We have a very different definition of a miracle... luck coincidence :? :? more like knock your f'n socks off.
This is what has happened to me and I found many others. Interpretation of the event is really not an option, it is known, understood.
If you were God, a loving caring God, would you not show yourself to those that need you?
Those who ask from the heart. Remember God knows your heart and you better than you.
It matters not to me whether people understand nor believe me that is up to them.I am not here, never was here to convert nor change anyone's beliefs.I speak of my own . . . period
Others ask for proof from me ... when they need to find their own,I will always speak of my faith, it is me, it is a gift.
As far as my statement you quoted, it is the truth, I stand by my words.Some people are totally against being open to the idea of God.They dismiss or dislike religion and can not separate God from religion. Some say they are searching for God yet to find God all one must do is ask. Some feel no need for God in their lives. Some can not believe because they can not separate science from God,and for some it may be a combination of all.
I respect all beliefs, why would anyone not? Our belief in God is unimportant,in relation to each other. Having faith in each other is God's intention.
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I apologise for cutting in... but, again... this is more of a critique of others than an affirmation of your own experience.
Specifically, how do you knowSome People are totally against being open to the idea of God, dismiss or dislike religion, can not separate God from religion, can not separate science from God and feel no need for God in their lives?
Although, you do sum it all up right here, "b]Some People[/b Can not believe". Which, in your case... you CAN believe. Which is what everyone here is saying... 'You Believe, good for you'.
well no, you chose to speak to one paragraph only
my experience with others is how I know and from their own admittance.
I have never felt "good for you" here except as a snide comment.
No celebration of my belief or experiences.
Mostly just challenging, disbelief, disrespect, and the need for proof. Though I have said many times one must find their own proof.
I have received loving responses in private though....
but not from some who respond to these kinds of threads,
not a polite, I am happy for you, coming from their heart.
Perhaps that is a defensive move, feeling I am trying to convert,
which I am not but perhaps this is what they are accustomed to.
I engage the best I can, to explain my experiences
without going into personal painful private areas that are no ones business
and again while searching in one's own life is where the proof lies.
Let's be kind to each other and respect all beliefs,
why would someone choose not to?
As I said our belief in God is unimportant,
in relation to each other.
If you were God, a loving caring God, would you not show yourself to those that need you?
Those who ask from the heart. Remember God knows your heart and you better than you.
I guess this is where I see these things as confusing and a bit contradictory. Yes, if God was a loving caring God, I would expect her to show herself, to let us in. But all we have to do is ask? If I haven’t found her, I am told that I didn’t ask from the heart. Well, I have asked from the heart. And guess what? So, either, myself and millions of people are doing it wrong, or God is'nt a loving God. I know the answer -- I'm doing it wrong.
As far as my statement you quoted, it is the truth, I stand by my words. Some people are totally against being open to the idea of God.
They dismiss or dislike religion and can not separate God from religion.
Some say they are searching for God
yet to find God all one must do is ask. Some feel no need for God in their lives. Some can not believe
because they can not separate science from God,
and for some it may be a combination of all.
I respect all beliefs, why would anyone not? Our belief in God is unimportant,
in relation to each other. Having faith in each other is God's intention.
So If I genuinely ask, I should be “shown” God. I get what you’re saying. But I just think that people are capable of having faith and believing in God without being “shown”, or having a miracle come to them. Some don’t even need to ask. Then there are others who demand to be shown, otherwise they can’t have the faith. We are all wired differently. A loving caring God should know this.
So If I genuinely ask, I should be “shown” God. I get what you’re saying. But I just think that people are capable of having faith and believing in God without being “shown”, or having a miracle come to them. Some don’t even need to ask. Then there are others who demand to be shown, otherwise they can’t have the faith. We are all wired differently. A loving caring God should know this.
Of course, that is the essence of faith to believe without being shown,
flip side, once you believe, you see God everywhere and live the proof daily.
I am sure, more people than we know, experience miracles everyday.
As far as anyone doing "it" wrong, I don't think that is possible.
I have found God works in mysterious ways ... I know, often said, but so true.
God works through us ... our interaction the plan, fate and God walk hand in hand.
The plan.
So you believe God is not a loving God? I guess some do think that.
