benefits of LTE, but we are also acutely aware of the battery life issues with early LTE devices. It seems Qualcomm's MDM improvements should still be able to bring LTE speed to iOS devices, but without causing additional battery problems.

DS1119

81 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Apple being Apple

sums it up right there.

They make sure everything is up to their standards. I have no issues with that. There's a reason they are the richest company in the world and hold more capital than most nations.

DS1119

81 wrote:

Apple's move to standardize on Qualcomm baseband chips will be helpful in bringing LTE to the iPhone and iPad next year thanks to Qualcomm's next-generation mobile device modem (MDM) chips. The company announced on Wednesday that updated chips with integrated LTE and 3G support will offer greater power efficiency for mobile devices, a sticking point that has so far kept Apple from offering compatibility with high-speed LTE networks. Since Apple already relies on Qualcomm baseband chips in the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPad 2, it should now have a straightforward upgrade path to LTE for 2012.

Qualcomm unveiled its 4G LTE compatible Gobi 4000 platform, which has API compatibility with its current 3G Gobi 3000 platform. The 4000-series adds extensions to enable LTE data transmission with automatic HSPA and EV-DO fallback. The platform is also compatible with EV-DO Rev. A and B, HSPA+, and dual-carrier HSPA+, offering device makers an integrated solution that will work with most carriers around the world.

Qualcomm also revealed its roadmap for the MDM chips that power the Gobi 4000 platform. The current MDM9600 and MDM9200 already offer integrated LTE and 3G support, but package size and power requirements exceed those of the MDM6600/6610 used in the CDMA iPad 2, the CDMA iPhone 4, and the iPhone 4S. Even several of the recently launched Android-based LTE devices have instead relied on separate LTE baseband chips in conjunction with a 3G baseband.

Consequently, Apple has maintained that LTE isn't a good fit for the iPhone even as carriers, particularly Verizon and AT&T in the US, continue to roll out LTE support. "LTE would force design compromises we're not willing to make," Apple CEO Tim Cook said in February, and he has not wavered from that stance since.

But Qualcomm's second generation MDM9x00 series chips should provide Apple with the integrated solution the company wants. The MDM9615 is slated for first quarter 2012 availability, it seems, which could make Apple's next-generation iPad the first mobile device to incorporate it. Qualcomm has been transitioning its chips to a 28nm process, so these second-gen basebands should offer much better power efficiency than current LTE solutions.

We've already seen first hand the speed benefits of LTE, but we are also acutely aware of the battery life issues with early LTE devices. It seems Qualcomm's MDM improvements should still be able to bring LTE speed to iOS devices, but without causing additional battery problems.

Well there you go.

81

4th paragraph.....apple being apple.

give me a choice, because as long as there is a switch to turn it off, 4g is not a battery hog. it's only a battery hog when it is searching for a singal and can't find one.

DS1119

81 wrote:

4th paragraph.....apple being apple.

give me a choice, because as long as there is a switch to turn it off, 4g is not a battery hog. it's only a battery hog when it is searching for a singal and can't find one.

And until that problem is addressed Apple is not willing to go there. I give them kudos for that actually. Instead of conforming they force other companies to do what they want if they want to sell Apple products. When I got my iPhone from Verizon do you know how much bloatware was on it...zero! It doesn't even say Verizon anywhere on the phone except for one place along the top of the screen near the signal meter. Verizon has their own market that sells apps, video services, ringtones, etc and you know how much they can sell on the iPhone? Zilch. Apple has a vision and I respect it.