In many references to the word enemy the word terrorist is brought into play and he in my opinion fell short of that. Unless he hasn't taken a vacation in the pass year he shouldn't care what or whom the President decides to play golf with the job of presidency is tough enough already everyone needs a break.
I've had disagreements with friends...I haven't had one with Michael Franti but I'm sure that day may come. I've had disagreements with you such as in the domestic violence scenerio....friends have their disagreements all the time that's what should build and makes friendship better over time.
Hank Jr can have all the fear, disappointment, distrust he wants things I feel and have just the same...just not on network tv or he'll suffer the consequences and in this case he certainly did. No hate intended.
peace
Terrorist is much more than enemy if I get what you are saying ... much much more.
He didn't care whom he played golf with... he was comparing the unlikely partnership
in my take.
No argument with consequences, as I've said, still think the song should play on.
Disagreement is different than attack though ... I see a lot of attacking.
What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.
He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
i don't believe that hank williams jr is conherent enough to provide such a nuanced excuse or clarification of his remarks that pandora was able to do so eloquently. the man can speak for and defend himself. he does not need any of us to make excuses for him or speak for him.
flat out, he called the president his enemy. there is only one way that you can interpret that. he has to deal with the consequences and repercussions of his own words.
I personally think someone should be able to call their President
their enemy without repercussions though ... just saying....
we all might need to be able to do so one day.
It can be called defense and excuses as you put my words, I prefer it be thought of as
an attempt at understanding another human being.
words for some come easy others not so much so especially when out of their element
as he clearly was
In many references to the word enemy the word terrorist is brought into play and he in my opinion fell short of that. Unless he hasn't taken a vacation in the pass year he shouldn't care what or whom the President decides to play golf with the job of presidency is tough enough already everyone needs a break.
I've had disagreements with friends...I haven't had one with Michael Franti but I'm sure that day may come. I've had disagreements with you such as in the domestic violence scenerio....friends have their disagreements all the time that's what should build and makes friendship better over time.
Hank Jr can have all the fear, disappointment, distrust he wants things I feel and have just the same...just not on network tv or he'll suffer the consequences and in this case he certainly did. No hate intended.
peace
Terrorist is much more than enemy if I get what you are saying ... much much more.
He didn't care whom he played golf with... he was comparing the unlikely partnership
in my take.
No argument with consequences, as I've said, still think the song should play on.
Disagreement is different than attack though ... I see a lot of attacking.
What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.
He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.
Peace
No no sorry I did not mean you sorry I meant in general in disagreements ...
attacking takes place which changes everything...sorry if I put that wrong :(
this thread there was a lot of personal attacks on Hank by many .. that changes things for me
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In many references to the word enemy the word terrorist is brought into play and he in my opinion fell short of that. Unless he hasn't taken a vacation in the pass year he shouldn't care what or whom the President decides to play golf with the job of presidency is tough enough already everyone needs a break.
I've had disagreements with friends...I haven't had one with Michael Franti but I'm sure that day may come. I've had disagreements with you such as in the domestic violence scenerio....friends have their disagreements all the time that's what should build and makes friendship better over time.
Hank Jr can have all the fear, disappointment, distrust he wants things I feel and have just the same...just not on network tv or he'll suffer the consequences and in this case he certainly did. No hate intended.
Terrorist is much more than enemy if I get what you are saying ... much much more.
He didn't care whom he played golf with... he was comparing the unlikely partnership
in my take.
No argument with consequences, as I've said, still think the song should play on.
Disagreement is different than attack though ... I see a lot of attacking.
What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.
He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.
Peace
No no sorry I did not mean you sorry I meant in general in disagreements ...
attacking takes place which changes everything...sorry if I put that wrong :(
this thread there was a lot of personal attacks on Hank by many .. that changes things for me
It's now understood....other folks have their opinions just like you or myself have ours. Let me add my main problem I had with this is that he can call the President just about....no he can call him ANYTHING he wants. However he HW Jr is a part of the media per say with his MNF jingle and said what he said on a media outlet Fox Network and that's the problem I have.
If you feel this badly towards the president then say ALL of this and more in private or they will be consequences. if he wasn't part of the media this probably wouldn't be a big deal in the big picture.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
to what you added g under p ...I bet he doesn't feel a part of the media
Yes well he may feel that way however, when you were paid by a media oulet as large as ESPN you then become part of said outlet whether he feels that way or not.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
to what you added g under p ...I bet he doesn't feel a part of the media
Yes well he may feel that way however, when you were paid by a media oulet as large as ESPN you then become part of said outlet whether he feels that way or not.
