Why do we need to "believe" in God?

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

you wrote previously
"My take is simple:
God and religion are not the same thing.
God does not subscribe to or endorse any religion.
Religion makes the connection to God... religion claims God as their possession.
Religion causes people to kill or die in God's Name.
Holy scriptures were written by Man, not God."
You seem to be changing your opinion saying I am a religion because I know God.
You seem to contradict here.
So I take it you think perhaps there exists a God but God has nothing to do with man made religions of the world. But because I know this and have found that to be true I am then a religion, but religion is not God and God does not endorse my knowing him.
I am confused with your stance.
I'd like to go back to "to each their own" you had me there.
I realize some logical people of the world find it hard to feel before thinking,
but sometimes that is the logical thing to do.
Let your heart reach new heights and your mind will follow, there is where the answers lie... 'to each their own' ... as unique as each heart.

...
It is simple... the Religion/God relationship is one way. Religions stake claims to God... God does not endorse one Religion.
Your statement, 'I Know God' is no different from the basic dogma of Christianity, Islam, Judaism and any monotheistic religion. All religions claim to know God.
You add, "But because I know this and have found that to be true..." wreeks of religious dogma. You are claiming to Know... and what you know is Truth. That is Religion.
My take is.. I don't know. I KNOW I don't know. I do not claim to know the truth... therefore, I keep looking. Thanx for the whole Hallmark Card saying about opening hearts and la la la... but, I'm not looking for your truth... I am looking for God's truth.

pandora

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

you wrote previously
"My take is simple:
God and religion are not the same thing.
God does not subscribe to or endorse any religion.
Religion makes the connection to God... religion claims God as their possession.
Religion causes people to kill or die in God's Name.
Holy scriptures were written by Man, not God."
You seem to be changing your opinion saying I am a religion because I know God.
You seem to contradict here.
So I take it you think perhaps there exists a God but God has nothing to do with man made religions of the world. But because I know this and have found that to be true I am then a religion, but religion is not God and God does not endorse my knowing him.
I am confused with your stance.
I'd like to go back to "to each their own" you had me there.
I realize some logical people of the world find it hard to feel before thinking,
but sometimes that is the logical thing to do.
Let your heart reach new heights and your mind will follow, there is where the answers lie... 'to each their own' ... as unique as each heart.

...
It is simple... the Religion/God relationship is one way. Religions stake claims to God... God does not endorse one Religion.
Your statement, 'I Know God' is no different from the basic dogma of Christianity, Islam, Judaism and any monotheistic religion. All religions claim to know God.
You add, "But because I know this and have found that to be true..." wreeks of religious dogma. You are claiming to Know... and what you know is Truth. That is Religion.
My take is.. I don't know. I KNOW I don't know. I do not claim to know the truth... therefore, I keep looking. Thanx for the whole Hallmark Card saying about opening hearts and la la la... but, I'm not looking for your truth... I am looking for God's truth.

So you are basically saying it is impossible to know God then
so why are you searching for God's truth?
and will you dismiss it
as you do what I have found?

What if in the end we find God's truth is in the person next to us?

You say that God and religion are separate...
then if I am a religion I must not know God.

It is as though you think anyone who believes in God is wrong
because no one can know God.

I have been challenged here many times because I do believe.
Often sighting,
believers try to push God on others. I have never done that but remain
challenged for the mere fact that I believe.

I said I know God, which I do, and I am challenged.

I state my beliefs like the next guy and do not attempt to make believers out of anyone
because I can't. I feel and have stated before one finds God through personal experience
and with their heart in their time on their path

or not.

And to each their own I have no need to convert anyone
and I follow no religion.

But your 'reeks' leads me to believe you are like most non believers
and think God is religion and anyone of any religion is wrong....
but you add 'to each their own' without really meaning it.

Also that you are searching for God but then disregard others who have found
God in their own way and do so a dismissive manner, when you could embrace it.

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

So you are basically saying it is impossible to know God then so why are you searching for God's truth? and will you dismiss it as you do what I have found? What if in the end we find God's truth is in the person next to us?
You say that God and religion are separate... then if I am a religion I must not know God.
It is as though you think anyone who believes in God is wrong because no one can know God.
I have been challenged here many times because I do believe. Often sighting, believers try to push God on others. I have never done that but remain challenged for the mere fact that I believe.
I said I know God, which I do, and I am challenged.
I state my beliefs like the next guy and do not attempt to make believers out of anyone because I can't. I feel and have stated before one finds God through personal experience and with their heart in their time on their path or not.
And to each their own I have no need to convert anyone and I follow no religion.
But your 'reeks' leads me to believe you are like most non believers and think God is religion and anyone of any religion is wrong.... but you add 'to each their own' without really meaning it.
Also that you are searching for God but then disregard others who have found God in their own way and do so a dismissive manner, when you could embrace it.