Not me though, the logical part of me sees no purpose in a God that is not loving.
From my experiences I would say God is loving although hard lessons
must be learned, my miracle, a horribly hard lesson.
Perhaps it is a commitment issue for you Jonny.
You say you have asked and want to believe in God, then why don't you?
Because you need proof? Sounds like someone I know .... me.
I was in your place once, on the fence? (maybe I am assuming too much)
and before that I was an atheist.
We have a path to walk, this life and beyond,
no one has the answers to all that but God.
God holds our souls and gently helps us grow to understand the plan
we are all apart of.
PJ is a great awesome plan ...
PJ20 movie brought that again to my heart full force,
as did Halloween 09 when I saw up close in their eyes, the love, their connection
and all of us living the beauty that is the plan
So you believe God is not a loving God? I guess some do think that.
Not me though, the logical part of me sees no purpose in a God that is not loving.
From my experiences I would say God is loving although hard lessons
must be learned, my miracle, a horribly hard lesson.
I dont know. I don't know God enough. I have never felt that God is full of unconditional love of all people and creatures on the earth though..so I guess I'd say no.
Perhaps it is a commitment issue for you Jonny.
You say you have asked and want to believe in God, then why don't you?
Because you need proof? Sounds like someone I know .... me.
I was in your place once, on the fence? (maybe I am assuming too much)
and before that I was an atheist.
No, I woulndt really say that its a commitment issue. I REALLY want to believe in a God, but I guess I just have too many unanswered quesitons. But at the same time, I can't see how our amazing world including space could not have some kind of divine influence. I guess I just don't know how much stock I can put in an omnipotent entity. haha, or just maybe you're right..a little proof might help!
We have a path to walk, this life and beyond,
no one has the answers to all that but God.
God holds our souls and gently helps us grow to understand the plan
we are all apart of.
PJ is a great awesome plan ...
PJ20 movie brought that again to my heart full force,
as did Halloween 09 when I saw up close in their eyes, the love, their connection
and all of us living the beauty that is the plan
You aint kiddin! well, I'm off to get some indian food with my gal. I do enjoy hearing yours and everyone elses thoughts on this stuff. It all REALLY makes you think! Have a great weekend Pandora, and all you other PJ friends...
once you believe, you see God everywhere and live the proof daily.
this is exactly what I've been waiting for you to say for months. this means that you did not get shown god and THEN believe, it means you chose to believe (for whatever reason) and NOW you see him everywhere.
finally this can be put to rest.
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my experience with others is how I know and from their own admittance.
I have never felt "good for you" here except as a snide comment.
No celebration of my belief or experiences.
Mostly just challenging, disbelief, disrespect, and the need for proof. Though I have said many times one must find their own proof.
I have received loving responses in private though....
but not from some who respond to these kinds of threads,
not a polite, I am happy for you, coming from their heart.
Perhaps that is a defensive move, feeling I am trying to convert,
which I am not but perhaps this is what they are accustomed to.
I engage the best I can, to explain my experiences
without going into personal painful private areas that are no ones business
and again while searching in one's own life is where the proof lies.
Let's be kind to each other and respect all beliefs,
why would someone choose not to?
As I said our belief in God is unimportant,
in relation to each other.
Having faith in each other is God's intention.
this is what really gets me, Pandora. you claim to be all loving, all understanding, etc. Yet you take something he said, something sincere, which we have all said at one point in this discussion, and you turn it into the negative, assuming, yes ASSUMING it was meant as a snide comment.
when people like us say "good for you", it is meant with sincerity. I am happy that people can find peace in their lives, through whichever means they find, whether it be god, mozart, the arts in general, whatever.
it bothers me that you take being challenged as an act of aggression. being challenged is how everyone learns abotu themselves and each other. most of us here are trying to understand. you take it as us attacking you.
why is that?
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once you believe, you see God everywhere and live the proof daily.
this is exactly what I've been waiting for you to say for months. this means that you did not get shown god and THEN believe, it means you chose to believe (for whatever reason) and NOW you see him everywhere.
finally this can be put to rest.
no. It wont be. Someone else will ask a related question. She'll post what she always does. Gettingrather tiresome to me. This is such a personal thing. Should remain so, in my opinion. That statement doesnt just apply to Pandora either.
