Not that I mean any offence. Like many people have already said...good luck to you Pandora. Though it's also difficult for people not to get annoyed when confronted with such patronizing preachiness.
One would think you love to engage with me considering how much you do
if I am so annoying to you perhaps you could ignore me and not read my posts
that would seem to be the intelligent decision and probably the best for both of us.
But I think we have spoke of this option before numerous times.
This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.
you could say that about most people in most threads/discussions of any significance.
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Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.
the nasties?? LOL. is that how you treat people who are trying to understand you?? what a joke. how very understanding and tolerant of you, indeed.
seems to me someone speaks out of both sides of their mouth.
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oh, and keep on telling us the stories of how people are sending you pm's of support. that really makes your case that much stronger that we are "the nasties". how many pm's do you think I've received of the same content about you? difference? we don't feel the need to parade it to the masses to try to garner some ill-gotten sympathy vote. :roll:
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How can anyone seriously believe that people who believe in God have more empathy...both my mother in law and her mother (god fearing folks) believe God sent AIDS to us. I work with a fellow who swears up and down in a God and Heaven, yet is back biting everyone he doesn't like...yet my cousin who is atheist is one of the most compassionate helpful person I know.
I don't know if this was directed at my comment ....
or a general to all those who might think believers are more compassionate
than those who do not believe.
In this case, I was pointing out I thought that the poster lacked empathy for others ...
being very dismissive of others beliefs and loves.
I was not saying that all believers have more empathy than non believers...
that would be ridiculous of course... a generalization I would never make.
Sorry about your mother in law and her mother and that thought,
but best to leave that be, can be tricky with the mother in law thing.
And the back biting, well, I see that equally also, matters not ones beliefs
many live on gossip and fail to see how hurtful their words can be.
This happens daily.
Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.
the nasties?? LOL. is that how you treat people who are trying to understand you?? what a joke. how very understanding and tolerant of you, indeed.
seems to me someone speaks out of both sides of their mouth.
this was the derogatory remarks that cate mentioned... derogatory remarks I call the 'nasties'
because the remarks are...
to clarify... not the poster but the remark.
I have respect for people who can explain what they mean when they use a particular word. Repeatedly throwing around a word such as 'God' when you are incapable of explaining what this word means does not earn my respect. Why don't you just say 'bearded old man in the sky', or 'comforting figment of my imagination', instead?
then you are a believer and do believe in God. :?
and you just want a definition from a believer ?
this believer has said countless times go ask God
because if you don't believe then you won't believe me no matter what I tell you
You must feel God to know God you must do your own search
on your path as I always have said.
oh, and keep on telling us the stories of how people are sending you pm's of support. that really makes your case that much stronger that we are "the nasties". how many pm's do you think I've received of the same content about you? difference? we don't feel the need to parade it to the masses to try to garner some ill-gotten sympathy vote. :roll:
Never said people are the nasties, as I mentioned, it is the derogatory remarks that are nasty
which is true, we can both agree on that, I am sure.
I enjoy the love and support I have as I am sure you do too.
I do not wield that support, I cherish it and rely on it.
I have found many who share my experiences, which is life changing for me
I am blessed by wonderful people in my life, I celebrate that
as I know you do too.
This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.
you could say that about most people in most threads/discussions of any significance.
Yeah, but especially in religious threads, where the debate can last for months.
Well this thread sums it up nicely. If America says it's so, it must be true.
Seriously, what's the deal with a bunch of people sitting around and debating the merits of a invisible purple dinosaur that controls the cosmos? If you need to believe in a higher power then kudos, but it's always been a personal expression. Stop forcing your beliefs on me; whether you're Hindu, Christian, Islamist, Buddhist, Jewish or Atheist I don't care what you think.
Your beliefs are no more or less valid than mine are. I don't need a sales pitch (and that goes doubly for atheists who feel they're above everybody else in this ridiculous debate).
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This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.
you could say that about most people in most threads/discussions of any significance.
Yeah, but especially in religious threads, where the debate can last for months.
debate? There is never debate when it comes to religion, religious ideas or spritual beliefs. What it amounts to is a series of lines drawn in the sand , where everyone else is wrong.
Funny that. An idea that is partially intended to bring people together seems to drive them farther apart.
Posts in threads like these need disclaimer type opening/closings. Something along the lines of "well for me..." Or close with " IMO"
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
why dont you answer my questions pandora? im seeking understanding and you ignore me much like your God did when i sought him out... and yet you reply to the most derogatory posts addressed to you.. why is that???
