Religious Beliefs

markin ball

Jeanwah wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

When I was a little boy I believed in God, faeries, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Then one day I grew up.

I don't need the threat of some magic land of lava and pain called "hell" to keep me in line. The idea that you're constantly being watched by God and being judged... it's just a way to keep people scared. To control them.

Only man and their organized religions that they've created, believe the idea that we're being judged and punished. If that's what you believe, fine, but that way of thinking is right out of the religion books. Of course the religious leaders want to keep you scared...otherwise they wouldn't be leaders.

Maybe, maybe not. There are an infinite amount of explanations for "the white light". Maybe its an afterlife, maybe its your brain shutting down and neurons are firing in your visual cortex...who knows?

gimmesometruth27

i was raised catholic and was an alter boy and attended sunday school and yada yada yada, then i began to ask questions such as:

if god really loves us all why is there so much suffering in the world?

why can't priests get married? the ones i interacted with seemed like they would be good husbands and fathers..

why does church get to tell me who and what i should vote for and not have to pay taxes?

why is it a sin if i want to shag my girlfriend in the hotel on prom night?

why are we supposed to be against using condoms when aids is killing hundreds of thousands of people in africa?

and a few others....

for some reason people did not like that....

i am not anti religion, i am anti dogma, and i do not need to be converted to anything or be anything other than who i am.

EmBleve

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i was raised catholic and was an alter boy and attended sunday school and yada yada yada, then i began to ask questions such as:

if god really loves us all why is there so much suffering in the world?

why can't priests get married? the ones i interacted with seemed like they would be good husbands and fathers..

why does church get to tell me who and what i should vote for and not have to pay taxes?

why is it a sin if i want to shag my girlfriend in the hotel on prom night?

why are we supposed to be against using condoms when aids is killing hundreds of thousands of people in africa?

and a few others....

for some reason people did not like that....

i am not anti religion, i am anti dogma, and i do not need to be converted to anything or be anything other than who i am.

Hear hear!!!!!

keeponrockin

I don't believe in anything that can't be proven, so therefore I don't believe in god and heaven.

The Waiting Trophy Man

I'm a sun worshipper and I pray to Joe Pesci.

Idris

LikeAnOcean wrote:

There is no after life because "time" doesn't really exist. It is not a tangible thing. It is all relative to your conscious mind.

Like Einstein said, put hold your hand on a hot stove and it feels like forever. Talk to a pretty girl for an hour and it feels like seconds.

When you sleep, 8 hrs seems to disappear.. When you die, infiniti goes by. There is no time for an after life, because time is all relative. Why would anyone want to sit in heaven for infiniti, when they can make the best of what is going on now? Your consciousness will echo forever when you die.


That's my understanding, and I'm sticking with it.

And if there were some after life where you dream forever, there would be no heaven and hell because there would be no good and evil. Good and evil are human, physical traits. You can't kill, steal from something that doesn't have any physical properties. Think about it. Its retarded to make up a spirital world and then add good and evil to it. Unless you are trying to control and create fear in people.

The 'afterlife' is more real than the ground beneath your feet. But perhaps we should then call it 'hereafter',

I typed a few posts in this forum regarding consciousness, as it relates to everything, problems we have, every question we have, the nature of everything. The reality.

The problem, we have too much ego. Too much trash, too many lies.

Like you say, time is relative, to our conscious mind, so it (time as we know it) exists for people who have not raised or stayed above the level of conscious mind needed for it to collapse. Also, it's time and space.

Idris

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am not anti religion, i am anti dogma, and i do not need to be converted to anything or be anything other than who i am.

Exactly!!!, but...who are you?

One moment we are happy, the next moment, so angry. What is that? Who are we? When we find that out, we find the truth. Or at least, get closer to it.

Jeanwah

markin ball wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

When I was a little boy I believed in God, faeries, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Then one day I grew up.

I don't need the threat of some magic land of lava and pain called "hell" to keep me in line. The idea that you're constantly being watched by God and being judged... it's just a way to keep people scared. To control them.

Only man and their organized religions that they've created, believe the idea that we're being judged and punished. If that's what you believe, fine, but that way of thinking is right out of the religion books. Of course the religious leaders want to keep you scared...otherwise they wouldn't be leaders.

Maybe, maybe not. There are an infinite amount of explanations for "the white light". Maybe its an afterlife, maybe its your brain shutting down and neurons are firing in your visual cortex...who knows?

So true!
No one knows for sure. But the white light has been documented.

Idris

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't believe in anything that can't be proven, so therefore I don't believe in god and heaven.

Quite a bit of belief in that post,

If you can prove something, then belief is not really all that necessary. It becomes a fact, as it's been proven, but if a fact has not been proven yet, is it still a fact? Of course. Because what is, is.

Jeanwah

LikeAnOcean wrote:

That's my understanding, and I'm sticking with it.

This is what I find troubling. Refusal to contemplate one's beliefs, swearing that your mind will never change. As they say "“A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood”.

If we don't ever change our outlook in life, we don't evolve.

keeponrockin

MrAbraham wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't believe in anything that can't be proven, so therefore I don't believe in god and heaven.

Quite a bit of belief in that post,

If you can prove something, then belief is not really all that necessary. It becomes a fact, as it's been proven, but if a fact has not been proven yet, is it still a fact? Of course. Because what is, is.