My religion or lack thereof is not your business. Please dont make yours mine.
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once you believe, you see God everywhere and live the proof daily.
this is exactly what I've been waiting for you to say for months. this means that you did not get shown god and THEN believe, it means you chose to believe (for whatever reason) and NOW you see him everywhere.
finally this can be put to rest.
No, not the case sorry though ...
My miracle in April of 1996 showed me God then
I had no choice in the matter but to believe
which brings me to where I am today, learning growing loving on my path
with God at my side.
once you believe, you see God everywhere and live the proof daily.
this is exactly what I've been waiting for you to say for months. this means that you did not get shown god and THEN believe, it means you chose to believe (for whatever reason) and NOW you see him everywhere.
finally this can be put to rest.
no. It wont be. Someone else will ask a related question. She'll post what she always does. Gettingrather tiresome to me. This is such a personal thing. Should remain so, in my opinion. That statement doesnt just apply to Pandora either.
My religion or lack thereof is not your business. Please dont make yours mine.
What is personal sometimes I choose to share, sometimes not.
I feel someone somewhere may relate and my words could possibly help.
I will not turn my back on God nor my faith.
I will always reply to these threads with what I have to offer.
And yes, if it is repetitive, Lord knows I'm not the only one.
I hear others share the same beliefs repeatedly because they are their core beliefs,
on this topic and other topics.
That's very ok with me though. I know they want to speak, I want to listen.
my experience with others is how I know and from their own admittance.
I have never felt "good for you" here except as a snide comment.
No celebration of my belief or experiences.
Mostly just challenging, disbelief, disrespect, and the need for proof. Though I have said many times one must find their own proof.
I have received loving responses in private though....
but not from some who respond to these kinds of threads,
not a polite, I am happy for you, coming from their heart.
Perhaps that is a defensive move, feeling I am trying to convert,
which I am not but perhaps this is what they are accustomed to.
I engage the best I can, to explain my experiences
without going into personal painful private areas that are no ones business
and again while searching in one's own life is where the proof lies.
Let's be kind to each other and respect all beliefs,
why would someone choose not to?
As I said our belief in God is unimportant,
in relation to each other.
Having faith in each other is God's intention.
this is what really gets me, Pandora. you claim to be all loving, all understanding, etc. Yet you take something he said, something sincere, which we have all said at one point in this discussion, and you turn it into the negative, assuming, yes ASSUMING it was meant as a snide comment.
when people like us say "good for you", it is meant with sincerity. I am happy that people can find peace in their lives, through whichever means they find, whether it be god, mozart, the arts in general, whatever.
it bothers me that you take being challenged as an act of aggression. being challenged is how everyone learns abotu themselves and each other. most of us here are trying to understand. you take it as us attacking you.
why is that?
the 'good for you' comes from the poster that says "I reek of religion' in a very derogatory way
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.
I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.
The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.
Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.
There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them )
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.
Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.
Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that
why dont you answer my questions pandora? im seeking understanding and you ignore me much like your God did when i sought him out... and yet you reply to the most derogatory posts addressed to you.. why is that???
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
why dont you answer my questions pandora? im seeking understanding and you ignore me much like your God did when i sought him out... and yet you reply to the most derogatory posts addressed to you.. why is that???
I did not see a question in this thread from you directed to me
except for our 'box' exchange some pages back.
Also, I do know how you feel about God you have been as clear as I.
You are an atheist and very fulfilled as you have stated many times.
I can not bring understanding of God to anyone, they must find that on their path.
Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.
the 'good for you' comes from the poster that says "I reek of religion' in a very derogatory way
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.
I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.
The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.
Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.
There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them )
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.
Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.
Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that
fine, if you want to convict someone based on a crime previously committed, that's your option. I choose to believe that he meant it sincerely, as I always have.
I'm not asking you to change my core beliefs. I'm asking you to explain yours, which, after months of discussion, never really have. And that's fine. You have every right to keep the reasons for your belief to yourself. But then, what I don't get, if you:
1) aren't trying to learn from anyone else here
2) aren't trying to convince anyone of anything
3) aren't trying to help anyone on their path (since you say they need to find their own)
4) by self-admission keep repeating the same thing over and over again
why are you here? this is NOT a derogatory question, nor is it saying you don't have a right to be here. I fall into category 1, some fall into 2. I assumed you were in 3, but you have said now that you are not.