I did not see a question in this thread from you directed to me
except for our 'box' exchange some pages back.
Also, I do know how you feel about God you have been as clear as I.
You are an atheist and very fulfilled as you have stated many times.
I can not bring understanding of God to anyone, they must find that on their path.
Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.
its not just this thread pandora.. there have been other times when ive asked you legitimate questions and theyve gone unanswered.
im not asking you to bring understanding of God to me.. i understand him well enough.. tis why ive come to the conclusions i have. what im endeavouring to do is to understand the mindset of those who claim a relationship with God.
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If you were God, a loving caring God, would you not show yourself to those that need you?
so by that rationale, as an atheist i dont need God... and in his infinite wisdom he has decided that i dont need him. is that what youre saying???
found it ... sorry cate
I was addressing Jonny to the fact of asking to be shown
I replied this also which might bring clearer understanding to my comment.
'Remember God knows your heart and you better than you.'
I feel this keenly.
Because I believe in God and also respect and understand your atheist beliefs
I won't elaborate as it might be misconstrued as attempting to convert you
or me lacking respect for your beliefs, neither would be the case.
there is no way anyone could convert me to a belief in God... to even attempt such a thing would be a colossal waste of evryones time.. but especially mine. and i wouldnt construe any answer to a questioned asked as an attempt to do so.
my atheism isnt a belief in anything... it is a lack of belief.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
for me, im a believer, and an unikely one at that. a radical commie anarchist socialist, who thinks hitchens and richard dawkins are brilliant, but i believe in god. but for me, i look at the beauty and intricacy of the world. the leaves, and the trees, the night sky. the sunset, all the different species of animals. the flowers. or things like the fact that up close, magnified, each grain of sand on the beach, is this unbelieveably beautiful and unique creations. or listen to an amazing piece of music. or see some amazing art. i think thats all evidence of god.
since the world began, humans have tried to understand their place in the world, and the meaning of life, the meaning of the world, what the purpose of life is. artists in all mediums since time began have tried to uncover the answer. as have writers, thinkers, poets, etc...
but i dont think we need to believe in anything. i dont subscribe to the idea that god hates you or dislikes you or disowns you, or you go to hell if you are a nonbeliever. makes no sense. and its not the type of god i want to believe in. i think god is there, whether we believe in him or not. and that, his creations are there, and he throws important stuff at us, synchronicity, ideas, artistic ideas etc... and its all there in the ether, and if we are receptive we can tap into that, and if we arent, we arent. but that he doesnt hate or dislike those of us who dont.
im of the opinion that all our desires and thoughts and feelings are those of god. goethe argued this when he said "what kind of god would he be if he only spoke or acted from without". meaning, that all ideas, thoughts, desires, feelings, urges are essentially God speaking.
so in answer to your question: its inate, primal and the very definition of being human. trying to understand how we fit into the world, and why we are here, what the point of it all is. The idea of spirituality seeks to answer that.
i think there is a huge gulf obviously between religion and spirituality. im a believer in god, but, i am not religious. i dont go to church and dont necessarily identify with any one faith, i respect all of them. At the same time, i obviously have major problems with stuff like what the catholic church did, and i find the sexism, homophobia of alot of religions very offputting as well.
that said, of course, i have moments of doubt. who doesnt. why would god allow this? or allow that? I think God provides comfort to us believers, and ultimately an answer, or a part of an answer to why we are all here, and what the meaning of life is.
that said, im into inclusive spirituality, as i said. the god i believe in, doesnt strike people down for saying his name in vain, and he doesnt care if you dont believe in him, and he doesnt send people to hell for non belief.
.... but for me, i look at the beauty and intricacy of the world. the leaves, and the trees, the night sky. the sunset, all the different species of animals. the flowers. or things like the fact that up close, magnified, each grain of sand on the beach, is this unbelieveably beautiful and unique creations. or listen to an amazing piece of music. or see some amazing art. i think thats all evidence of god.
You speak of beauty, creativity, etc. being the work of god - all positive things. What about 'ugliness' in our world? Is this the work of of a 'counter-part' to god? A devil? One benevolent being for beauty, one malevolent for the nastiness/disasters/famine? If one believes in one, does one believe in the other?
im of the opinion that all our desires and thoughts and feelings are those of god.
Same kind of principle as first question: if all our desires and thoughts are those of god - and I would say most people believe in a loving/kind/compassionate god - does this also apply to evil thoughts/desires/deeds (whatever evil may mean in various cultures, etc.)? Are there two 'entities'? Or is it the one and only? Is this 'god' then not filled with immense 'love' as one thinks? Or do we only like to believe in god when things are all hunky dory or when one needs him when one is troubled (asking him for a 'sign'/'miracle', etc.) and, with this belief, one brushes aside what doesn't fit in the pattern of an 'all loving' god?
