Hank Willams Jr. Ha Ha!

g under p

pandora wrote:

g under p wrote:

In many references to the word enemy the word terrorist is brought into play and he in my opinion fell short of that. Unless he hasn't taken a vacation in the pass year he shouldn't care what or whom the President decides to play golf with the job of presidency is tough enough already everyone needs a break.

I've had disagreements with friends...I haven't had one with Michael Franti but I'm sure that day may come. I've had disagreements with you such as in the domestic violence scenerio....friends have their disagreements all the time that's what should build and makes friendship better over time.

Hank Jr can have all the fear, disappointment, distrust he wants things I feel and have just the same...just not on network tv or he'll suffer the consequences and in this case he certainly did. No hate intended.

peace

Terrorist is much more than enemy if I get what you are saying ... much much more.
He didn't care whom he played golf with... he was comparing the unlikely partnership
in my take.

No argument with consequences, as I've said, still think the song should play on.

Disagreement is different than attack though ... I see a lot of attacking.

What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.

He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.

Peace

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't believe that hank williams jr is conherent enough to provide such a nuanced excuse or clarification of his remarks that pandora was able to do so eloquently. the man can speak for and defend himself. he does not need any of us to make excuses for him or speak for him.

flat out, he called the president his enemy. there is only one way that you can interpret that. he has to deal with the consequences and repercussions of his own words.

I personally think someone should be able to call their President
their enemy without repercussions though ... just saying....
we all might need to be able to do so one day.

It can be called defense and excuses as you put my words, I prefer it be thought of as
an attempt at understanding another human being.

words for some come easy others not so much so especially when out of their element
as he clearly was

pandora

g under p wrote:

pandora wrote:

g under p wrote:

In many references to the word enemy the word terrorist is brought into play and he in my opinion fell short of that. Unless he hasn't taken a vacation in the pass year he shouldn't care what or whom the President decides to play golf with the job of presidency is tough enough already everyone needs a break.

I've had disagreements with friends...I haven't had one with Michael Franti but I'm sure that day may come. I've had disagreements with you such as in the domestic violence scenerio....friends have their disagreements all the time that's what should build and makes friendship better over time.

Hank Jr can have all the fear, disappointment, distrust he wants things I feel and have just the same...just not on network tv or he'll suffer the consequences and in this case he certainly did. No hate intended.

peace

Terrorist is much more than enemy if I get what you are saying ... much much more.
He didn't care whom he played golf with... he was comparing the unlikely partnership
in my take.

No argument with consequences, as I've said, still think the song should play on.

Disagreement is different than attack though ... I see a lot of attacking.

What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.

He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.

Peace

No no sorry I did not mean you sorry I meant in general in disagreements ...
attacking takes place which changes everything...sorry if I put that wrong :(

this thread there was a lot of personal attacks on Hank by many .. that changes things for me

g under p

g under p wrote:

In many references to the word enemy the word terrorist is brought into play and he in my opinion fell short of that. Unless he hasn't taken a vacation in the pass year he shouldn't care what or whom the President decides to play golf with the job of presidency is tough enough already everyone needs a break.

I've had disagreements with friends...I haven't had one with Michael Franti but I'm sure that day may come. I've had disagreements with you such as in the domestic violence scenerio....friends have their disagreements all the time that's what should build and makes friendship better over time.

Hank Jr can have all the fear, disappointment, distrust he wants things I feel and have just the same...just not on network tv or he'll suffer the consequences and in this case he certainly did. No hate intended.

peace

pandora wrote:

g under p wrote:

pandora wrote:

Terrorist is much more than enemy if I get what you are saying ... much much more.
He didn't care whom he played golf with... he was comparing the unlikely partnership
in my take.

No argument with consequences, as I've said, still think the song should play on.

Disagreement is different than attack though ... I see a lot of attacking.

What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.

He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.

Peace

No no sorry I did not mean you sorry I meant in general in disagreements ...
attacking takes place which changes everything...sorry if I put that wrong :(

this thread there was a lot of personal attacks on Hank by many .. that changes things for me

It's now understood....other folks have their opinions just like you or myself have ours. Let me add my main problem I had with this is that he can call the President just about....no he can call him ANYTHING he wants. However he HW Jr is a part of the media per say with his MNF jingle and said what he said on a media outlet Fox Network and that's the problem I have.