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Fargo 2003
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
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If you were God, a loving caring God, would you not show yourself to those that need you?
so by that rationale, as an atheist i dont need God... and in his infinite wisdom he has decided that i dont need him. is that what youre saying???
found it ... sorry cate
I was addressing Jonny to the fact of asking to be shown
I replied this also which might bring clearer understanding to my comment.
'Remember God knows your heart and you better than you.'
I feel this keenly.
Because I believe in God and also respect and understand your atheist beliefs
I won't elaborate as it might be misconstrued as attempting to convert you
or me lacking respect for your beliefs, neither would be the case.
the 'good for you' comes from the poster that says "I reek of religion' in a very derogatory way
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.
I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.
The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.
Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.
There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them )
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.
Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.
Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that
fine, if you want to convict someone based on a crime previously committed, that's your option. I choose to believe that he meant it sincerely, as I always have.
I'm not asking you to change my core beliefs. I'm asking you to explain yours, which, after months of discussion, never really have. And that's fine. You have every right to keep the reasons for your belief to yourself. But then, what I don't get, if you:
1) aren't trying to learn from anyone else here
2) aren't trying to convince anyone of anything
3) aren't trying to help anyone on their path (since you say they need to find their own)
4) by self-admission keep repeating the same thing over and over again
why are you here? this is NOT a derogatory question, nor is it saying you don't have a right to be here. I fall into category 1, some fall into 2. I assumed you were in 3, but you have said now that you are not.
the 'good for you' comes from the poster that says "I reek of religion' in a very derogatory way
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.
I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.
The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.
Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.
There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them )
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.
Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.
Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that
fine, if you want to convict someone based on a crime previously committed, that's your option. I choose to believe that he meant it sincerely, as I always have.
I'm not asking you to change my core beliefs. I'm asking you to explain yours, which, after months of discussion, never really have. And that's fine. You have every right to keep the reasons for your belief to yourself. But then, what I don't get, if you:
1) aren't trying to learn from anyone else here
2) aren't trying to convince anyone of anything
3) aren't trying to help anyone on their path (since you say they need to find their own)
4) by self-admission keep repeating the same thing over and over again
why are you here? this is NOT a derogatory question, nor is it saying you don't have a right to be here. I fall into category 1, some fall into 2. I assumed you were in 3, but you have said now that you are not.
I am here for the music like everyone else right?
I meant in these types of threads, not the board in general. come on, you know what I meant.
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This thread is hilarious, as most religious threads are. Aside from Cosmo, who is actually looking to learn something about God, the rest of us aren't going to change our beliefs simply from other people's viewpoints on here.
..just a word..that you keep using over and over, but which is totally meaningless.
for you who is a non believer but for others,
which one would think you might have more empathy for, others,
the word God ... it means everything to them!
A non-believer in what?
I have respect for people who can explain what they mean when they use a particular word. Repeatedly throwing around a word such as 'God' when you are incapable of explaining what this word means does not earn my respect. Why don't you just say 'bearded old man in the sky', or 'comforting figment of my imagination', instead?
How can anyone seriously believe that people who believe in God have more empathy...both my mother in law and her mother (god fearing folks) believe God sent AIDS to us. I work with a fellow who swears up and down in a God and Heaven, yet is back biting everyone he doesn't like...yet my cousin who is atheist is one of the most compassionate helpful person I know.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.
God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle
But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.
In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.
In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.
Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.
I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.
God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle
But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.
In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.
In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.
Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.
+1
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St. Paul 2014
I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.
God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle
But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.
In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.
In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.
Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.
+1
Not that I mean any offence. Like many people have already said...good luck to you Pandora. Though it's also difficult for people not to get annoyed when confronted with such patronizing preachiness.
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no shes not.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well... she WAS. Until She couldn't get tickets for the Vancouver gig from the Ten Club Store.
Hail, Hail!!!
my experience with others is how I know and from their own admittance.
I have never felt "good for you" here except as a snide comment.
No celebration of my belief or experiences.
Mostly just challenging, disbelief, disrespect, and the need for proof.
Though I have said many times one must find their own proof.