Not baiting, just wondering if people accept a god with a 'split personality' (good and evil) or if there is something else to 'blame'.
Fulfilling a need/void? Some kind of comfort because one can't make sense of things therefore it's 'easier' to have a supreme being 'up there' (a crutch?) to look up to and think "He/she has a plan. I don't know what it is but it's OK beause he/she does and guides me"?
..and ultimately an answer, or a part of an answer to why we are all here, and what the meaning of life is.
Do you really think that anyone truthfully has this answer? If one thinks so, one can only speak for themselves - why they are here (and not we) and what the meaning of their life is (and not just meaning of life). I'm sure an 'enlightened' one can say they are here to share with others and help them find their way and that the meaning of life is to 'walk with god'. But hey.. for some people (enlightened in their own way), they may 'know' they are here to rid the world of say.. prostitutes and goes to kill however many they can - their purpose in life. Delusion/madness or enlightenment? I guess it depends on how one sees what our purpose here is (if there is any special 'why').
there is no 'need' to believe in a god, there's no direct correlation between not believing in god and dying like there is with food/water...as for the 'spritual need' no idea... a crutch as redrock suggested? perhaps it gives a purpose to this life 'knowing' you'll have an eternal (boring IMO) afterlife? i find that all the belief in a 'god in human form' does is drive us apart.
why does this 'god' have to have a human form or even a sex though? why does it have to be a 'thing' that listens to your prayers, or helps sports teams win games and musicians grammys?
why can it not be a 'something' that is the ruleset behind how stuff is created, evolved and so on? kind of like the force from star wars i suppose or even a mathematical equation. why does it need to be some dude riding a cloud that put us down here to 'test' us and must be feared because only he can judge?
Not baiting, just wondering if people accept a god with a 'split personality' (good and evil) or if there is something else to 'blame'.
apparently we were created in his image, so i assume this means everything else about us in his image as well
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the inbetween is mine
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why dont you answer my questions pandora? im seeking understanding and you ignore me much like your God did when i sought him out... and yet you reply to the most derogatory posts addressed to you.. why is that???
I did not see a question in this thread from you directed to me
except for our 'box' exchange some pages back.
Also, I do know how you feel about God you have been as clear as I.
You are an atheist and very fulfilled as you have stated many times.
I can not bring understanding of God to anyone, they must find that on their path.
Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.
its not just this thread pandora.. there have been other times when ive asked you legitimate questions and theyve gone unanswered.
im not asking you to bring understanding of God to me.. i understand him well enough.. tis why ive come to the conclusions i have. what im endeavouring to do is to understand the mindset of those who claim a relationship with God.
I have already and many times stated my mindset and what brought me from
being an atheist like you to having a relationship with God.
Perhaps you have not been listening and would like to reread my posts in the religious threads.
Perhaps also you would like to seek an answer from others to learn their mindset.
there is no way anyone could convert me to a belief in God... to even attempt such a thing would be a colossal waste of evryones time.. but especially mine. and i wouldnt construe any answer to a questioned asked as an attempt to do so.
my atheism isnt a belief in anything... it is a lack of belief.
I did not say there was a way for me to convert you I said I would be accused of such as I have before, and accused of not respecting an atheists beliefs. Neither of which will I do.
i think there is a huge gulf obviously between religion and spirituality. im a believer in god, but, i am not religious. i dont go to church and dont necessarily identify with any one faith, i respect all of them. At the same time, i obviously have major problems with stuff like what the catholic church did, and i find the sexism, homophobia of alot of religions very offputting as well.
that said, of course, i have moments of doubt. who doesnt. why would god allow this? or allow that? I think God provides comfort to us believers, and ultimately an answer, or a part of an answer to why we are all here, and what the meaning of life is.
that said, im into inclusive spirituality, as i said. the god i believe in, doesnt strike people down for saying his name in vain, and he doesnt care if you dont believe in him, and he doesnt send people to hell for non belief.
Very well said and much of what I believe also and what I have attempted to state in the religious threads.
I have found people who feel the same and that has been comforting
as I also do not attend church nor follow an organized religion.
I take the 'allow' part though as we have choices... this why we are here,
to learn from choices.
If God played the 'not allow' card we would not learn.
It is like a parent that guides but must eventually leave
a child to their choices good or bad.
