I look at good vs evil from a philosophical point of view and not a religious one. Rewards & punishment for good or evil are in this world - it's what we make of it.
I look at evil not as the opposite of good, which necessarily exists for good to exist, but more as a lack of good or a lack of love. And I see people as good and their actions, not the people themselves, as evil.
this is a very interesting point of view. do you care to elaborate? what makes a person good if their actions are not good or evil? i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective.
also i have noticed alot of people mixing god with religion which is not the same thing.
As I said if for one minute you knew without a doubt divine supernatural intervention
I have experienced would you be so quick to hurt me?
And even if you don't believe what business would it be of yours?
I am happy and at peace in my knowledge and do not care what non believers think.
And if there is someone out there that can relate and get something
from my experience that is wonderful and might make their world better.
I am involved in a discussion.
you entered discussion.
I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.
alrighty. :?
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i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective..
That is true. Though we do have some 'official' benchmarks as to what is 'bad' (maybe not always evil) in our laws and we are punished should we cross the line. I guess certain actions such as rape or murder could be considered evil by most. But then again, our every day actions are most probably seen very differently from 'the outside in'. What some people may think is 'good' others may think it's just normal. Same with 'evil'.
I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!
I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!
I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
Jeanwah, the older I get, the more I think having a lot of "luck" is a blessing though.
I look at good vs evil from a philosophical point of view and not a religious one. Rewards & punishment for good or evil are in this world - it's what we make of it.
I look at evil not as the opposite of good, which necessarily exists for good to exist, but more as a lack of good or a lack of love. And I see people as good and their actions, not the people themselves, as evil.
this is a very interesting point of view. do you care to elaborate? what makes a person good if their actions are not good or evil? i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective.
No, I mean that their actions can be good or bad, but that they, themselves, are good. I think people's souls (or whatever you want to call them) are just as good on the day they die as on the day they are born (and I don't believe babies are born evil). They may do bad things, but that doesn't make them bad people. (Though my ex-boyfriend almost changed my mind on that. ) Sorry, I'm not very good at explaining it right now.
I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
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just to be sure I got the definition
Subjective a ...relating to or determined by the mind as the subject of experience <subjective reality>
b ... characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind
c ... relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states
In my case my miracle was.... I would say... subjective based in reality as reality was the event.
Living proof existed of the miracle in our reality.
Very much like near death experiences that I have read about... fascinating
the documentation, the reality of events, the proof if one chooses to believe the proof.
As I said before choice is ours whether to believe or not.
Because someone doesn't believe would not change the truth I know to be.
As I would not presume someone should believe my truth.
Perhaps Jean you found your truth in your experience and no one needs to understand but you.
I feel this for me. It is the basis of who I am, how I live my life, my appreciation of the time
I have here and the peace I have found. It is wholly me! No pun intended
Everyone on their path will find their own beliefs through their life events,
they will find their truth
and that is pretty much undebatable.
The most important thing is Love, learn to love and accept everyone,
most especially those of different beliefs
I know through your accident you have come to that place
and you have been an inspiration for me and so many others here.
Your strength amazing, your spirit strong, your positivity contagious!
Thank you for that!
As I said if for one minute you knew without a doubt divine supernatural intervention
I have experienced would you be so quick to hurt me?
And even if you don't believe what business would it be of yours?
I am happy and at peace in my knowledge and do not care what non believers think.
And if there is someone out there that can relate and get something
from my experience that is wonderful and might make their world better.
I am involved in a discussion.
you entered discussion.
I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.
alrighty. :?
Well if responding means calling me names, misinterpreting what I say over and over to fit your purpose,
and putting me down for my beliefs even though I was not trying to push them on you or any other non believer...
I am involved in a discussion.
you entered discussion.
I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.
alrighty. :?
Well if responding means calling me names, misinterpreting what I say over and over to fit your purpose,
and putting me down for my beliefs even though I was not trying to push them on you or any other non believer...
it might be nice to just be ignored
I didn't call you names.
Misinterpretration is just as much the responsibility of those telling the story, as the ones listening. Just a thought.
I never put you down for your beliefs, or for anything else, for that matter.
I am here for honest, mature discussion.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!
hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant.
imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.
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hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant.
imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.
In science we often see chemical imbalances resulting in a state where the patient/person has the illusion of an after life or a feeling of whatever else. Or is it really just an illusion?
But truth is not really subjective, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair? If something happens, say five people see it, and all five have a different view of it, which one is correct about what happened? Of course it would depend on many factors, but it would still be one truth.