...
What part of 'To Each, his own' are you confused with?
You are reacting JUST as any religion does when someone questions or rejects your doctrine. You feel threatened, set up a defensive perimeter then go on the offensive, when I really don't care what your belief is and if it makes you happy... GREAT. It is YOUR religion, not mine. This typical reaction leads me to believe that you are another religion of one that I have often encountered. You are both the Preacher that claims to know God and Truth.. and you are the flock that believes in that doctrine. And that is great because it works for YOU... just as Christianity works for some, Islam works for others... but, none of it works for me.
Like I said, over and over and over again... I don't know... I don't claim to know. The only absolute truth I know about God is that I don't know... but, I'm still looking.
...
P.S. Regarding, "What if in the end we find God's truth is in the person next to us?"
Doesn't that mean that in the end... Usama bin Laden or Rev. Fred Phelps could be carrying the truth?

pandora

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

So you are basically saying it is impossible to know God then so why are you searching for God's truth? and will you dismiss it as you do what I have found? What if in the end we find God's truth is in the person next to us?
You say that God and religion are separate... then if I am a religion I must not know God.
It is as though you think anyone who believes in God is wrong because no one can know God.
I have been challenged here many times because I do believe. Often sighting, believers try to push God on others. I have never done that but remain challenged for the mere fact that I believe.
I said I know God, which I do, and I am challenged.
I state my beliefs like the next guy and do not attempt to make believers out of anyone because I can't. I feel and have stated before one finds God through personal experience and with their heart in their time on their path or not.
And to each their own I have no need to convert anyone and I follow no religion.
But your 'reeks' leads me to believe you are like most non believers and think God is religion and anyone of any religion is wrong.... but you add 'to each their own' without really meaning it.
Also that you are searching for God but then disregard others who have found God in their own way and do so a dismissive manner, when you could embrace it.

...
What part of 'To Each, his own' are you confused with?
You are reacting JUST as any religion does when someone questions or rejects your doctrine. You feel threatened, set up a defensive perimeter then go on the offensive, when I really don't care what your belief is and if it makes you happy... GREAT. It is YOUR religion, not mine. This typical reaction leads me to believe that you are another religion of one that I have often encountered. You are both the Preacher that claims to know God and Truth.. and you are the flock that believes in that doctrine. And that is great because it works for YOU... just as Christianity works for some, Islam works for others... but, none of it works for me.
Like I said, over and over and over again... I don't know... I don't claim to know. The only absolute truth I know about God is that I don't know... but, I'm still looking.
...
P.S. Regarding, "What if in the end we find God's truth is in the person next to us?"
Doesn't that mean that in the end... Usama bin Laden or Rev. Fred Phelps could be carrying the truth?

To me you appear to me to be threatened and very confusing....

You say to each his own but then speak with contempt... that is contrary.
As are your contradictions on God, know, religion are.

You don't know, yes I got that.

But you are telling me I don't know either and that I can't know
from the start of this discussion.

This you believe because you don't know so if you don't I can't either
or I guess no one else can.

That seems like you are threatened by the thought that others believe.

No one preaches nor flocking... I was saying I know God... that is all I said.
why would that be threatening to you? and how would that be preaching?
I speak for myself that I know God.... because I do.

This is not respecting others beliefs ... it is not to each their own
as I feel towards you. You are dismissing my belief while searching for yours.

I believe you are a very wise person and will find your truth on your path,
good luck to you Cosmo.

