Lightning Bolt turns 8 today

Better Dan

BF25394 wrote:

K_jam wrote:

46000 and at no2?!?! Wow!!! No one buys or cares about albums anymore, it's a shame. I mean, even 10 years ago 46k wouldn't even get you in the top ten.

There were 4.5 million albums sold in the U.S. last week (2.6 million physical albums and 1.9 million downloads), the lowest total since Soundscan started tracking it in 1991.

I still suspect that Ten Club direct sales are not included in the Soundscan numbers, so I think Pearl Jam has actually sold more than the 212,000 copies over two weeks that Soundscan shows.

Why wouldn't ten club sales be included? Surely, the band would want all the presales through it's website to be included in the official album sale count?

BF25394

Better Dan wrote:

BF25394 wrote:

There were 4.5 million albums sold in the U.S. last week (2.6 million physical albums and 1.9 million downloads), the lowest total since Soundscan started tracking it in 1991.

I still suspect that Ten Club direct sales are not included in the Soundscan numbers, so I think Pearl Jam has actually sold more than the 212,000 copies over two weeks that Soundscan shows.

Why wouldn't ten club sales be included? Surely, the band would want all the presales through it's website to be included in the official album sale count?

Because Nielsen Soundscan tracks sales using technology that is installed at the point of sale. When Best Buy or another retailer scans a CD at the register, it gets picked up automatically by Soundscan's software and counted as a sale. (And not all retailers are set up for this; for example, many independent record stores don't report to Soundscan.) The Ten Club is almost certainly not set up for this, and I am not aware of any protocol for "manual" reporting. For one thing, it would be subject to manipulation (i.e., Band X is number 1 on the Billboard 200 with 100,000 in sales, 99,000 of which were reported by Band X itself) because Soundscan can't audit every band or record label that does direct sales.

Zod

BF25394 wrote:

Because Nielsen Soundscan tracks sales using technology that is installed at the point of sale. When Best Buy or another retailer scans a CD at the register, it gets picked up automatically by Soundscan's software and counted as a sale. (And not all retailers are set up for this; for example, many independent record stores don't report to Soundscan.) The Ten Club is almost certainly not set up for this, and I am not aware of any protocol for "manual" reporting. For one thing, it would be subject to manipulation (i.e., Band X is number 1 on the Billboard 200 with 100,000 in sales, 99,000 of which were reported by Band X itself) because Soundscan can't audit every band or record label that does direct sales.

I find that wierd because there was that whole debacle in the 90s where soundscan changed from counting albums sold to albums shipped. As a diehard PJ fan I figured it was a giant coup to break the unbeatable PJ record.

Have they switched it back down? They should reinstate the Vs. record I somewhat doubt that Garth Brooks album (and the one other album that beat) had it been counted on albums sold (instead of shipped).... grrr.

edit: wow it turns out I might have been wrong all these years. weekly sales are still counted at the registered. its gold/platinum certification that's based on albums shipped.. lol...

BF25394

Zod wrote:

BF25394 wrote:

Because Nielsen Soundscan tracks sales using technology that is installed at the point of sale. When Best Buy or another retailer scans a CD at the register, it gets picked up automatically by Soundscan's software and counted as a sale. (And not all retailers are set up for this; for example, many independent record stores don't report to Soundscan.) The Ten Club is almost certainly not set up for this, and I am not aware of any protocol for "manual" reporting. For one thing, it would be subject to manipulation (i.e., Band X is number 1 on the Billboard 200 with 100,000 in sales, 99,000 of which were reported by Band X itself) because Soundscan can't audit every band or record label that does direct sales.

I find that wierd because there was that whole debacle in the 90s where soundscan changed from counting albums sold to albums shipped. As a diehard PJ fan I figured it was a giant coup to break the unbeatable PJ record.

Have they switched it back down? They should reinstate the Vs. record I somewhat doubt that Garth Brooks album (and the one other album that beat) had it been counted on albums sold (instead of shipped).... grrr.

edit: wow it turns out I might have been wrong all these years. weekly sales are still counted at the registered. its gold/platinum certification that's based on albums shipped.. lol...