Curious, don't you seek truth? In anything, in everything? As everything has a truth. Now I know you care about the truth, as you no doubt don't want anyone to lie to you. right? Of course We may not want to hear the truth.
hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant.
imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.
In science we often see chemical imbalances resulting in a state where the patient/person has the illusion of an after life or a feeling of whatever else. Or is it really just an illusion?
But truth is not really subjective, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair? If something happens, say five people see it, and all five have a different view of it, which one is correct about what happened? Of course it would depend on many factors, but it would still be one truth.
Curious, don't you seek truth? In anything, in everything? As everything has a truth. Now I know you care about the truth, as you no doubt don't want anyone to lie to you. right? Of course We may not want to hear the truth.
'
truth is subjective in that the truth one person seeks isnt necessarily the truth another seeks. many people on this board seek truth through spirituality or religion... i dont. so their truth isnt my truth.
it is known the worst evidence for something is eye witness accounts. thats why evidence is relied upon that can be proven through froensic science.
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hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant. .
The afterlife is a concept which comforts people during their life, helps them deal with any trauma perhaps? Such as loss, a shit life ('it can't be that's all I'm here for - there must be something after'...), etc. Some think there must be another reason we are on this planet, that this life is only a beginning, waiting for something 'bigger'.
As I said before, god/religion/religious concept (which 'cross-over' with god without being organised religion) are a crutch for those who need it. It creates an illusion, a power taken out of our hands and put in 'higher' hands when necessary - shifted responsibility. Or, I guess a way to explain/justify what we consider the 'unexplainable' - 'it's god's will...' It's easier to say god this or god that in certain circumstances or certain times of our life as opposed to I this or I that.... My thoughts.
hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant. .
The afterlife is a concept which comforts people during their life, helps them deal with any trauma perhaps? Such as loss, a shit life ('it can't be that's all I'm here for - there must be something after'...), etc. Some think there must be another reason we are on this planet, that this life is only a beginning, waiting for something 'bigger'.
As I said before, god/religion/religious concept (which 'cross-over' with god without being organised religion) are a crutch for those who need it. It creates an illusion, a power taken out of our hands and put in 'higher' hands when necessary - shifted responsibility. Or, I guess a way to explain/justify what we consider the 'unexplainable' - 'it's god's will...' It's easier to say god this or god that in certain circumstances or certain times of our life as opposed to I this or I that.... My thoughts.
i think for a whole mass of people the thought that 'this' is all there is, is just too much of nothing, you know? its like theyre living a less than 'perfect' existence and they think surely theres more than this... surely 'this' cant be all my life will amount to. a reward for a shitty life lived graciously.. or perhaps not so graciously. or maybe they just expect more.
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hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant.
imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.
In science we often see chemical imbalances resulting in a state where the patient/person has the illusion of an after life or a feeling of whatever else. Or is it really just an illusion?
But truth is not really subjective, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair? If something happens, say five people see it, and all five have a different view of it, which one is correct about what happened? Of course it would depend on many factors, but it would still be one truth.
Curious, don't you seek truth? In anything, in everything? As everything has a truth. Now I know you care about the truth, as you no doubt don't want anyone to lie to you. right? Of course We may not want to hear the truth.
'
truth is subjective in that the truth one person seeks isnt necessarily the truth another seeks. many people on this board seek truth through spirituality or religion... i dont. so their truth isnt my truth.
it is known the worst evidence for something is eye witness accounts. thats why evidence is relied upon that can be proven through froensic science.
Right! right!, but everything has a truth is my point.
Of course, in regards to the eye witness accounts, you are correct for sure and I agree, but let's look at why eye witness accounts make for such poor evidence, as they are often mixed with, subjective viewing, based on (often) emotions and things in the sub conscious that fill the conscious mind. Plus some other factors of course, errr poor vision for one!
One does not really need to seek the truth via spiritual means or religious means, but the key is that they are still seeking the truth. But the truth does not change, it is what it is.
Truth is a positive, any truth. A lie is a negative, any lie. So as long as we are keeping the truth, telling the truth we are in the positive. Feel me?
e, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair?
Ultimate truth? From who's point of view? The theist? The atheist? The truly religious person? Anyone in between? There is no 'common' ultimate truth.
Let's say this, killing someone, pick up a gun and go shoot some random person, the truth is what? A thing we should not do, why?
Let's say, no one else would see it, know about it, we just for whatever reason want to feel what it's like to kill soneone. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is it wrong? Basic rule we know, don't hurt others. We know we all will die one day, this is an ultimate truth. As we know this life is transitory. That is the truth.
e, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair?