But until it is proven, I won't think it's true until it is.

zarocat

I was raised roman catholic but by no means do I have season tickets. I appreciate it for what it can teach me about history. Faith in the power of love and in our consciousness I do carry with me. If a creator exists in the form of man, he'll still let me in even though I think organized religion is a joke, because my side of the street stays clean ... BIATCH!

If he doesn't want to let me in and directs me to Lucifer, i'll opt for the vampire option.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention ... organized religion can blow me.

Prince Of Dorkness

Jeanwah wrote:

No one knows for sure. But the white light has been documented.

other things that have been documented...

[*]The Lock Ness Monster
[*]Aliens in flying saucers
[*]Bigfoot
[*]Ogo Pogo
[*]The Yeti
[*]Elvis Presley living in Kalamazoo, Michigan

Idris

keeponrockin wrote:

MrAbraham wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

I don't believe in anything that can't be proven, so therefore I don't believe in god and heaven.

Quite a bit of belief in that post,

If you can prove something, then belief is not really all that necessary. It becomes a fact, as it's been proven, but if a fact has not been proven yet, is it still a fact? Of course. Because what is, is.

But until it is proven, I won't think it's true until it is.

Right! and has it not been proven? through out the ages? Even today? Now the question then becomes why do you think it has not been proven? Or do you know, it has not been proven? To which we direct the topic back to human consciousness.

The same things, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Plato, Enoch and the rest of the great figures of history have spoken about.

We see it all the time, if God exists, why do we have war? If God exists, why do bad things happen? Also what are these bad things?

Do you take part in them? If so why? If you do not, why? Also what is 'bad' (to a degree) is relative, but we will get into that soon no doubt.

keeponrockin

My point is, if someone said "I can walk on water", or "I can come back to life after dieing" I would need to see some solid proof. I view religion in the same way.

Idris

Jasunmark wrote:

When I was a little boy I believed in God, faeries, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Then one day I grew up.

I don't need the threat of some magic land of lava and pain called "hell" to keep me in line. The idea that you're constantly being watched by God and being judged... it's just a way to keep people scared. To control them.

You once believed in Santa? and the Easter bunny? Faeries? No wonder you don't think God exists

Why did you believe in all of those things? Including God, maybe someone told you these things existed right? Now at what point did you come to a realization that these things do not exist?

Because we know, and no reasonable person will say that the easter bunny and santa exists. But at the same time these same people may not be able to prove or disprove the existence of God, thus God does not exist.

When I was a kid, I believed in santa and god, but as I grew up, I found out santa was a lie, so god is a lie. It's just a level of control. (as you feel religion is)

You don't see a flaw in that logic?

Jeanwah

Jasunmark wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

No one knows for sure. But the white light has been documented.

other things that have been documented...

[*]The Lock Ness Monster
[*]Aliens in flying saucers
[*]Bigfoot
[*]Ogo Pogo
[*]The Yeti
[*]Elvis Presley living in Kalamazoo, Michigan

Jeanwah wrote:

There's so many widespread stories of near-death experiences, that it's getting quite difficult to deny that there is not an afterlife.

Yet if you followed what science and the bulk of the stories of near-death experiences have shown, you'd be likely to change your tune. It stops being religious and starts being a study of what actually happens.

So there's no guarantee that it IS afterlife, but it's not some Big Foot or alien random find. It's widely documented.

whygohome

I am a proud agnostic. People are a certain religion because their parents were and because of where they were born. A devout Christian in America, if born in India, would be a devout Hindu. There is absolutely no thought that goes into someone's religious "beliefs." There is a huge difference between beliefs and facts.

Religions are an interpretation of the unknowable. I look at religions as fairy tales and religious texts as works of fiction. We dismiss Greek Mythology so quickly, so what make Christianity, Judaism, Islam any different?

Religion is a joke.

Idris

keeponrockin wrote:

My point is, if someone said "I can walk on water", or "I can come back to life after dieing" I would need to see some solid proof. I view religion in the same way.

So if you saw someone walk on water, you would believe in God? Or If you saw Someone come back to life, you would believe in God?

Chris Angel walks on water and people have come back from the dead hrs after being pronounced dead. But for me that's hardly proof of God, I am, like you (I guess) a science/physics person. The math must add up, but what you are asking is, you want some else to show you the answer, yet do not yet have the grasp of the equation.

Now what would be the calculation? Human Nature and consciousness of course! the tools, ego, sound logic, reason etc.

Idris

whygohome wrote:

I am a proud agnostic. People are a certain religion because their parents were and because of where they were born. A devout Christian in America, if born in India, would be a devout Hindu. There is absolutely no thought that goes into someone's religious "beliefs." There is a huge difference between beliefs and facts.

Religions are an interpretation of the unknowable. I look at religions as fairy tales and religious texts as works of fiction. We dismiss Greek Mythology so quickly, so what make Christianity, Judaism, Islam any different?

Religion is a joke.

Perhaps we should not be so quick to dismiss Greek Mythology then? Because people do, how can you use that as an answer.

Remember, you care, as you said in another thread. So care! Be, and it is.

Break down each religion and you will see the common truth, to which we see, that it our lack of knowledge that corrupts our interpretation of religion.