yes accepting loss and punishment is what we do
forgiving us is what others do
it is a blessing to forgive and be forgiven when hearts long for this
why I feel those who long to be forgiven should be
but a heart without regret knows no forgiveness
I regret tons of it, girls I wish I didn't get back together with, friends I wish I kept in done with, but its part of life. Sometimes people aren't forgiven.
you are not alone KOR.
i'm right there with ya man.
making mistakes and doing things we regret is part of human nature. there are people i swore i would never forgive, but over time my heart has softened some. i know i am not forgiven by some people, and i am ok with that because at the end of the day there is nothing you can do about it. either they choose to forgive or they don't and you can't let that interfere with your daily life.
as far as mr. nugent goes, i doubt he will ever think he needs forgiveness because the guy is a misogynist and probably feels like he did nothing wrong.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
hank jr. never has been hungry, he continues to ride on daddy's coat-tails, or however that saying goes. hank and kid rock work together creating bullshit music together, if you can even call it music. to my knowledge hank jr. has done nothing for this country except promote hillbilly bullshit. his songs all sound the same.
problem is, the south isn't ever gonna win, hank. y'all down yonder way are a bunch of toothless no knownin jackasses who enslaved others due to their darker skin color. you are a moron. your integrity is swallow and again, you are what you are because of your daddy paving out the way. you have really done nothing on your own of value to my knowledge.
Your push for forgiveness is invalidating his feelings and experience of the situation. g under p and his friend can find forgiveness within their own choosing and processing of the situation. Your response to the story comes across as "black and white" and maybe it's how you often respond when hearing a story of someone being victimized. You begin to feel each others hearts by validating others, not by invalidating.
I believe you have made an error :?
I was responding to the fact that someone does not deserve forgiveness made by another poster
this post was not directed at g under p or his story
I think maybe read what I replied to him to better understand where I am coming from
I know much about victimizing and understand all to well
but I stand by my words here both for the victim and those who victimize
I don't think I really made an error. In your direct response, you talked about thinking TN has asked for forgiveness. Whether he has or not (not likely based on what I've seen/heard) isn't relevant. I stand by my statement that your response was invalidating.
this is what i wrote
"Not sure if I should pursue...
I do not now much about Nugent,
never went for the music and you know I am all about that.
But do you think he has asked for forgiveness, that he has regrets for what he did,
was it maybe 20 years ago?
I know I have asked for forgiveness for things done in my youth,
maybe you too
Do you think he will ask in the end and know the terror of your friend?
I do.
Do you think you can forgive once he understands?
I am more surprised at your violence after previous words we have spoke.
So I understand what this horrific event means to you.
I am sorry for this."
I did not think anything about TN I did not think he had asked for forgiveness or not ...
I asked what g under p thought
I did not push for him to forgive or anyone to forgive, of course they will forgive or not in their own time
His story was not black and white neither is forgiving my point
invalidating :? I understood ... that is what I have to offer.... if you read my last lines to him
I get it completely
this is what i wrote "Not sure if I should pursue...
I do not now much about Nugent, never went for the music and you know I am all about that.
But do you think he has asked for forgiveness, that he has regrets for what he did, was it maybe 20 years ago?
I know I have asked for forgiveness for things done in my youth, maybe you too
Do you think he will ask in the end and know the terror of your friend?
I do.
Do you think you can forgive once he understands?
I am more surprised at your violence after previous words we have spoke.
So I understand what this horrific event means to you.
I am sorry for this."
I did not think anything about TN I did not think he had asked for forgiveness or not ...
I asked what g under p thought
I did not push for him to forgive or anyone to forgive, of course they will forgive or not in their own time
His story was not black and white neither is forgiving my point
invalidating :? I understood ... that is what I have to offer.... if you read my last lines to him
I get it completely
...
Asking for forgiveness and receiving it are two different things. Some people whom ask for forgiveness... do it for themselves, not for the ones they are asking forgiveness from.