Ultimate truth? From who's point of view? The theist? The atheist? The truly religious person? Anyone in between? There is no 'common' ultimate truth.
Let's say this, killing someone, pick up a gun and go shoot some random person, the truth is what? A thing we should not do, why?
Let's say, no one else would see it, know about it, we just for whatever reason want to feel what it's like to kill soneone. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is it wrong? Basic rule we know, don't hurt others. We know we all will die one day, this is an ultimate truth. As we know this life is transitory. That is the truth.
It's not a point of view. correct?
well i dunno.. shooting a man in reno just to see him die seems to have a truth to it. its not mired by any motivation other than to know what its like. and once you know what its like.. theres your truth.
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Ultimate truth? From who's point of view? The theist? The atheist? The truly religious person? Anyone in between? There is no 'common' ultimate truth.
Let's say this, killing someone, pick up a gun and go shoot some random person, the truth is what? A thing we should not do, why?
Let's say, no one else would see it, know about it, we just for whatever reason want to feel what it's like to kill soneone. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is it wrong? Basic rule we know, don't hurt others. We know we all will die one day, this is an ultimate truth. As we know this life is transitory. That is the truth.
It's not a point of view. correct?[/quote]
well i dunno.. shooting a man in reno just to see him die seems to have a truth to it. its not mired by any motivation other than to know what its like. and once you know what its like.. theres your truth.[/quote]
Yes a desire to want to know what it's like. Yes. Like I said everything has a truth. Then again, we should forget about what it 'seems', just deal with what adds up.
Now, is it a good thing to do? Of course 'good', can be relative, but not when it comes to life and death, as this is all that their is. right? When we die, nothing else is around, when we die we die.
So you would agree that it is wrong to just go and kill someone,
well i dunno.. shooting a man in reno just to see him die seems to have a truth to it. its not mired by any motivation other than to know what its like. and once you know what its like.. theres your truth.
Yes a desire to want to know what it's like. Yes. Like I said everything has a truth. Then again, we should forget about what it 'seems', just deal with what adds up.
Now, is it a good thing to do? Of course 'good', can be relative, but not when it comes to life and death, as this is all that their is. right? When we die, nothing else is around, when we die we die.
So you would agree that it is wrong to just go and kill someone,
what id the person you kill is, unbeknownst to you, a serial killer.. does that make what you did any better? what if no one knew he was a serial killer? only he knew.. but his secret died with him. was killing him wrong?
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this is a very interesting point of view. do you care to elaborate? what makes a person good if their actions are not good or evil? i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective.
also i have noticed alot of people mixing god with religion which is not the same thing.
I am involved in a discussion.
you entered discussion.
I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.
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That is true. Though we do have some 'official' benchmarks as to what is 'bad' (maybe not always evil) in our laws and we are punished should we cross the line. I guess certain actions such as rape or murder could be considered evil by most. But then again, our every day actions are most probably seen very differently from 'the outside in'. What some people may think is 'good' others may think it's just normal. Same with 'evil'.
I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!
i named him Woody, i was 8.
Not a turtle analogy again!!!
You consider this a miracle?!
Jeanwah, the older I get, the more I think having a lot of "luck" is a blessing though.
No, I mean that their actions can be good or bad, but that they, themselves, are good. I think people's souls (or whatever you want to call them) are just as good on the day they die as on the day they are born (and I don't believe babies are born evil). They may do bad things, but that doesn't make them bad people. (Though my ex-boyfriend almost changed my mind on that.
I agree.
just to be sure I got the definition
Subjective
a ...relating to or determined by the mind as the subject of experience <subjective reality>
b ... characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind
c ... relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states
In my case my miracle was.... I would say... subjective based in reality as reality was the event.
Living proof existed of the miracle in our reality.
Very much like near death experiences that I have read about... fascinating
the documentation, the reality of events, the proof if one chooses to believe the proof.
As I said before choice is ours whether to believe or not.
Because someone doesn't believe would not change the truth I know to be.
As I would not presume someone should believe my truth.
Perhaps Jean you found your truth in your experience and no one needs to understand but you.
I feel this for me. It is the basis of who I am, how I live my life, my appreciation of the time
I have here and the peace I have found. It is wholly me! No pun intended
Everyone on their path will find their own beliefs through their life events,
they will find their truth
and that is pretty much undebatable.
The most important thing is Love, learn to love and accept everyone,
most especially those of different beliefs
I know through your accident you have come to that place
and you have been an inspiration for me and so many others here.
Your strength amazing, your spirit strong, your positivity contagious!