I have received loving responses in private though....
but not from some who respond to these kinds of threads,
not a polite, I am happy for you, coming from their heart.
Perhaps that is a defensive move, feeling I am trying to convert,
which I am not but perhaps this is what they are accustomed to.
I engage the best I can, to explain my experiences
without going into personal painful private areas that are no ones business
and again while searching in one's own life is where the proof lies.
Let's be kind to each other and respect all beliefs,
why would someone choose not to?
As I said our belief in God is unimportant,
in relation to each other.
Having faith in each other is God's intention.
That’s awesome. I wish I knew the details, but I see it’s a personal thing and you should probably keep that to yourself
I guess this is where I see these things as confusing and a bit contradictory. Yes, if God was a loving caring God, I would expect her to show herself, to let us in. But all we have to do is ask? If I haven’t found her, I am told that I didn’t ask from the heart. Well, I have asked from the heart. And guess what? So, either, myself and millions of people are doing it wrong, or God is'nt a loving God. I know the answer -- I'm doing it wrong.
So If I genuinely ask, I should be “shown” God. I get what you’re saying. But I just think that people are capable of having faith and believing in God without being “shown”, or having a miracle come to them. Some don’t even need to ask. Then there are others who demand to be shown, otherwise they can’t have the faith. We are all wired differently. A loving caring God should know this.
flip side, once you believe, you see God everywhere and live the proof daily.
I am sure, more people than we know, experience miracles everyday.
As far as anyone doing "it" wrong, I don't think that is possible.
I have found God works in mysterious ways ... I know, often said, but so true.
God works through us ... our interaction the plan, fate and God walk hand in hand.
The plan.
So you believe God is not a loving God? I guess some do think that.
Not me though, the logical part of me sees no purpose in a God that is not loving.
From my experiences I would say God is loving although hard lessons
must be learned, my miracle, a horribly hard lesson.
Perhaps it is a commitment issue for you Jonny.
You say you have asked and want to believe in God, then why don't you?
Because you need proof? Sounds like someone I know
I was in your place once, on the fence? (maybe I am assuming too much)
and before that I was an atheist.
We have a path to walk, this life and beyond,
no one has the answers to all that but God.
God holds our souls and gently helps us grow to understand the plan
we are all apart of.
PJ is a great awesome plan ...
PJ20 movie brought that again to my heart full force,
as did Halloween 09 when I saw up close in their eyes, the love, their connection
and all of us living the beauty that is the plan
I dont know. I don't know God enough. I have never felt that God is full of unconditional love of all people and creatures on the earth though..so I guess I'd say no.
No, I woulndt really say that its a commitment issue. I REALLY want to believe in a God, but I guess I just have too many unanswered quesitons. But at the same time, I can't see how our amazing world including space could not have some kind of divine influence. I guess I just don't know how much stock I can put in an omnipotent entity. haha, or just maybe you're right..a little proof might help!
You aint kiddin! well, I'm off to get some indian food with my gal. I do enjoy hearing yours and everyone elses thoughts on this stuff. It all REALLY makes you think! Have a great weekend Pandora, and all you other PJ friends...
this is exactly what I've been waiting for you to say for months. this means that you did not get shown god and THEN believe, it means you chose to believe (for whatever reason) and NOW you see him everywhere.
finally this can be put to rest.
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this is what really gets me, Pandora. you claim to be all loving, all understanding, etc. Yet you take something he said, something sincere, which we have all said at one point in this discussion, and you turn it into the negative, assuming, yes ASSUMING it was meant as a snide comment.
when people like us say "good for you", it is meant with sincerity. I am happy that people can find peace in their lives, through whichever means they find, whether it be god, mozart, the arts in general, whatever.
it bothers me that you take being challenged as an act of aggression. being challenged is how everyone learns abotu themselves and each other. most of us here are trying to understand. you take it as us attacking you.
why is that?
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..just a word..that you keep using over and over, but which is totally meaningless.
so by that rationale, as an atheist i dont need God... and in his infinite wisdom he has decided that i dont need him. is that what youre saying???
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
My religion or lack thereof is not your business. Please dont make yours mine.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
My miracle in April of 1996 showed me God then
I had no choice in the matter but to believe
which brings me to where I am today, learning growing loving on my path
with God at my side.