Shawshank

markin ball wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

I don't feel I have a need, or that I'm compelled to believe in God. I just do. Kind of like I know there's oxygen in the air I breathe. I can't see it, but I know it gives me life. I have a deep faith in God, and have had it for as long as I can remember. The weird thing is, is neither of my parents, or really anyone in my family were ever really church goers. I seldom went to church, and was very seldom ever engaged in that part of society. But still I always believed in God without question. Even though now my wife and I go to church regularly, and I absolutely believe in God, and accept Jesus Christ, I find myself vehemently opposed to much of what organized religion tries to push on people. Religion, in my eyes, is the biggest bunch of BS ever. Religion is nothing but man's way of trying to make themselves feel important...to make themselves feel empowered...it's man's way to make themselves feel like they have all the answers...religion is man's bogus way of pushing themselves to be closer to God. Kind of like an annoying person that tries waaaayyy too hard to be your friend. It's also nothing more than man's way of acting on God's behalf in many cases, especially when it comes to being judgmental about things like homosexuality. That's obviously a big one. I just don't see where it's our place to judge.

I guess I just don't have a problem admitting I don't have all the answers, and I feel confident enough in my faith to be cool with that. I don't believe there's anything in Science that dispels God, and I believe that everything, the construction of our universe, the laws of physics, evolution, all of it just screams God to me. So I don't believe because I have some sort of need, I just believe because I can't help but do so.

Just for the record, as far as I'm concerened, you, or anyone else, can feel whatever you want to, but I think there is a logic flaw in the statement I bolded. I would say your "faith" in oxygen is based on the processes of science whereas your faith in god and Christ is not. Any thoughts?

Sorry, I haven't been on in a while, and just now saw your reply to my post.

I guess what I was getting at is, I don't necessarily have to see God to know He is there, just like I don't see the oxygen I breathe into my lungs to know it is there. Yes I realize that scientifically speaking, we can measure the oxygen molecules in the air, and we can even cool oxygen enough until it forms a liquid so that we can visibly see it.

Call me weak minded if you will, but I have an extraordinarily difficult time believing that all of this is a big accident. That's just my belief. I spend a lot of time with nature, growing food, raising animals, keeping honeybees and watching things develop. I believe many Christians and religious folks of various beliefs, have a hard time accepting science, because they think it takes away from God, but I'm the exact opposite. I think the more we learn the more it should draw us closer to God. When you see the delicate intertwined web of circumstances that allow for life, and when you realize how everything works together, even down to the cellular and molecular level, it's an amazing set of universal laws.

People try to dismiss evolution, whereas I absolutely embrace it! I love the thought of life changing, and in most cases improving upon itself. Like I've mentioned before in another thread..."something" causes that change to occur. A honeybee did not always have a stinger, it was an evolutionary change. So what part of the bee decided..."hey these other bees are getting mean, I need a way to defend myself, I think I'll make a stinger". Fast forward a few million years, what made the honeybee say..."wow this stinger works great on other bees, but these mammals keep eating my family, I think I need a barb on this stinger so it will stick in their flesh and keep my hive safe". Something changed the genetic programming within bees. And really when you get down to the core of it, our genetic makeup, our DNA is very similar to computer programming. We didn't go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 7 by magic, someone actually rewrote the code that makes that program. That doesn't necessarily mean the old version was imperfect, it was just adequate for that time period, and as technology progressed new and improved code had to be created. That is how I see evolution.

So I've always been fascinated by the link between God and science. I don't see how science can completely discount the possibility that everything we know was created by God, because there's no way to know for sure, and there are many things that science embraces that are not definitively proven. On the other hand I also think it's ridiculous that so many Christians just completely shrug off science, because they feel it interferes with their belief.

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

To me you appear to me to be threatened and very confusing....
You say to each his own but then speak with contempt... that is contrary.
As are your contradictions on God, know, religion are.
You don't know, yes I got that.
But you are telling me I don't know either and that I can't know from the start of this discussion.
This you believe because you don't know so if you don't I can't either or I guess no one else can.
That seems like you are threatened by the thought that others believe.
No one preaches nor flocking... I was saying I know God... that is all I said. why would that be threatening to you? and how would that be preaching? I speak for myself that I know God.... because I do.
This is not respecting others beliefs ... it is not to each their own as I feel towards you. You are dismissing my belief while searching for yours.
I believe you are a very wise person and will find your truth on your path, good luck to you Cosmo.