And if asked for and received forgiveness... why do they often times repeat the behaviour that prompted it?
I feel that people should receive forgiveness... if it is deserving... not demanded.
But, that's just me.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
You know, at this point, who really cares anymore? It was an analogy and a poor choice of words. And it does suck that even though he sucks, his song was great for Monday Night Football. So it's said it's gone, but can't we let this die yet?
You know, at this point, who really cares anymore? It was an analogy and a poor choice of words. And it does suck that even though he sucks, his song was great for Monday Night Football. So it's said it's gone, but can't we let this die yet?
I suppose I'm not helping by posting again.
...
I think it's because people perceive this as a First Amendment (Freedom Of Speech) issue... when, in fact, it is a business decision.
You and I don't care... because we know the First Amendment... and this is just an insignificant item that has been elevted to newsworthiness by newsrooms driven by ratings, not journalism.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I think it was the new song that got everybody going again
my whole thought did the song come first then 'the event'
if so, then it was a grand publicity stunt to go along with the song and how he feels
and how many others feel in this country ... very threatened and dissatisfied
this is what i wrote "Not sure if I should pursue...
I do not now much about Nugent, never went for the music and you know I am all about that.
But do you think he has asked for forgiveness, that he has regrets for what he did, was it maybe 20 years ago?
I know I have asked for forgiveness for things done in my youth, maybe you too
Do you think he will ask in the end and know the terror of your friend?
I do.
Do you think you can forgive once he understands?
I am more surprised at your violence after previous words we have spoke.
So I understand what this horrific event means to you.
I am sorry for this."
I did not think anything about TN I did not think he had asked for forgiveness or not ...
I asked what g under p thought
I did not push for him to forgive or anyone to forgive, of course they will forgive or not in their own time
His story was not black and white neither is forgiving my point
invalidating :? I understood ... that is what I have to offer.... if you read my last lines to him
I get it completely
...
Asking for forgiveness and receiving it are two different things. Some people whom ask for forgiveness... do it for themselves, not for the ones they are asking forgiveness from.
And if asked for and received forgiveness... why do they often times repeat the behaviour that prompted it?
I feel that people should receive forgiveness... if it is deserving... not demanded.
But, that's just me.
I agree
a heart never lies... like I said too bad we can't feel each others
to forgive is healing even more so for the forgiver
...
Asking for forgiveness and receiving it are two different things. Some people whom ask for forgiveness... do it for themselves, not for the ones they are asking forgiveness from.
And if asked for and received forgiveness... why do they often times repeat the behaviour that prompted it?
I feel that people should receive forgiveness... if it is deserving... not demanded.
But, that's just me.
I agree
a heart never lies... like I said too bad we can't feel each others
to forgive is healing even more so for the forgiver
...
I disagree. Why?
Because, for example, I don't think that the Brown and Goldman families should need to 'feel' O.J.Simpson's heart.
They may or may not forgive O.J. for slaughtering their kids and getting away with it in such a public forum... that's on them and what I feel about iyt means absolutely nothing.
Or they can simply choose to dedicate their lives in honor of their slain children/siblings and give O.J. what he deserves from them... being completely out of their lives.
...
P.S. The heart does lie. Ask the person who loves someone so much... they murder them.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Interesting to see and hear all the love towards the one and only Ted Nugent. I've told this story here before and I won't say or waste another word this piece of crap of humanity....if you want to call him human.
A friend of mine many many years ago begged me to go to this show I don't know what she saw in the guy but she asked me to go along with other friends went to his show. Place was unexpectedly packed...I knew none of his music but I reluctantly went. The show went on I was bored to tears but my lady friend was having a great time....anyway we got separated in a rush of the crowd when TN was on some apparatus that had him hanging over the crowd. I don't know if he was on some drugs or what but during one song he urges the crowd as they rushed under him to attack or go after some girls there. As I'm looking up in some kind of act or rage he screams to rape her, rape her.....little did I know my lady friend was caught up in the middle of this madness and his idiotic fans start to tear rip up these girls clothes. I went ballistic busted through maybe 20 people to get to my friend who by then had her top shirt ripped off. I looked up at this motherfucker and he was STILL encouraging these maniacs...I wanted to kill him but I grabbed her wrapped her up and pushed us out of there.