Peace
was he just getting paid for his song use ... what was his job title?
I looked it up but too much other gunk going on
he sure doesn't seem like he would be working for ESPN per say
I applaud Bocephus for speaking his mind, just as I appreciated PJ for speaking their mind about Bush (especially after seeing the PJ20 film's depiction of the band's classy response to the boos from the audience after "Bushleaguer"). Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter to me. Music is music, and politics are politics. If I let politics dictate the music I listen to, I'd listen to nothing but Ted Nugent (eh) and Toby Keith (ugh).
your post seems to be directed at Republicans saying that they are not as cool with insult
as the Democrats...
is that the jest of it? or am I wrong :?
So your post was then sarcasm .. the agreed part?
not good with that, I take most words at face value,
if I could see your eyes I would know though.
Personally I'm thinking both sides look incredibly childish.
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If you read my other messages... I am an equal opportunity critic. So, please... don't pin a political label on my lapel. I care to wear neither.
I am simply pointing out that people's opinions change based on the subject at hand. They are not objective in their views. I am going to venture to guess that a lot of the very same people who burned Dixie Chicks CDs for their words are probably the same ones who support Hank Williams, Jr. for his.
I was tolerant of the Dixie Chicks and am tolerant of Hank Williams, Jr. (as well as tolerant towards Nazi/KKK speak and Westboro Baptist Church speak) when it comes to Freedom of Speech. They all have the Constitutional right to speak out and even if I am diametrically opposed to their views and/or tactics... I will defend their right to do so.
But, what people need to understand... you may face repercussions for you free speech. The government didn't fire Hank Willians, Jr., ESPN(ABC) did. It was a business decision on their part.
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If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
If I were to say in my job "fags should all die", though it's within my legal right to do so, I'd probably be fired.
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Exactly. Not a First Amendment issue... a business decision.
Kinda like Walter in the coffee shop.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.
I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.
GWB WAS a liar.
However, I don't think there was a controversy surrounding the fallout.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.
I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.
dixie chicks did nothing of that sort and what happened to them was inexcusable and indefensable death threats? come on, anyone who thinks they deserved death threats is off their rocker..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.
I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.
dixie chicks did nothing of that sort and what happened to them was inexcusable and indefensable death threats? come on, anyone who thinks they deserved death threats is off their rocker..
Huh? Seriously, do you even read people's posts anymore? Or yours before you hit submit?
The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.
I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.
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I agree with you. It is laughable that people take shit so seriously just because it comes from a celebrity.
it is lame that people are upset with Hank Williams, Jr. (although that's not so much the case... more are upset with ESPN than Williams), just as it was lame for people to ban the Dixie Chicks... people to get up in arms over remarks made by Roseanne Barr... or idiots to get pissed off because Eddie Vedder 'impaled' Bush's head on a stick.
Seriously... fuck those lame people.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The fact that this is as big a deal as it is is funny. It was words and an analogy. Pretty stupid choice but still just some words.
I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.
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I agree with you. It is laughable that people take shit so seriously just because it comes from a celebrity.
it is lame that people are upset with Hank Williams, Jr. (although that's not so much the case... more are upset with ESPN than Williams), just as it was lame for people to ban the Dixie Chicks... people to get up in arms over remarks made by Roseanne Barr... or idiots to get pissed off because Eddie Vedder 'impaled' Bush's head on a stick.
Seriously... fuck those lame people.
I think it's ok if people that disagree get upset....I just wonder why it always has to come down to bannings and firings. That is stupid.
well I'm an independent and feel it is another loss of freedom of speech...
in this great country of freedoms
this because it is not politically correct
and I get image and sponsorship and consequence etc etc
but its a damn opening song and a damn cool one ...
betcha President Obama even likes it
in fact it would be a way cool President to stand up for him and say
hey man no hard feelings...
you are in the Great USA and have a right to your opinion and I really like your song
you good ole country boy you
Like that would ever happen in either party... we've lost the real joes long time ago...
we are at war with our own
This isn't really a free-speech issue. He is not facing any sort of government prosecution.
He made a comment that was very insensitive to many people. He has the right to his opinion, but others have the right to take actions towards him based on his opinion.
well I'm an independent and feel it is another loss of freedom of speech...
in this great country of freedoms
this because it is not politically correct
and I get image and sponsorship and consequence etc etc
but its a damn opening song and a damn cool one ...
betcha President Obama even likes it
in fact it would be a way cool President to stand up for him and say
hey man no hard feelings...
you are in the Great USA and have a right to your opinion and I really like your song
you good ole country boy you
Like that would ever happen in either party... we've lost the real joes long time ago...
we are at war with our own
This isn't really a free-speech issue. He is not facing any sort of government prosecution.