...
Well, there you go again... on the offensive again.
I'm just saying that a lot of people say and have said, "I Know God". From you to Popes and Priests to Ayatollahs to Preachers on T.V. to Clerics to Pat Robertson to Rev. Fred Phelps to Usama bin Laden. For all I know... you all do know God. But, I still have my doubts.
Why would I ever feel threatened? I mean, I really don't care what you or anyone else feels or says about me or any of my beliefs. My beliefs are my own and I understand that. My beliefs do not apply to anyone else and I don't expect anyone else to believe me.
And yes... that is my assessment. Your belief works for you... GREAT. If you claim to know God and know the Truth about God... GREAT. That is your truth. I'm just saying... if what you are saying is the truth... absolute truth, not relative to you... then, you fall into a very small segment of the population of human history. Moses knew God... as did Jesus. And... well, i guess... you. If the truth is, that you are in the same league as Moses and Jesus... Then, who the Hell do I think i am to question, right?

Chief Broom

....What a silly little thread I've stumbled upon!



I like Pearl Jam!!!


Anybody else?

pandora

Chief Broom wrote:

....What a silly little thread I've stumbled upon!



I like Pearl Jam!!!


Anybody else?

YES me me me!

something we can all agree on! I like Pearl Jam!

thanks for that

Byrnzie

What do you mean by 'God'?


Anyway, many people have now replaced 'God' with a sports team, or even a 'country'. Their whole lives revolve around something that has no direct relation to them whatsoever. Some people just need something to focus their energies on because their lives are otherwise empty and meaningless.

Chief Broom

pandora wrote:

Chief Broom wrote:

....What a silly little thread I've stumbled upon!



I like Pearl Jam!!!


Anybody else?

YES me me me!

something we can all agree on! I like Pearl Jam!

thanks for that

I try!

chadwick

Byrnzie wrote:

What do you mean by 'God'?


Anyway, many people have now replaced 'God' with a sports team, or even a 'country'. Their whole lives revolve around something that has no direct relation to them whatsoever. Some people just need something to focus their energies on because their lives are otherwise empty and meaningless.

i heart, byrnzie.

Chief Broom

chadwick wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

What do you mean by 'God'?


Anyway, many people have now replaced 'God' with a sports team, or even a 'country'. Their whole lives revolve around something that has no direct relation to them whatsoever. Some people just need something to focus their energies on because their lives are otherwise empty and meaningless.

i heart, byrnzie.

Chadwick...are you focusing your energies on Byrnzie???

markin ball

Shawshank wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

I don't feel I have a need, or that I'm compelled to believe in God. I just do. Kind of like I know there's oxygen in the air I breathe. I can't see it, but I know it gives me life. I have a deep faith in God, and have had it for as long as I can remember. The weird thing is, is neither of my parents, or really anyone in my family were ever really church goers. I seldom went to church, and was very seldom ever engaged in that part of society. But still I always believed in God without question. Even though now my wife and I go to church regularly, and I absolutely believe in God, and accept Jesus Christ, I find myself vehemently opposed to much of what organized religion tries to push on people. Religion, in my eyes, is the biggest bunch of BS ever. Religion is nothing but man's way of trying to make themselves feel important...to make themselves feel empowered...it's man's way to make themselves feel like they have all the answers...religion is man's bogus way of pushing themselves to be closer to God. Kind of like an annoying person that tries waaaayyy too hard to be your friend. It's also nothing more than man's way of acting on God's behalf in many cases, especially when it comes to being judgmental about things like homosexuality. That's obviously a big one. I just don't see where it's our place to judge.

I guess I just don't have a problem admitting I don't have all the answers, and I feel confident enough in my faith to be cool with that. I don't believe there's anything in Science that dispels God, and I believe that everything, the construction of our universe, the laws of physics, evolution, all of it just screams God to me. So I don't believe because I have some sort of need, I just believe because I can't help but do so.

Just for the record, as far as I'm concerened, you, or anyone else, can feel whatever you want to, but I think there is a logic flaw in the statement I bolded. I would say your "faith" in oxygen is based on the processes of science whereas your faith in god and Christ is not. Any thoughts?

Sorry, I haven't been on in a while, and just now saw your reply to my post.

I guess what I was getting at is, I don't necessarily have to see God to know He is there, just like I don't see the oxygen I breathe into my lungs to know it is there. Yes I realize that scientifically speaking, we can measure the oxygen molecules in the air, and we can even cool oxygen enough until it forms a liquid so that we can visibly see it.

Call me weak minded if you will, but I have an extraordinarily difficult time believing that all of this is a big accident. That's just my belief. I spend a lot of time with nature, growing food, raising animals, keeping honeybees and watching things develop. I believe many Christians and religious folks of various beliefs, have a hard time accepting science, because they think it takes away from God, but I'm the exact opposite. I think the more we learn the more it should draw us closer to God. When you see the delicate intertwined web of circumstances that allow for life, and when you realize how everything works together, even down to the cellular and molecular level, it's an amazing set of universal laws.