She was crying and in shock....I wanted to file something but she said no and just wanted to go home. Maybe I posted this in the worst concert experience ever but I do remember posting this and these are my last words I'll waste on this piece of shit of a human. As you'll know I post PEACE at the end of post but I'll say this IF I ever run into this asswipe ever again I would put that peace sign away and put my fist straight through his skull and Then put my fist through his nuts. I've been to hundreds of concerts but NEVER have I seen an act encourage violence.
You people who love HIM please continue but I'll never ever have ANY RESPECT FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT OF A HUMAN.
PEACE
I do not now much about Nugent,
never went for the music and you know I am all about that.
But do you think he has asked for forgiveness, that he has regrets for what he did,
Do you think you can forgive once he understands?
So now the onus is on g under p to 'forgive'?
Never mind Ted Nugent being a spineless loudmouth piece of shit. No. You just start preaching the same wishy-washy nonsense to g under p instead.
I did not push for him to forgive or anyone to forgive
Yes you did. It's what you always do in every thread. And quite frankly it's become very fucking boring.
People don't come to this message board to be converted to your own personal little God fantasy, yet you keep shoving it in everyone's face at every opportunity.
g under P told us about an experience involving Ted Nugent encouraging the rape of some girls at a concert, one of whom was his friend, and you then use it as an excuse to start patronizing him with your psuedo-religious crap again.
I'm not surprised he didn't bother replying to you.
...
Asking for forgiveness and receiving it are two different things. Some people whom ask for forgiveness... do it for themselves, not for the ones they are asking forgiveness from.
And if asked for and received forgiveness... why do they often times repeat the behaviour that prompted it?
I feel that people should receive forgiveness... if it is deserving... not demanded.
But, that's just me.
I agree
a heart never lies... like I said too bad we can't feel each others
to forgive is healing even more so for the forgiver
...
I disagree. Why?
Because, for example, I don't think that the Brown and Goldman families should need to 'feel' O.J.Simpson's heart.
They may or may not forgive O.J. for slaughtering their kids and getting away with it in such a public forum... that's on them and what I feel about iyt means absolutely nothing.
Or they can simply choose to dedicate their lives in honor of their slain children/siblings and give O.J. what he deserves from them... being completely out of their lives.
...
P.S. The heart does lie. Ask the person who loves someone so much... they murder them.
when victimized one must forgive to bring healing to themselves or they stay angry
and confined and possessed by the event, this when they themselves have been the victim.
If a loved one has been a victim it can be much harder to forgive but not impossible.
one doesn't have to forget but forgive...
this is how it is better for the forgiver then the forgiven
Murder is driven by many things but not love ... might be the loss of love, fear of that, lust, etc
but not pure love.
Well, unless perhaps a mercy killing, if you were thinking of that,
but then the heart is not lying, it is merciful.
I did mention in a previous post ...
a heart that knows no regrets knows no forgiveness
this might be the case in your example ... I do not know.
But hey you voted for Reagan twice? I was just a pup back then born in 56.
I had been wondering how many here actually knew President Reagan or
if they were commenting from history books. I guess you knew
and he was popular I think.
My father liked him, I was too young to care or pay attention but I noticed when gas went sky high
I think in 75. :shock:
A Moving Train
Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new.
Oh well! So much for all that. This place has turned into a fucking circus. It's feels like a Republican Jesus camp here these days.
It couldn't be any further away from reasoned debate.