He made a comment that was very insensitive to many people. He has the right to his opinion, but others have the right to take actions towards him based on his opinion.
yes my statement says I get all that but still think his song should play
for me free speech goes way past the government .. it is a lifestyle and the basic right to speak
as some have said here his words were an analogy,
really blown out of proportion, no surprise there it is what people do best.
well I'm an independent and feel it is another loss of freedom of speech...
in this great country of freedoms
this because it is not politically correct
and I get image and sponsorship and consequence etc etc
but its a damn opening song and a damn cool one ...
betcha President Obama even likes it
in fact it would be a way cool President to stand up for him and say
hey man no hard feelings...
you are in the Great USA and have a right to your opinion and I really like your song
you good ole country boy you
Like that would ever happen in either party... we've lost the real joes long time ago...
we are at war with our own
This isn't really a free-speech issue. He is not facing any sort of government prosecution.
He made a comment that was very insensitive to many people. He has the right to his opinion, but others have the right to take actions towards him based on his opinion.
yes my statement says I get all that but still think his song should play
for me free speech goes way past the government .. it is a lifestyle and the basic right to speak
as some have said here his words were an analogy,
really blown out of proportion, no surprise there it is what people do best.
Comparing someone to Hitler is inexcusable.
If your employee made a insensitive comment to one of your customers, would you feel the same way?
yes my statement says I get all that but still think his song should play
for me free speech goes way past the government .. it is a lifestyle and the basic right to speak
as some have said here his words were an analogy,
really blown out of proportion, no surprise there it is what people do best.
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That's all fine and dandy... but it not up to you whether ESPN plays his song or not... ESPN gets to make the call on that one.
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Me? Personally?... I don't give a shit because I will watch the game if i feel the game is worth watching, not all that other crap ESPN tosses in (including the crappy intro).
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
This isn't really a free-speech issue. He is not facing any sort of government prosecution.
He made a comment that was very insensitive to many people. He has the right to his opinion, but others have the right to take actions towards him based on his opinion.
yes my statement says I get all that but still think his song should play
for me free speech goes way past the government .. it is a lifestyle and the basic right to speak
as some have said here his words were an analogy,
really blown out of proportion, no surprise there it is what people do best.
Comparing someone to Hitler is inexcusable.
If your employee made a insensitive comment to one of your customers, would you feel the same way?
I didn't hear him compare him to Hitler he compared the relationships of two men to two men
playing golf. He didn't say Obama was Hitler-like at all.
BUT using the H word is very unwise as we see... I do not condone that it is a sensitive
situation.
As I said before the most important message he had was he sees them, those in power,
as the enemy ... this idea is taking hold in our country.
the employee thing ...
no one answered my questions before
does he work at ESPN ?
does he have a job title or are they just using his song?
He doesn't seem like a commentator type :?
If it is just song I sure don't think that is an employee imo
yes my statement says I get all that but still think his song should play
for me free speech goes way past the government .. it is a lifestyle and the basic right to speak
as some have said here his words were an analogy,
really blown out of proportion, no surprise there it is what people do best.
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That's all fine and dandy... but it not up to you whether ESPN plays his song or not... ESPN gets to make the call on that one.
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Me? Personally?... I don't give a shit because I will watch the game if i feel the game is worth watching, not all that other crap ESPN tosses in (including the crappy intro).
of course totally agree with you
I was just stating my opinion, like you...
I didn't think they would use the song for Pandora thats a joke
is he an employee or are they just using his song? this is a crucial part of the story for me
the employee thing ...
no one answered my questions before
does he work at ESPN ?
does he have a job title or are they just using his song?
He doesn't seem like a commentator type :?
If it is just song I sure don't think that is an employee imo
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Think of it as a contractor... like the people who install carpeting.
If the carpet installers said stuff that personally pissed you off... would you get rid of them?
Same thing. The intro is a contracted spot that he gets paid for. The people at ESPN get to decide whether or not to use the intro (and pay him for it)... or not.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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What are talking about attacking since you seem to be speaking to me or is it somehow my style of disagreement. I disagree with someone you are a fan of NOTHING more. IF I'm I'm attacking Hank Williams Jr please point these out for me.
He paid the consequences for his remarks and ESPN made the call for his remarks and rightfully so.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
their enemy without repercussions though ... just saying....
we all might need to be able to do so one day.