Anther analogy... 'Allow' also allows us to use each others choices to learn,
every interaction between us, a part of each one's puzzle of life.
A final picture to view on the other side.
When one comes to believe we are not mortal, that our soul travels a journey,
the short time we have here to interact takes on new meaning.
why doubt that cate ?
am I not superior enough to believe as you do?
the 'nasties' are not people they are derogatory remarks but perhaps you understand that
If you have been reading and do not understand my words,
more words are not going to help you because they will remain the same.
That makes sense right? I think we understand each other more than you are letting on.
whats superiority got to do with it?? and i told you before.. my atheist views are not a belief. me being an atheist means there is an absence of belief.
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lie beside me
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why doubt that cate ?
am I not superior enough to believe as you do?
the 'nasties' are not people they are derogatory remarks but perhaps you understand that
If you have been reading and do not understand my words,
more words are not going to help you because they will remain the same.
That makes sense right? I think we understand each other more than you are letting on.
whats superiority got to do with it?? and i told you before.. my atheist views are not a belief. me being an atheist means there is an absence of belief.
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if I am so annoying to you perhaps you could ignore me and not read my posts
that would seem to be the intelligent decision and probably the best for both of us.
But I think we have spoke of this option before numerous times.
you could say that about most people in most threads/discussions of any significance.
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the nasties?? LOL. is that how you treat people who are trying to understand you?? what a joke. how very understanding and tolerant of you, indeed.
seems to me someone speaks out of both sides of their mouth.
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or a general to all those who might think believers are more compassionate
than those who do not believe.
In this case, I was pointing out I thought that the poster lacked empathy for others ...
being very dismissive of others beliefs and loves.
I was not saying that all believers have more empathy than non believers...
that would be ridiculous of course... a generalization I would never make.
Sorry about your mother in law and her mother and that thought,
but best to leave that be, can be tricky with the mother in law thing.
And the back biting, well, I see that equally also, matters not ones beliefs
many live on gossip and fail to see how hurtful their words can be.
This happens daily.
because the remarks are...
to clarify...
not the poster but the remark.
and you just want a definition from a believer ?
this believer has said countless times go ask God
because if you don't believe then you won't believe me no matter what I tell you
You must feel God to know God you must do your own search
on your path as I always have said.
Now I will wish you good luck as you have I
which is true, we can both agree on that, I am sure.
I enjoy the love and support I have as I am sure you do too.
I do not wield that support, I cherish it and rely on it.
I have found many who share my experiences, which is life changing for me
I am blessed by wonderful people in my life, I celebrate that
as I know you do too.
Yeah, but especially in religious threads, where the debate can last for months.
Seriously, what's the deal with a bunch of people sitting around and debating the merits of a invisible purple dinosaur that controls the cosmos? If you need to believe in a higher power then kudos, but it's always been a personal expression. Stop forcing your beliefs on me; whether you're Hindu, Christian, Islamist, Buddhist, Jewish or Atheist I don't care what you think.
Your beliefs are no more or less valid than mine are. I don't need a sales pitch (and that goes doubly for atheists who feel they're above everybody else in this ridiculous debate).
Funny that. An idea that is partially intended to bring people together seems to drive them farther apart.
Posts in threads like these need disclaimer type opening/closings. Something along the lines of "well for me..." Or close with " IMO"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
most of us understand this, that this is all merely opinion. the rest always tell us their god is there for us if we look for him.
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Winnipeg 2005
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
its not just this thread pandora.. there have been other times when ive asked you legitimate questions and theyve gone unanswered.
im not asking you to bring understanding of God to me.. i understand him well enough.. tis why ive come to the conclusions i have. what im endeavouring to do is to understand the mindset of those who claim a relationship with God.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
there is no way anyone could convert me to a belief in God... to even attempt such a thing would be a colossal waste of evryones time.. but especially mine. and i wouldnt construe any answer to a questioned asked as an attempt to do so.
my atheism isnt a belief in anything... it is a lack of belief.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
this is exactly what I've been attempting to do, all for nought.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
since the world began, humans have tried to understand their place in the world, and the meaning of life, the meaning of the world, what the purpose of life is. artists in all mediums since time began have tried to uncover the answer. as have writers, thinkers, poets, etc...
but i dont think we need to believe in anything. i dont subscribe to the idea that god hates you or dislikes you or disowns you, or you go to hell if you are a nonbeliever. makes no sense. and its not the type of god i want to believe in. i think god is there, whether we believe in him or not. and that, his creations are there, and he throws important stuff at us, synchronicity, ideas, artistic ideas etc... and its all there in the ether, and if we are receptive we can tap into that, and if we arent, we arent. but that he doesnt hate or dislike those of us who dont.