I did not push for him to forgive or anyone to forgive
Yes you did. It's what you always do in every thread. And quite frankly it's become very fucking boring.
People don't come to this message board to be converted to your own personal little God fantasy, yet you keep shoving it in everyone's face at every opportunity.
g under P told us about an experience involving Ted Nugent encouraging the rape of some girls at a concert, one of whom was his friend, and you then use it as an excuse to start patronizing him with your psuedo-religious crap again.
I'm not surprised he didn't bother replying to you.
I didn't mention God :? nor religion to him or anyone
if I am so boring please ignore me that is what grown ups do... not insult
when victimized one must forgive to bring healing to themselves or they stay angry and confined and possessed by the event, this when they themselves have been the victim. If a loved one has been a victim it can be much harder to forgive but not impossible.
one doesn't have to forget but forgive... this is how it is better for the forgiver then the forgiven
Murder is driven by many things but not love ... might be the loss of love, fear of that, lust, etc but not pure love. Well, unless perhaps a mercy killing, if you were thinking of that, but then the heart is not lying, it is merciful. I did mention in a previous post ... a heart that knows no regrets knows no forgiveness this might be the case in your example ... I do not know.
But hey you voted for Reagan twice? I was just a pup back then born in 56.
I had been wondering how many here actually knew President Reagan or if they were commenting from history books. I guess you knew and he was popular I think.
My father liked him, I was too young to care or pay attention but I noticed when gas went sky high I think in 75. :shock:
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Regarding forgiveness... I don't speak for anyone other than myself. I think that each individual chooses whether or not to grant forgiveness to his/her trespassers. Who am I to tell them what they should or shouldn't do?
On lies of the heart... who is to say everything from the heart is love? You are basing your opinion on that factor... one which I disagree. The heart can harbor all kinds of stuff... including the dark side of love (envy and jealousy).
On Reagan... you were 24 in 1980, 6 years past the minimum voting age.... 28 in 1984. A pup... maybe in dog years... but, I first voted in 1976 for Carter over Ford.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
it is not to God it is to ones own heart Byrnzie ... a cleansing and purging
knowing and owning ones wrongs
sorry you misunderstood
So you're now going to pretend that you were asking if Ted Nugent has forgiven himself?
Sorry, but that's possibly the worst attempt to move the goalposts that I've ever seen.
It's as much owning and learning to forgive yourself and then learning from this.
This helps to avoid the callous way we treat others.
I know nothing about TN ... don't know his heart don't think others do either
unless they are just judging him as they do Hank Jr... a predisposed opinion.
I like to think the best of people though ... it works for me
I like to think the best of people though ... it works for me
And if it had been you or your daughter getting her clothes ripped off by a bunch of idiot rednecks at the behest of Ted Nugent you'd have stood there quite happy and content in the belief that Ted Nugent and all his horny redneck buddies were really all wonderful human beings who may one day ask for forgiveness and come to 'understand'?
Shit, if that's the case then why didn't those girls at that concert throw in a blow job for good measure?
in my opinion only those who do not regret what they have done should go unforgiven
Maybe you should try and keep better track of all this sh*t you keep preaching to us. Maybe then you won't end up contradicting yourself.
I am speaking here of others forgiving us.
I'm sorry you don't understand do you also read the posts I am replying to or just mine?
You seem to single mine out.
I stand by what I said of course, as always, if it doesn't make sense to you perhaps avoid them
cause it seems to be a problem for us and I'm good with that ... you avoiding my posts.
I am speaking here of others forgiving us.
I'm sorry you don't understand do you also read the posts I am replying to or just mine?
You seem to single mine out.
I stand by what I said of course, as always, if it doesn't make sense to you perhaps avoid them
cause it seems to be a problem for us and I'm good with that ... you avoiding my posts.
Don't pretend that I don't understand your posts. I understand them perfectly well. You don't exist on some higher plane of wisdom than the rest of us.