Thank you for that!
and putting me down for my beliefs even though I was not trying to push them on you or any other non believer...
it might be nice to just be ignored
I didn't call you names.
Misinterpretration is just as much the responsibility of those telling the story, as the ones listening. Just a thought.
I never put you down for your beliefs, or for anything else, for that matter.
I am here for honest, mature discussion.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Yes, God listened to me.
i remember that
imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
In science we often see chemical imbalances resulting in a state where the patient/person has the illusion of an after life or a feeling of whatever else. Or is it really just an illusion?
But truth is not really subjective, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair? If something happens, say five people see it, and all five have a different view of it, which one is correct about what happened? Of course it would depend on many factors, but it would still be one truth.
Curious, don't you seek truth? In anything, in everything? As everything has a truth. Now I know you care about the truth, as you no doubt don't want anyone to lie to you. right? Of course We may not want to hear the truth.
'
truth is subjective in that the truth one person seeks isnt necessarily the truth another seeks. many people on this board seek truth through spirituality or religion... i dont. so their truth isnt my truth.
it is known the worst evidence for something is eye witness accounts. thats why evidence is relied upon that can be proven through froensic science.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ultimate truth? From who's point of view? The theist? The atheist? The truly religious person? Anyone in between? There is no 'common' ultimate truth.
amen sister amen.
take a good look
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The afterlife is a concept which comforts people during their life, helps them deal with any trauma perhaps? Such as loss, a shit life ('it can't be that's all I'm here for - there must be something after'...), etc. Some think there must be another reason we are on this planet, that this life is only a beginning, waiting for something 'bigger'.
As I said before, god/religion/religious concept (which 'cross-over' with god without being organised religion) are a crutch for those who need it. It creates an illusion, a power taken out of our hands and put in 'higher' hands when necessary - shifted responsibility. Or, I guess a way to explain/justify what we consider the 'unexplainable' - 'it's god's will...' It's easier to say god this or god that in certain circumstances or certain times of our life as opposed to I this or I that.... My thoughts.
i think for a whole mass of people the thought that 'this' is all there is, is just too much of nothing, you know? its like theyre living a less than 'perfect' existence and they think surely theres more than this... surely 'this' cant be all my life will amount to. a reward for a shitty life lived graciously.. or perhaps not so graciously. or maybe they just expect more.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Right! right!, but everything has a truth is my point.
Of course, in regards to the eye witness accounts, you are correct for sure and I agree, but let's look at why eye witness accounts make for such poor evidence, as they are often mixed with, subjective viewing, based on (often) emotions and things in the sub conscious that fill the conscious mind. Plus some other factors of course, errr poor vision for one!
One does not really need to seek the truth via spiritual means or religious means, but the key is that they are still seeking the truth. But the truth does not change, it is what it is.
Truth is a positive, any truth. A lie is a negative, any lie. So as long as we are keeping the truth, telling the truth we are in the positive. Feel me?
Let's say this, killing someone, pick up a gun and go shoot some random person, the truth is what? A thing we should not do, why?
Let's say, no one else would see it, know about it, we just for whatever reason want to feel what it's like to kill soneone. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is it wrong? Basic rule we know, don't hurt others. We know we all will die one day, this is an ultimate truth. As we know this life is transitory. That is the truth.
It's not a point of view. correct?
well i dunno.. shooting a man in reno just to see him die seems to have a truth to it. its not mired by any motivation other than to know what its like. and once you know what its like.. theres your truth.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
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Let's say this, killing someone, pick up a gun and go shoot some random person, the truth is what? A thing we should not do, why?
Let's say, no one else would see it, know about it, we just for whatever reason want to feel what it's like to kill soneone. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is it wrong? Basic rule we know, don't hurt others. We know we all will die one day, this is an ultimate truth. As we know this life is transitory. That is the truth.
It's not a point of view. correct?[/quote]
well i dunno.. shooting a man in reno just to see him die seems to have a truth to it. its not mired by any motivation other than to know what its like. and once you know what its like.. theres your truth.[/quote]
Yes a desire to want to know what it's like. Yes. Like I said everything has a truth. Then again, we should forget about what it 'seems', just deal with what adds up.
Now, is it a good thing to do? Of course 'good', can be relative, but not when it comes to life and death, as this is all that their is. right? When we die, nothing else is around, when we die we die.
So you would agree that it is wrong to just go and kill someone,
what id the person you kill is, unbeknownst to you, a serial killer.. does that make what you did any better? what if no one knew he was a serial killer? only he knew.. but his secret died with him. was killing him wrong?
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