People try to dismiss evolution, whereas I absolutely embrace it! I love the thought of life changing, and in most cases improving upon itself. Like I've mentioned before in another thread..."something" causes that change to occur. A honeybee did not always have a stinger, it was an evolutionary change. So what part of the bee decided..."hey these other bees are getting mean, I need a way to defend myself, I think I'll make a stinger". Fast forward a few million years, what made the honeybee say..."wow this stinger works great on other bees, but these mammals keep eating my family, I think I need a barb on this stinger so it will stick in their flesh and keep my hive safe". Something changed the genetic programming within bees. And really when you get down to the core of it, our genetic makeup, our DNA is very similar to computer programming. We didn't go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 7 by magic, someone actually rewrote the code that makes that program. That doesn't necessarily mean the old version was imperfect, it was just adequate for that time period, and as technology progressed new and improved code had to be created. That is how I see evolution.

So I've always been fascinated by the link between God and science. I don't see how science can completely discount the possibility that everything we know was created by God, because there's no way to know for sure, and there are many things that science embraces that are not definitively proven. On the other hand I also think it's ridiculous that so many Christians just completely shrug off science, because they feel it interferes with their belief.

I, too always never understood how difficult it was that many believers couldn't reconcile science or "discovery" as just learning the mechanics of what "god" did. This caused me much consternation in my teens.

I've got one more question for you, though. I know you were specifically talking about evolution but you talked about things needing a cause. So, what caused god?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

To me you appear to me to be threatened and very confusing....
You say to each his own but then speak with contempt... that is contrary.
As are your contradictions on God, know, religion are.
You don't know, yes I got that.
But you are telling me I don't know either and that I can't know from the start of this discussion.
This you believe because you don't know so if you don't I can't either or I guess no one else can.
That seems like you are threatened by the thought that others believe.
No one preaches nor flocking... I was saying I know God... that is all I said. why would that be threatening to you? and how would that be preaching? I speak for myself that I know God.... because I do.
This is not respecting others beliefs ... it is not to each their own as I feel towards you. You are dismissing my belief while searching for yours.
I believe you are a very wise person and will find your truth on your path, good luck to you Cosmo.

...
Well, there you go again... on the offensive again.
I'm just saying that a lot of people say and have said, "I Know God". From you to Popes and Priests to Ayatollahs to Preachers on T.V. to Clerics to Pat Robertson to Rev. Fred Phelps to Usama bin Laden. For all I know... you all do know God. But, I still have my doubts.
Why would I ever feel threatened? I mean, I really don't care what you or anyone else feels or says about me or any of my beliefs. My beliefs are my own and I understand that. My beliefs do not apply to anyone else and I don't expect anyone else to believe me.
And yes... that is my assessment. Your belief works for you... GREAT. If you claim to know God and know the Truth about God... GREAT. That is your truth. I'm just saying... if what you are saying is the truth... absolute truth, not relative to you... then, you fall into a very small segment of the population of human history. Moses knew God... as did Jesus. And... well, i guess... you. If the truth is, that you are in the same league as Moses and Jesus... Then, who the Hell do I think i am to question, right?

this is her M.O. you will never get through. you question her beliefs in a non-threatening and respectful way and she talks down and says shit like "you will know god one day like I do". talking from her tower as usual.

it's best just to ignore.

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

To me you appear to me to be threatened and very confusing....
You say to each his own but then speak with contempt... that is contrary.
As are your contradictions on God, know, religion are.
You don't know, yes I got that.
But you are telling me I don't know either and that I can't know from the start of this discussion.
This you believe because you don't know so if you don't I can't either or I guess no one else can.
That seems like you are threatened by the thought that others believe.
No one preaches nor flocking... I was saying I know God... that is all I said. why would that be threatening to you? and how would that be preaching? I speak for myself that I know God.... because I do.
This is not respecting others beliefs ... it is not to each their own as I feel towards you. You are dismissing my belief while searching for yours.
I believe you are a very wise person and will find your truth on your path, good luck to you Cosmo.