It's as much owning and learning to forgive yourself and then learning from this.
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Pardon me for butting in... but, this statement sounds like a cop out to me. In my world... which I do not expect anyone to adhere to... I ask forgiveness of the person I've wronged. It is just too easy to grant forgiveness to yourself... it is difficult to face your wrong doings in the real world.
This is the problem I have with religion... laying all of our sins on Jesus' shoulders... makes us... well, kind of pussies. I will shoulder the responsibilities of my own sins and be held accountable for them.
But, that's just me.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I like to think the best of people though ... it works for me
And if it had been you or your daughter getting her clothes ripped off by a bunch of idiot rednecks at the behest of Ted Nugent you'd have stood there quite happy and content in the belief that Ted Nugent and all his horny redneck buddies were really all wonderful human beings who may one day ask for forgiveness and come to 'understand'?
Shit, if that's the case then why didn't those girls at that concert throw in a blow job for good measure?
I'll keep my freedom
I'll keep my guns
Try to keep my money
And my religion too
Try to keep on workin'
Try to keep on smilin'
I will keep my Christian name and y'all can keep the change
I will keep my heroes
Pictures on the wall
I'll keep my family safe
You bluff when I call
I'm gonna keep my big V8
Keep my friends the same
Keep the government outta my business
And y'all can keep the change
This country sure as hell been goin' down the drain
We know what we need
We know who to blame
United Socialist States of America
How do ya like that name?
I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change
So FOX and friends
Wanna put me down
Ask for my opinions
Then twist it all around
Supposed to be talkin' about my father's new CD
Well two can play that "Gotcha' Game" just wait and see
Don't tread on me
This country sure as hell been goin' down the drain
We know what we need
We know who to blame
United Socialist States of America
Don't ya just LOVE that name?
I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change
I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change
Yeah, you can keep FOX and friends and ESPN outta your homes too
Cuz Bocephus and all his rowdy friends and his song is outta there!
I'm liking this ... he's good with lyrics
so was this the plan all along... song promotion crazy like a FOX!
I see Hank Jr for President!
shit like this is why pj hates touring the south
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when victimized one must forgive to bring healing to themselves or they stay angry and confined and possessed by the event, this when they themselves have been the victim. If a loved one has been a victim it can be much harder to forgive but not impossible.
one doesn't have to forget but forgive... this is how it is better for the forgiver then the forgiven
Murder is driven by many things but not love ... might be the loss of love, fear of that, lust, etc but not pure love. Well, unless perhaps a mercy killing, if you were thinking of that, but then the heart is not lying, it is merciful. I did mention in a previous post ... a heart that knows no regrets knows no forgiveness this might be the case in your example ... I do not know.
But hey you voted for Reagan twice? I was just a pup back then born in 56.
I had been wondering how many here actually knew President Reagan or if they were commenting from history books. I guess you knew and he was popular I think.
My father liked him, I was too young to care or pay attention but I noticed when gas went sky high I think in 75. :shock:
...
Regarding forgiveness... I don't speak for anyone other than myself. I think that each individual chooses whether or not to grant forgiveness to his/her trespassers. Who am I to tell them what they should or shouldn't do?
On lies of the heart... who is to say everything from the heart is love? You are basing your opinion on that factor... one which I disagree. The heart can harbor all kinds of stuff... including the dark side of love (envy and jealousy).
On Reagan... you were 24 in 1980, 6 years past the minimum voting age.... 28 in 1984. A pup... maybe in dog years... but, I first voted in 1976 for Carter over Ford.
yes yes mixed my years up...I voted same year for Ford...there you go!
I do the same regarding forgiveness, of course you can nottell someone to forgive,
that is ridiculous, that comes from their processing and their heart.
We can only lend support and understanding to hopefully help in the process.
Many helped me to forgive... I am thankful for that.
I was drowning in hate, really stuck in events that I could not change.