I feel someone somewhere may relate and my words could possibly help.
I will not turn my back on God nor my faith.
I will always reply to these threads with what I have to offer.
And yes, if it is repetitive, Lord knows I'm not the only one.
I hear others share the same beliefs repeatedly because they are their core beliefs,
on this topic and other topics.
That's very ok with me though. I know they want to speak, I want to listen.
which one would think you might have more empathy for, others,
the word God ... it means everything to them!
among other comments. The 'true colors' were shown with that remark
and closed the door for me to any thought of an open mind on that posters part.
I think I have a perfect right to not trust that 'good for you'
Most of us can 'hear' posts and feel meanings often based on previous experiences.
The challenges result in disrespectful words/ nature and grow abusive
which I will always try to not fight back.
Then I may be called a victim because I will not retaliate.
Many do retaliate in more verbal abuse, round and round they go.
Instead I will try to point out abuse, hoping it will cease.
There are no challenges for core beliefs because of the nature of them.
You will not learn more about yourself once you have them
(they are your core beliefs... it would take a miracle to change them
nor can one change another's core beliefs.
You can influence those who sit on the fence that is all.
Please... understand me?
I would laugh but maybe to cry would be more appropriate.
Not much to understand anyways... I believe in God!
and will always share that
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
except for our 'box' exchange some pages back.
Also, I do know how you feel about God you have been as clear as I.
You are an atheist and very fulfilled as you have stated many times.
I can not bring understanding of God to anyone, they must find that on their path.
Believe me, I try to ignore the nasties but God help me, that is very hard.
Trying to find that ladder to the higher ground indeed, a work in progress I am,
as we all are.
fine, if you want to convict someone based on a crime previously committed, that's your option. I choose to believe that he meant it sincerely, as I always have.
I'm not asking you to change my core beliefs. I'm asking you to explain yours, which, after months of discussion, never really have. And that's fine. You have every right to keep the reasons for your belief to yourself. But then, what I don't get, if you:
1) aren't trying to learn from anyone else here
2) aren't trying to convince anyone of anything
3) aren't trying to help anyone on their path (since you say they need to find their own)
4) by self-admission keep repeating the same thing over and over again
why are you here? this is NOT a derogatory question, nor is it saying you don't have a right to be here. I fall into category 1, some fall into 2. I assumed you were in 3, but you have said now that you are not.
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I was addressing Jonny to the fact of asking to be shown
I replied this also which might bring clearer understanding to my comment.
'Remember God knows your heart and you better than you.'
I feel this keenly.
Because I believe in God and also respect and understand your atheist beliefs
I won't elaborate as it might be misconstrued as attempting to convert you
or me lacking respect for your beliefs, neither would be the case.
I am here for the music like everyone else right?
I meant in these types of threads, not the board in general. come on, you know what I meant.
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Are you saying I must fit into one of the above cause
I think I am all and then none really.
I just share, people can take something or nothing from that.
I can not provide them proof nor make them understand God
but I can share how I feel.
God works through our interaction ....
who knows what may come from my sharing....
maybe a miracle
Oh and why must I repeat? I guess cause I keep getting asked the same questions
and everyone repeats their core beliefs, everyone.
But with each exchange could more understanding be coming for each other...
I hope so.
A non-believer in what?
I have respect for people who can explain what they mean when they use a particular word. Repeatedly throwing around a word such as 'God' when you are incapable of explaining what this word means does not earn my respect. Why don't you just say 'bearded old man in the sky', or 'comforting figment of my imagination', instead?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
In other words, you regard yourself as being in possession of some superior wisdom - that you are incapable of articulating, notwithstanding your oft-repeated wishy-washy little dictums - and you are here in the hope that maybe one day we will all see the error of our ways and come to see you as you see yourself - as an enlightened being on an ivory tower.
In the meantime you'll just continue preaching to us at every opportunity.
Edit: By the way, at the risk of a future banning, this is the last of my responses to any of your posts. It's kind of counter-productive, like pissing in the wind, or debating with a member of the Flat Earth Society.
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Not that I mean any offence. Like many people have already said...good luck to you Pandora. Though it's also difficult for people not to get annoyed when confronted with such patronizing preachiness.