From your edit, it looks like you read the earlier part of this thread where we addressed this.

igotid88

Lightning Bolt Special
http://youtu.be/xjNPBlTQYtk

igotid88

51%
13,987

Veddernarian

Hits Daily Double has LB at #11 with 27k. They had LB at #4 last week and Billboard had LB at #2 so we'll find out Wednesday where Billboard has it. Not sure what fuels HDD's #'s and rankings differences from Billboard.

igotid88

Veddernarian wrote:

Hits Daily Double has LB at #11 with 27k. They had LB at #4 last week and Billboard had LB at #2 so we'll find out Wednesday where Billboard has it. Not sure what fuels HDD's #'s and rankings differences from Billboard.

Love that they sold more than Arcade Fire in their debut week. Although AF will probably end up selling more.

igotid88

If they stay steady. They could still be in the top 20 in their 4th week. 5 of the new albums in the top 10 could drop below the top 20 next week.

BF25394

igotid88 wrote:

Veddernarian wrote:

Hits Daily Double has LB at #11 with 27k. They had LB at #4 last week and Billboard had LB at #2 so we'll find out Wednesday where Billboard has it. Not sure what fuels HDD's #'s and rankings differences from Billboard.

Love that they sold more than Arcade Fire in their debut week. Although AF will probably end up selling more.

I love Arcade Fire and bought their record the day it came out, but I suspect that the Arcade Fire record probably had a lot of people illegally downloading it given their very large fan base of jobless hipsters of dubious character.

igotid88

54% reporting
#22 8,571

Eminem already at 500k

And everyone who played at the CMA's are getting a boost.

Wish PJ would do a Grammy's or AMA.

BF25394

igotid88 wrote:

Wish PJ would do a Grammy's or AMA.

They might be on a Grammys blacklist.

TJ25487

igotid88 wrote:

54% reporting
#22 8,571

Eminem already at 500k

And everyone who played at the CMA's are getting a boost.

Wish PJ would do a Grammy's or AMA.

I guess PJ week on Fallon wasn't good enough?

T-Bone 82

BF25394 wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

Veddernarian wrote:

Hits Daily Double has LB at #11 with 27k. They had LB at #4 last week and Billboard had LB at #2 so we'll find out Wednesday where Billboard has it. Not sure what fuels HDD's #'s and rankings differences from Billboard.

Love that they sold more than Arcade Fire in their debut week. Although AF will probably end up selling more.

I love Arcade Fire and bought their record the day it came out, but I suspect that the Arcade Fire record probably had a lot of people illegally downloading it given their very large fan base of jobless hipsters of dubious character.

Arcade fire is at #17 right now on Hitsdailydouble w/ 54% reporting. Looks like they're only heading for about 25k sales for the week. Lightning Bolt held at #2 in week 2 w/ 46k in sales. So far, Lightning Bolt seems to be performing a bit better than Reflektor. But I'm sure Arcade Fire will get Grammy nods and that'll boost sales. Probably less likely for PJ.

You're right - the unemployed hipsters don't have the purchasing power of Pearl Jam fans! Haha. Plus, I think this may be one of these critically acclaimed albums that doesn't really connect with the general public. I'm not crazy about the tunes I've heard off of this record, and I really liked The Suburbs.

igotid88

TJ25487 wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

54% reporting
#22 8,571

Eminem already at 500k

And everyone who played at the CMA's are getting a boost.

Wish PJ would do a Grammy's or AMA.

I guess PJ week on Fallon wasn't good enough?

I'm sure it helped some. But I don't think late night shows do that much for sales

TJ25487

igotid88 wrote:

TJ25487 wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

54% reporting
#22 8,571

Eminem already at 500k

And everyone who played at the CMA's are getting a boost.

Wish PJ would do a Grammy's or AMA.

I guess PJ week on Fallon wasn't good enough?

I'm sure it helped some. But I don't think late night shows do that much for sales

I agree. In the Rolling Stone review of LB they said that one of the nice things about PJ is that they haven't been overexposing themselves on awards shows? It is a double edged sword of sorts.

igotid88

Final numbers for week 4

#18 15,951 -41%

igotid88

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BF25394

igotid88 wrote:

Final numbers for week 4

#18 15,951 -41%

As you know, ID, these are HDD's final numbers, but Soundscan's (and, therefore, Billboard's) may be different.

igotid88

BF25394 wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

Final numbers for week 4

#18 15,951 -41%

As you know, ID, these are HDD's final numbers, but Soundscan's (and, therefore, Billboard's) may be different.

Yea but not by much. Hopefully there's a plus difference