I don't think I said the only emotion that comes from the heart is love ...
we are complex creatures, yes
but the conversation involved that and for me I focus on love because it is positive and I try not to surround myself in negativity. That is counterproductive for me and my path.
I have that choice as everyone does or not.
I'll keep my freedom
I'll keep my guns
Try to keep my money
And my religion too
Try to keep on workin'
Try to keep on smilin'
I will keep my Christian name and y'all can keep the change
I will keep my heroes
Pictures on the wall
I'll keep my family safe
You bluff when I call
I'm gonna keep my big V8
Keep my friends the same
Keep the government outta my business
And y'all can keep the change
This country sure as hell been goin' down the drain
We know what we need
We know who to blame
United Socialist States of America
How do ya like that name?
I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change
So FOX and friends
Wanna put me down
Ask for my opinions
Then twist it all around
Supposed to be talkin' about my father's new CD
Well two can play that "Gotcha' Game" just wait and see
Don't tread on me
This country sure as hell been goin' down the drain
We know what we need
We know who to blame
United Socialist States of America
Don't ya just LOVE that name?
I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change
I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change
Yeah, you can keep FOX and friends and ESPN outta your homes too
Cuz Bocephus and all his rowdy friends and his song is outta there!
I'm liking this ... he's good with lyrics
so was this the plan all along... song promotion crazy like a FOX!
I see Hank Jr for President!
shit like this is why pj hates touring the south
I wonder why some people must only be with like minds, this makes no sense to me.
You don't have to agree to love another human being.
You miss really good hearts that way and so much love!
It's as much owning and learning to forgive yourself and then learning from this.
...
Pardon me for butting in... but, this statement sounds like a cop out to me. In my world... which I do not expect anyone to adhere to... I ask forgiveness of the person I've wronged. It is just too easy to grant forgiveness to yourself... it is difficult to face your wrong doings in the real world.
This is the problem I have with religion... laying all of our sins on Jesus' shoulders... makes us... well, kind of pussies. I will shoulder the responsibilities of my own sins and be held accountable for them.
But, that's just me.
sometimes the person to forgive is no longer with us or perhaps it is yourself ...
that is not easy to do, forgive yourself and definitely not a cop out.
What is a cop out is insulting others and disrespecting among other things
and thinking that is ok.
No accountability for one's behavior or other's feelings.
I don't know about Jesus and if people really do that ... the Christians I know do not but I'm sure because the religion teaches that many do and that is fine by me. I certainly wouldn't judge them for it.
I did not bring up God or religion to the thread but I guess you have decided to.
Is it off topic from Hank Jr... debatable I guess.
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i'm right there with ya man.
making mistakes and doing things we regret is part of human nature. there are people i swore i would never forgive, but over time my heart has softened some. i know i am not forgiven by some people, and i am ok with that because at the end of the day there is nothing you can do about it. either they choose to forgive or they don't and you can't let that interfere with your daily life.
as far as mr. nugent goes, i doubt he will ever think he needs forgiveness because the guy is a misogynist and probably feels like he did nothing wrong.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
he is a racist to my notion. http://youtu.be/OlDkgk3SMPg
problem is, the south isn't ever gonna win, hank. y'all down yonder way are a bunch of toothless no knownin jackasses who enslaved others due to their darker skin color. you are a moron. your integrity is swallow and again, you are what you are because of your daddy paving out the way. you have really done nothing on your own of value to my knowledge.
http://youtu.be/95aP0OWx4jY
holy shit... thank god it isn't 1925 any longer
(sorry im a big meany)
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
this is what i wrote
"Not sure if I should pursue...
I do not now much about Nugent,
never went for the music and you know I am all about that.
But do you think he has asked for forgiveness, that he has regrets for what he did,
was it maybe 20 years ago?
I know I have asked for forgiveness for things done in my youth,
maybe you too
Do you think he will ask in the end and know the terror of your friend?
I do.