...
Well, there you go again... on the offensive again.
I'm just saying that a lot of people say and have said, "I Know God". From you to Popes and Priests to Ayatollahs to Preachers on T.V. to Clerics to Pat Robertson to Rev. Fred Phelps to Usama bin Laden. For all I know... you all do know God. But, I still have my doubts.
Why would I ever feel threatened? I mean, I really don't care what you or anyone else feels or says about me or any of my beliefs. My beliefs are my own and I understand that. My beliefs do not apply to anyone else and I don't expect anyone else to believe me.
And yes... that is my assessment. Your belief works for you... GREAT. If you claim to know God and know the Truth about God... GREAT. That is your truth. I'm just saying... if what you are saying is the truth... absolute truth, not relative to you... then, you fall into a very small segment of the population of human history. Moses knew God... as did Jesus. And... well, i guess... you. If the truth is, that you are in the same league as Moses and Jesus... Then, who the Hell do I think i am to question, right?

this is her M.O. you will never get through. you question her beliefs in a non-threatening and respectful way and she talks down and says shit like "you will know god one day like I do". talking from her tower as usual.

it's best just to ignore.

good idea you have there, works for me

I would say telling others they can not know God is not being respectful to their beliefs,
not at all.

I can only hope people find what they are in search of or not as I have said before.

Shawshank

markin ball wrote:

I've got one more question for you, though. I know you were specifically talking about evolution but you talked about things needing a cause. So, what caused god?

If I had the answer to this, I wouldn't be sitting here at this computer. There are some things we may never know, and I'm cool with not knowing. I don't have to know everything to solidify my faith, just like I don't have a problem with science discovering things that might shake the foundation of someone else's faith. I can't get my head around God always being, anymore than I can get my head around all of this being an accident. I'm sure there are fellow Christians out there who will spew all sorts of nonsense, presenting it as absolute fact, but they don't know anymore than I do about it.

catefrances

Shawshank wrote:

markin ball wrote:

I've got one more question for you, though. I know you were specifically talking about evolution but you talked about things needing a cause. So, what caused god?

If I had the answer to this, I wouldn't be sitting here at this computer. There are some things we may never know, and I'm cool with not knowing. I don't have to know everything to solidify my faith, just like I don't have a problem with science discovering things that might shake the foundation of someone else's faith. I can't get my head around God always being, anymore than I can get my head around all of this being an accident. I'm sure there are fellow Christians out there who will spew all sorts of nonsense, presenting it as absolute fact, but they don't know anymore than I do about it.

i totally agree that there are some things we may never know. my big question is how do the animals know to develop camouflage.. how does that happen? i understand their need to, i just dont understand how theyre bodies know, you know???

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

good idea you have there, works for me
I would say telling others they can not know God is not being respectful to their beliefs, not at all.
I can only hope people find what they are in search of or not as I have said before.

...
Look... if you believe you are in the extremely exclusive company of Biblical Moses and Jesus Christ... who am I to say otherwise, right? Why would you care what anyone else says or believes? That is my point. You can have your own religion, in where you believe you know God... The Catholic Church can have theirs... the Shi'ite Muslims and the Sunni Muslims and the Westboro Baptist Church can have theirs. Why convince me that yours is the way, when I really don't care which way you choose?
...
P.S. If you are talking about repectful... just a hint... don't talk down to people like they are stupid children. Just a suggestion.

know1

To the original question, I do not feel a need to believe in God. Basically, I can barely see how someone could NOT believe in God when I look around at the world, universe, our brains, etc. So it's not a need, but rather an observation that God is real.

newy777

catefrances wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

markin ball wrote:

I've got one more question for you, though. I know you were specifically talking about evolution but you talked about things needing a cause. So, what caused god?

If I had the answer to this, I wouldn't be sitting here at this computer. There are some things we may never know, and I'm cool with not knowing. I don't have to know everything to solidify my faith, just like I don't have a problem with science discovering things that might shake the foundation of someone else's faith. I can't get my head around God always being, anymore than I can get my head around all of this being an accident. I'm sure there are fellow Christians out there who will spew all sorts of nonsense, presenting it as absolute fact, but they don't know anymore than I do about it.

i totally agree that there are some things we may never know. my big question is how do the animals know to develop camouflage.. how does that happen? i understand their need to, i just dont understand how theyre bodies know, you know???

Animals don´t know how to develop camouflage. Evolution which takes place over millions of years as a result will lead to the changes in the animal(in this case camouflage). Natural selection will make the slightly more camouflaged animals ,slightly more likely to survive in order to reproduce and their offspring will have similar attributes which will continue down the line.