It can be called defense and excuses as you put my words, I prefer it be thought of as
an attempt at understanding another human being.
words for some come easy others not so much so especially when out of their element
as he clearly was
attacking takes place which changes everything...sorry if I put that wrong :(
this thread there was a lot of personal attacks on Hank by many .. that changes things for me
It's now understood....other folks have their opinions just like you or myself have ours. Let me add my main problem I had with this is that he can call the President just about....no he can call him ANYTHING he wants. However he HW Jr is a part of the media per say with his MNF jingle and said what he said on a media outlet Fox Network and that's the problem I have.
If you feel this badly towards the president then say ALL of this and more in private or they will be consequences. if he wasn't part of the media this probably wouldn't be a big deal in the big picture.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
from a disagreement to a battle
Yes well he may feel that way however, when you were paid by a media oulet as large as ESPN you then become part of said outlet whether he feels that way or not.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I looked it up but too much other gunk going on
he sure doesn't seem like he would be working for ESPN per say
If you read my other messages... I am an equal opportunity critic. So, please... don't pin a political label on my lapel. I care to wear neither.
I am simply pointing out that people's opinions change based on the subject at hand. They are not objective in their views. I am going to venture to guess that a lot of the very same people who burned Dixie Chicks CDs for their words are probably the same ones who support Hank Williams, Jr. for his.
I was tolerant of the Dixie Chicks and am tolerant of Hank Williams, Jr. (as well as tolerant towards Nazi/KKK speak and Westboro Baptist Church speak) when it comes to Freedom of Speech. They all have the Constitutional right to speak out and even if I am diametrically opposed to their views and/or tactics... I will defend their right to do so.
But, what people need to understand... you may face repercussions for you free speech. The government didn't fire Hank Willians, Jr., ESPN(ABC) did. It was a business decision on their part.
Hail, Hail!!!
that song has been reworked hundreds of times and to say that it was "dated" is an understatement..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Exactly. Not a First Amendment issue... a business decision.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS8kv5-3WYY
I mean, it's not like he put the presidents head on a stick and called him a murderer and a liar.
However, I don't think there was a controversy surrounding the fallout.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Huh? Seriously, do you even read people's posts anymore? Or yours before you hit submit?
I agree with you. It is laughable that people take shit so seriously just because it comes from a celebrity.
it is lame that people are upset with Hank Williams, Jr. (although that's not so much the case... more are upset with ESPN than Williams), just as it was lame for people to ban the Dixie Chicks... people to get up in arms over remarks made by Roseanne Barr... or idiots to get pissed off because Eddie Vedder 'impaled' Bush's head on a stick.
Seriously... fuck those lame people.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think it's ok if people that disagree get upset....I just wonder why it always has to come down to bannings and firings. That is stupid.
This isn't really a free-speech issue. He is not facing any sort of government prosecution.
He made a comment that was very insensitive to many people. He has the right to his opinion, but others have the right to take actions towards him based on his opinion.
for me free speech goes way past the government .. it is a lifestyle and the basic right to speak
as some have said here his words were an analogy,
really blown out of proportion, no surprise there it is what people do best.
Comparing someone to Hitler is inexcusable.
If your employee made a insensitive comment to one of your customers, would you feel the same way?
That's all fine and dandy... but it not up to you whether ESPN plays his song or not... ESPN gets to make the call on that one.
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Me? Personally?... I don't give a shit because I will watch the game if i feel the game is worth watching, not all that other crap ESPN tosses in (including the crappy intro).
Hail, Hail!!!
playing golf. He didn't say Obama was Hitler-like at all.
BUT using the H word is very unwise as we see... I do not condone that it is a sensitive
situation.
As I said before the most important message he had was he sees them, those in power,
as the enemy ... this idea is taking hold in our country.
the employee thing ...
no one answered my questions before
does he work at ESPN ?
does he have a job title or are they just using his song?
He doesn't seem like a commentator type :?
If it is just song I sure don't think that is an employee imo
I was just stating my opinion, like you...
I didn't think they would use the song for Pandora
is he an employee or are they just using his song? this is a crucial part of the story for me
Think of it as a contractor... like the people who install carpeting.
If the carpet installers said stuff that personally pissed you off... would you get rid of them?
Same thing. The intro is a contracted spot that he gets paid for. The people at ESPN get to decide whether or not to use the intro (and pay him for it)... or not.
Hail, Hail!!!
How many people would still have their jobs after they voice their true opinions on air? Ya gotta wonder...