Do you think you can forgive once he understands?
I am more surprised at your violence after previous words we have spoke.
So I understand what this horrific event means to you.
I am sorry for this."
I did not think anything about TN I did not think he had asked for forgiveness or not ...
I asked what g under p thought
I did not push for him to forgive or anyone to forgive, of course they will forgive or not in their own time
His story was not black and white neither is forgiving my point
invalidating :? I understood ... that is what I have to offer.... if you read my last lines to him
I get it completely
Asking for forgiveness and receiving it are two different things. Some people whom ask for forgiveness... do it for themselves, not for the ones they are asking forgiveness from.
And if asked for and received forgiveness... why do they often times repeat the behaviour that prompted it?
I feel that people should receive forgiveness... if it is deserving... not demanded.
But, that's just me.
Hail, Hail!!!
I suppose I'm not helping by posting again.
I think it's because people perceive this as a First Amendment (Freedom Of Speech) issue... when, in fact, it is a business decision.
You and I don't care... because we know the First Amendment... and this is just an insignificant item that has been elevted to newsworthiness by newsrooms driven by ratings, not journalism.
Hail, Hail!!!
my whole thought did the song come first then 'the event'
if so, then it was a grand publicity stunt to go along with the song and how he feels
and how many others feel in this country ... very threatened and dissatisfied
"I'll keep the USA and y'all can keep the change"
a heart never lies... like I said too bad we can't feel each others
to forgive is healing even more so for the forgiver
I disagree. Why?
Because, for example, I don't think that the Brown and Goldman families should need to 'feel' O.J.Simpson's heart.
They may or may not forgive O.J. for slaughtering their kids and getting away with it in such a public forum... that's on them and what I feel about iyt means absolutely nothing.
Or they can simply choose to dedicate their lives in honor of their slain children/siblings and give O.J. what he deserves from them... being completely out of their lives.
...
P.S. The heart does lie. Ask the person who loves someone so much... they murder them.
Hail, Hail!!!
So now the onus is on g under p to 'forgive'?
Never mind Ted Nugent being a spineless loudmouth piece of shit. No. You just start preaching the same wishy-washy nonsense to g under p instead.
Unbelievable.
Yes you did. It's what you always do in every thread. And quite frankly it's become very fucking boring.
People don't come to this message board to be converted to your own personal little God fantasy, yet you keep shoving it in everyone's face at every opportunity.
g under P told us about an experience involving Ted Nugent encouraging the rape of some girls at a concert, one of whom was his friend, and you then use it as an excuse to start patronizing him with your psuedo-religious crap again.
I'm not surprised he didn't bother replying to you.
when victimized one must forgive to bring healing to themselves or they stay angry
and confined and possessed by the event, this when they themselves have been the victim.
If a loved one has been a victim it can be much harder to forgive but not impossible.
one doesn't have to forget but forgive...
this is how it is better for the forgiver then the forgiven
Murder is driven by many things but not love ... might be the loss of love, fear of that, lust, etc
but not pure love.
Well, unless perhaps a mercy killing, if you were thinking of that,
but then the heart is not lying, it is merciful.
I did mention in a previous post ...
a heart that knows no regrets knows no forgiveness
this might be the case in your example ... I do not know.
But hey you voted for Reagan twice? I was just a pup back then born in 56.
I had been wondering how many here actually knew President Reagan or
if they were commenting from history books. I guess you knew
and he was popular I think.
My father liked him, I was too young to care or pay attention but I noticed when gas went sky high
I think in 75. :shock:
Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new.
Oh well! So much for all that. This place has turned into a fucking circus. It's feels like a Republican Jesus camp here these days.
It couldn't be any further away from reasoned debate.
I didn't mention God :? nor religion to him or anyone
if I am so boring please ignore me that is what grown ups do... not insult
thanks in advance for that Byrnzie
This is what you said:
Asked for forgiveness from who? Mickey Mouse? Donald Duck? His Mum?