If you feel this badly towards the president then say ALL of this and more in private or they will be consequences. if he wasn't part of the media this probably wouldn't be a big deal in the big picture.

Peace

pandora

g under p wrote:

It's now understood....other folks have their opinions just like you or myself have ours.

Peace

oh yes they do, no need to attack and insult to get it across though this is where it changes
from a disagreement to a battle

pandora

to what you added g under p ...I bet he doesn't feel a part of the media

g under p

pandora wrote:

to what you added g under p ...I bet he doesn't feel a part of the media

Yes well he may feel that way however, when you were paid by a media oulet as large as ESPN you then become part of said outlet whether he feels that way or not.

Peace

pandora

g under p wrote:

pandora wrote:

to what you added g under p ...I bet he doesn't feel a part of the media

Yes well he may feel that way however, when you were paid by a media oulet as large as ESPN you then become part of said outlet whether he feels that way or not.

Peace

was he just getting paid for his song use ... what was his job title?

I looked it up but too much other gunk going on

he sure doesn't seem like he would be working for ESPN per say

bennett13

I applaud Bocephus for speaking his mind, just as I appreciated PJ for speaking their mind about Bush (especially after seeing the PJ20 film's depiction of the band's classy response to the boos from the audience after "Bushleaguer"). Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter to me. Music is music, and politics are politics. If I let politics dictate the music I listen to, I'd listen to nothing but Ted Nugent (eh) and Toby Keith (ugh).

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

your post seems to be directed at Republicans saying that they are not as cool with insult
as the Democrats...
is that the jest of it? or am I wrong :?

So your post was then sarcasm .. the agreed part?
not good with that, I take most words at face value,
if I could see your eyes I would know though.

Personally I'm thinking both sides look incredibly childish.

...
If you read my other messages... I am an equal opportunity critic. So, please... don't pin a political label on my lapel. I care to wear neither.
I am simply pointing out that people's opinions change based on the subject at hand. They are not objective in their views. I am going to venture to guess that a lot of the very same people who burned Dixie Chicks CDs for their words are probably the same ones who support Hank Williams, Jr. for his.
I was tolerant of the Dixie Chicks and am tolerant of Hank Williams, Jr. (as well as tolerant towards Nazi/KKK speak and Westboro Baptist Church speak) when it comes to Freedom of Speech. They all have the Constitutional right to speak out and even if I am diametrically opposed to their views and/or tactics... I will defend their right to do so.
But, what people need to understand... you may face repercussions for you free speech. The government didn't fire Hank Willians, Jr., ESPN(ABC) did. It was a business decision on their part.

gimmesometruth27

espn did him a favor.

that song has been reworked hundreds of times and to say that it was "dated" is an understatement..

keeponrockin

If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.

Cosmo

keeponrockin wrote:

If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.

...
Exactly. Not a First Amendment issue... a business decision.

keeponrockin

Cosmo wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.

...
Exactly. Not a First Amendment issue... a business decision.

Kinda like Walter in the coffee shop.

BinauralJam

keeponrockin wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.

...
Exactly. Not a First Amendment issue... a business decision.

Kinda like Walter in the coffee shop.

brandon10

Cosmo wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.

...
Exactly. Not a First Amendment issue... a business decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS8kv5-3WYY

cincybearcat

The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.

I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.

keeponrockin

cincybearcat wrote:

The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.

I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.

GWB WAS a liar.

However, I don't think there was a controversy surrounding the fallout.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.

I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.

dixie chicks did nothing of that sort and what happened to them was inexcusable and indefensable death threats? come on, anyone who thinks they deserved death threats is off their rocker..

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.

I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.

dixie chicks did nothing of that sort and what happened to them was inexcusable and indefensable death threats? come on, anyone who thinks they deserved death threats is off their rocker..

Huh? Seriously, do you even read people's posts anymore? Or yours before you hit submit?