Why do we need to "believe" in God?

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

the 'good for you' comes from the poster that says "I reek of religion' in a very derogatory way
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.


I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.

The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.

Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.

There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them )
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.

Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.

Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that

fine, if you want to convict someone based on a crime previously committed, that's your option. I choose to believe that he meant it sincerely, as I always have.

I'm not asking you to change my core beliefs. I'm asking you to explain yours, which, after months of discussion, never really have. And that's fine. You have every right to keep the reasons for your belief to yourself. But then, what I don't get, if you:

1) aren't trying to learn from anyone else here
2) aren't trying to convince anyone of anything
3) aren't trying to help anyone on their path (since you say they need to find their own)
4) by self-admission keep repeating the same thing over and over again

why are you here? this is NOT a derogatory question, nor is it saying you don't have a right to be here. I fall into category 1, some fall into 2. I assumed you were in 3, but you have said now that you are not.

I am here for the music like everyone else right?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

the 'good for you' comes from the poster that says "I reek of religion' in a very derogatory way
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.


I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.

The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.

Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.

There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them )
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.

Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.

Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that

fine, if you want to convict someone based on a crime previously committed, that's your option. I choose to believe that he meant it sincerely, as I always have.

I'm not asking you to change my core beliefs. I'm asking you to explain yours, which, after months of discussion, never really have. And that's fine. You have every right to keep the reasons for your belief to yourself. But then, what I don't get, if you:

1) aren't trying to learn from anyone else here
2) aren't trying to convince anyone of anything
3) aren't trying to help anyone on their path (since you say they need to find their own)
4) by self-admission keep repeating the same thing over and over again

why are you here? this is NOT a derogatory question, nor is it saying you don't have a right to be here. I fall into category 1, some fall into 2. I assumed you were in 3, but you have said now that you are not.

I am here for the music like everyone else right?

I meant in these types of threads, not the board in general. come on, you know what I meant.

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

I am here for the music like everyone else right?

I meant in these types of threads, not the board in general. come on, you know what I meant.

I'm sharing my feelings, beliefs, opinions like any other forum/ thread in the community

Are you saying I must fit into one of the above cause
I think I am all and then none really.

I just share, people can take something or nothing from that.

I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.

God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle

Oh and why must I repeat? I guess cause I keep getting asked the same questions

and everyone repeats their core beliefs, everyone.

But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.

Jeanwah

This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

God is

..just a word..that you keep using over and over, but which is totally meaningless.

for you who is a non believer but for others,
which one would think you might have more empathy for, others,

the word God ... it means everything to them!

A non-believer in what?

I have respect for people who can explain what they mean when they use a particular word. Repeatedly throwing around a word such as 'God' when you are incapable of explaining what this word means does not earn my respect. Why don't you just say 'bearded old man in the sky', or 'comforting figment of my imagination', instead?

lukin2006

How can anyone seriously believe that people who believe in God have more empathy...both my mother in law and her mother (god fearing folks) believe God sent AIDS to us. I work with a fellow who swears up and down in a God and Heaven, yet is back biting everyone he doesn't like...yet my cousin who is atheist is one of the most compassionate helpful person I know.

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.

God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle

But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.

In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.

In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.


Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.

Byrnzie

Page 14 of this thread and still nobody can explain what they mean by 'God'.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.

God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle

But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.

In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.

In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.


Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.

+1

Byrnzie

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.

God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle

But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.

In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.

In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.


Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.

+1

Not that I mean any offence. Like many people have already said...good luck to you Pandora. Though it's also difficult for people not to get annoyed when confronted with such patronizing preachiness.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

Page 14 of this thread and still nobody can explain what they mean by 'God'.

Ask God!

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

Not that I mean any offence. Like many people have already said...good luck to you Pandora. Though it's also difficult for people not to get annoyed when confronted with such patronizing preachiness.

One would think you love to engage with me considering how much you do

if I am so annoying to you perhaps you could ignore me and not read my posts

that would seem to be the intelligent decision and probably the best for both of us.

But I think we have spoke of this option before numerous times.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Jeanwah wrote:

This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.

you could say that about most people in most threads/discussions of any significance.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

One would think you love to engage with me considering how much you do

if I am so annoying to you perhaps you could ignore me and not read my posts

that would seem to be the intelligent decision and probably the best for both of us.

But I think we have spoke of this option before numerous times.

pandora wrote:

Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.

the nasties?? LOL. is that how you treat people who are trying to understand you?? what a joke. how very understanding and tolerant of you, indeed.

seems to me someone speaks out of both sides of their mouth.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

oh, and keep on telling us the stories of how people are sending you pm's of support. that really makes your case that much stronger that we are "the nasties". how many pm's do you think I've received of the same content about you? difference? we don't feel the need to parade it to the masses to try to garner some ill-gotten sympathy vote. :roll:

pandora

lukin2006 wrote:

How can anyone seriously believe that people who believe in God have more empathy...both my mother in law and her mother (god fearing folks) believe God sent AIDS to us. I work with a fellow who swears up and down in a God and Heaven, yet is back biting everyone he doesn't like...yet my cousin who is atheist is one of the most compassionate helpful person I know.

I don't know if this was directed at my comment ....
or a general to all those who might think believers are more compassionate
than those who do not believe.

In this case, I was pointing out I thought that the poster lacked empathy for others ...
being very dismissive of others beliefs and loves.
I was not saying that all believers have more empathy than non believers...
that would be ridiculous of course... a generalization I would never make.

Sorry about your mother in law and her mother and that thought,
but best to leave that be, can be tricky with the mother in law thing.

And the back biting, well, I see that equally also, matters not ones beliefs
many live on gossip and fail to see how hurtful their words can be.
This happens daily.

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

One would think you love to engage with me considering how much you do

if I am so annoying to you perhaps you could ignore me and not read my posts

that would seem to be the intelligent decision and probably the best for both of us.

But I think we have spoke of this option before numerous times.

pandora wrote:

Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.

the nasties?? LOL. is that how you treat people who are trying to understand you?? what a joke. how very understanding and tolerant of you, indeed.

seems to me someone speaks out of both sides of their mouth.

this was the derogatory remarks that cate mentioned... derogatory remarks I call the 'nasties'
because the remarks are...
to clarify...
not the poster but the remark.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

I have respect for people who can explain what they mean when they use a particular word. Repeatedly throwing around a word such as 'God' when you are incapable of explaining what this word means does not earn my respect. Why don't you just say 'bearded old man in the sky', or 'comforting figment of my imagination', instead?

then you are a believer and do believe in God. :?

and you just want a definition from a believer ?


this believer has said countless times go ask God
because if you don't believe then you won't believe me no matter what I tell you

You must feel God to know God you must do your own search
on your path as I always have said.

Now I will wish you good luck as you have I

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

oh, and keep on telling us the stories of how people are sending you pm's of support. that really makes your case that much stronger that we are "the nasties". how many pm's do you think I've received of the same content about you? difference? we don't feel the need to parade it to the masses to try to garner some ill-gotten sympathy vote. :roll:

Never said people are the nasties, as I mentioned, it is the derogatory remarks that are nasty
which is true, we can both agree on that, I am sure.

I enjoy the love and support I have as I am sure you do too.

I do not wield that support, I cherish it and rely on it.
I have found many who share my experiences, which is life changing for me

I am blessed by wonderful people in my life, I celebrate that
as I know you do too.

Jeanwah

Funny how the derogatory remarks Pandora is talking about always comes from someone else and she is purely innocent, all the time. :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.

you could say that about most people in most threads/discussions of any significance.

Yeah, but especially in religious threads, where the debate can last for months.