You were preaching to, and patronizing him.
knowing and owning ones wrongs
sorry you misunderstood
Regarding forgiveness... I don't speak for anyone other than myself. I think that each individual chooses whether or not to grant forgiveness to his/her trespassers. Who am I to tell them what they should or shouldn't do?
On lies of the heart... who is to say everything from the heart is love? You are basing your opinion on that factor... one which I disagree. The heart can harbor all kinds of stuff... including the dark side of love (envy and jealousy).
On Reagan... you were 24 in 1980, 6 years past the minimum voting age.... 28 in 1984. A pup... maybe in dog years... but, I first voted in 1976 for Carter over Ford.
Hail, Hail!!!
So you're now going to pretend that you were asking if Ted Nugent has forgiven himself?
Sorry, but that's possibly the worst attempt to move the goalposts that I've ever seen.
This is what you said:
and:
Maybe you should try and keep better track of all this sh*t you keep preaching to us. Maybe then you won't end up contradicting yourself.
This helps to avoid the callous way we treat others.
I know nothing about TN ... don't know his heart don't think others do either
unless they are just judging him as they do Hank Jr... a predisposed opinion.
I like to think the best of people though ... it works for me
I'm sorry, dude... but, this is fucking FUNNY! Ted Nugent... forgiving himself for banging 14 year olds in his tour bus back in '75.
Hail, Hail!!!
And if it had been you or your daughter getting her clothes ripped off by a bunch of idiot rednecks at the behest of Ted Nugent you'd have stood there quite happy and content in the belief that Ted Nugent and all his horny redneck buddies were really all wonderful human beings who may one day ask for forgiveness and come to 'understand'?
Shit, if that's the case then why didn't those girls at that concert throw in a blow job for good measure?
I'm sorry you don't understand do you also read the posts I am replying to or just mine?
You seem to single mine out.
I stand by what I said of course, as always, if it doesn't make sense to you perhaps avoid them
cause it seems to be a problem for us and I'm good with that ... you avoiding my posts.
Don't pretend that I don't understand your posts. I understand them perfectly well. You don't exist on some higher plane of wisdom than the rest of us.
Pardon me for butting in... but, this statement sounds like a cop out to me. In my world... which I do not expect anyone to adhere to... I ask forgiveness of the person I've wronged. It is just too easy to grant forgiveness to yourself... it is difficult to face your wrong doings in the real world.
This is the problem I have with religion... laying all of our sins on Jesus' shoulders... makes us... well, kind of pussies. I will shoulder the responsibilities of my own sins and be held accountable for them.
But, that's just me.
Hail, Hail!!!
again I do not know him as I have said
I think you like to go over the top
I don't
good night sir
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I do the same regarding forgiveness, of course you can not tell someone to forgive,
that is ridiculous, that comes from their processing and their heart.
We can only lend support and understanding to hopefully help in the process.
Many helped me to forgive... I am thankful for that.
I was drowning in hate, really stuck in events that I could not change.
I don't think I said the only emotion that comes from the heart is love ...
we are complex creatures, yes
but the conversation involved that and for me I focus on love because it is positive and I try not to surround myself in negativity. That is counterproductive for me and my path.
I have that choice as everyone does or not.
You don't have to agree to love another human being.
You miss really good hearts that way and so much love!
that is not easy to do, forgive yourself and definitely not a cop out.
What is a cop out is insulting others and disrespecting among other things
and thinking that is ok.
No accountability for one's behavior or other's feelings.
I don't know about Jesus and if people really do that ... the Christians I know do not but I'm sure because the religion teaches that many do and that is fine by me. I certainly wouldn't judge them for it.
I did not bring up God or religion to the thread but I guess you have decided to.
Is it off topic from Hank Jr... debatable I guess.
Why do you drink?
Why do you roll smoke?
Why must you live out the song that you wrote?