im of the opinion that all our desires and thoughts and feelings are those of god. goethe argued this when he said "what kind of god would he be if he only spoke or acted from without". meaning, that all ideas, thoughts, desires, feelings, urges are essentially God speaking.
so in answer to your question: its inate, primal and the very definition of being human. trying to understand how we fit into the world, and why we are here, what the point of it all is. The idea of spirituality seeks to answer that.
that said, of course, i have moments of doubt. who doesnt. why would god allow this? or allow that? I think God provides comfort to us believers, and ultimately an answer, or a part of an answer to why we are all here, and what the meaning of life is.
that said, im into inclusive spirituality, as i said. the god i believe in, doesnt strike people down for saying his name in vain, and he doesnt care if you dont believe in him, and he doesnt send people to hell for non belief.
You speak of beauty, creativity, etc. being the work of god - all positive things. What about 'ugliness' in our world? Is this the work of of a 'counter-part' to god? A devil? One benevolent being for beauty, one malevolent for the nastiness/disasters/famine? If one believes in one, does one believe in the other?
Same kind of principle as first question: if all our desires and thoughts are those of god - and I would say most people believe in a loving/kind/compassionate god - does this also apply to evil thoughts/desires/deeds (whatever evil may mean in various cultures, etc.)? Are there two 'entities'? Or is it the one and only? Is this 'god' then not filled with immense 'love' as one thinks? Or do we only like to believe in god when things are all hunky dory or when one needs him when one is troubled (asking him for a 'sign'/'miracle', etc.) and, with this belief, one brushes aside what doesn't fit in the pattern of an 'all loving' god?
Not baiting, just wondering if people accept a god with a 'split personality' (good and evil) or if there is something else to 'blame'.
Fulfilling a need/void? Some kind of comfort because one can't make sense of things therefore it's 'easier' to have a supreme being 'up there' (a crutch?) to look up to and think "He/she has a plan. I don't know what it is but it's OK beause he/she does and guides me"?
Do you really think that anyone truthfully has this answer? If one thinks so, one can only speak for themselves - why they are here (and not we) and what the meaning of their life is (and not just meaning of life). I'm sure an 'enlightened' one can say they are here to share with others and help them find their way and that the meaning of life is to 'walk with god'. But hey.. for some people (enlightened in their own way), they may 'know' they are here to rid the world of say.. prostitutes and goes to kill however many they can - their purpose in life. Delusion/madness or enlightenment? I guess it depends on how one sees what our purpose here is (if there is any special 'why').
why does this 'god' have to have a human form or even a sex though? why does it have to be a 'thing' that listens to your prayers, or helps sports teams win games and musicians grammys?
why can it not be a 'something' that is the ruleset behind how stuff is created, evolved and so on? kind of like the force from star wars i suppose or even a mathematical equation. why does it need to be some dude riding a cloud that put us down here to 'test' us and must be feared because only he can judge?
apparently we were created in his image, so i assume this means everything else about us in his image as well
being an atheist like you to having a relationship with God.
Perhaps you have not been listening and would like to reread my posts in the religious threads.
Perhaps also you would like to seek an answer from others to learn their mindset.
I did not say there was a way for me to convert you I said I would be accused of such as I have before, and accused of not respecting an atheists beliefs. Neither of which will I do.
I was an atheist I know exactly what it means.
I have found people who feel the same and that has been comforting
as I also do not attend church nor follow an organized religion.
I take the 'allow' part though as we have choices... this why we are here,
to learn from choices.
If God played the 'not allow' card we would not learn.
It is like a parent that guides but must eventually leave
a child to their choices good or bad.
Anther analogy... 'Allow' also allows us to use each others choices to learn,
every interaction between us, a part of each one's puzzle of life.
A final picture to view on the other side.
When one comes to believe we are not mortal, that our soul travels a journey,
the short time we have here to interact takes on new meaning.
ive been listening i just havent been understanding. i thought perhaps you might indulge my queries the way you indulge the 'nasties'.
and i seriously doubt you were 'an atheist like me'.. whatever the hell that means.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
am I not superior enough to believe as you do?
the 'nasties' are not people they are derogatory remarks but perhaps you understand that
If you have been reading and do not understand my words,
more words are not going to help you because they will remain the same.
That makes sense right? I think we understand each other more than you are letting on.
whats superiority got to do with it?? and i told you before.. my atheist views are not a belief. me being an atheist means there is an absence of belief.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say