Religious Beliefs

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    NO RELIGOUS BELEIFS#just believ religon should be outlawed as a collective thing.it only give power to the few. profit for the few
    death and destruction for many
    however I BELIEVE IN YOU !!!
    And I believe in you too!! :D
    that is a beautiful thought and all we really need.... thank you!
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    This reminds me of the next thing I was going to post here; it was a quote I read once that went something like this: "I would rather believe in God during life [note: not an organized religion] and die to find out that he doesn't exist than to live as if he doesn't exist only to die and find out that he does".
    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".
    :thumbup: me too EmBleve, me too
  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    God spelt backwards is Dog. Dogs are a loving animal. They show us unconditional love. What if god is in the form of all the dogs in the world to teach us how to love?What' that saying? All dogs go to heaven? Maybe it's a clue? What about "mans best friend"? Could be another hint? But if you don't love dogs you really don't love god and you go to hell and there will be no dogs. Just rats and snakes and spiders and centipedes.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    God spelt backwards is Dog. Dogs are a loving animal. They show us unconditional love. What if god is in the form of all the dogs in the world to teach us how to love?What' that saying? All dogs go to heaven? Maybe it's a clue? What about "mans best friend"? Could be another hint? But if you don't love dogs you really don't love god and you go to hell and there will be no dogs. Just rats and snakes and spiders and centipedes.
    that ending was very visual..I feel a little itchy :lol:

    I agree about dogs, have always felt a spiritual connection to them

    They are the best thing in my life over all as I have had one since I was born...
    55 years now and I will have one until the day I leave
    The love bond we share with them unique and I know I wouldn't feel right without it.

    I'm looking for clues too :D
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    God spelt backwards is Dog. Dogs are a loving animal. They show us unconditional love. What if god is in the form of all the dogs in the world to teach us how to love?What' that saying? All dogs go to heaven? Maybe it's a clue? What about "mans best friend"? Could be another hint? But if you don't love dogs you really don't love god and you go to hell and there will be no dogs. Just rats and snakes and spiders and centipedes.

    What do you call an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac?

















    Someone who stays up all night wondering if there really is a dog!
    :lol::lol: :oops: :D
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?
    funny I totally got it and it wasn't either what you guys said...hmmmm
  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    pandora wrote:
    that ending was very visual..I feel a little itchy :lol:

    I agree about dogs, have always felt a spiritual connection to them.They are the best thing in my life over all as I have had one since I was born...
    55 years now and I will have one until the day I leave
    The love bond we share with them unique and I know I wouldn't feel right without it.

    I'm looking for clues too :D

    Oh come off it, it was only a joke, lol. Just goes to show that religious beliefs are nutty. But I share your love of dogs. Well, most of them anyway.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?
    funny I totally got it and it wasn't either what you guys said...hmmmm

    Of course you did.
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?


    It's not believing for the 'wrong' reasons....It doesn't even say WHY I believe, does it?? In fact, it is a quote---not my exact words. You don't even know what that quote means to me, or how I interpret it, because I did not elaborate..I was just stating a quote. "Covering all options" is your interpretation of that quote, not mine. So please don't put words in my mouth.
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    No, it's not a 'back-up plan'. It is the recitation of a quote--without my personal interpretation of that quote. And whatever my interpretation (or anybody's for that matter), yes, to a certain extent, my beliefs do serve my personal need at the moment---and they serve a need through confidence and faith. It goes hand in hand.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    redrock wrote:

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?


    It's not believing for the 'wrong' reasons....It doesn't even say WHY I believe, does it?? In fact, it is a quote---not my exact words. You don't even know what that quote means to me, or how I interpret it, because I did not elaborate..I was just stating a quote. "Covering all options" is your interpretation of that quote, not mine. So please don't put words in my mouth.

    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.[/quote]

    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.

    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.[/quote]

    Nope but a discussion on religious beliefs - which is what this quote is all about god's existence. Of course you can read/understand this as you wish but maybe use your own words as it's very confusing since it's context is quite well known.

    So life is a gamble, I guess the 'afterlife' is one too.. as is your 'belief'?
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.

    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.

    Nope but a discussion on religious beliefs - which is what this quote is all about god's existence. Of course you can read/understand this as you wish but maybe use your own words as it's very confusing since it's context is quite well known.

    So life is a gamble, I guess the 'afterlife' is one too.. as is your 'belief'?[/quote]

    I don't even understand what you mean by that question; and who are you to have such a subtly sarcastic interrogative stance when you don't me, nor anything about me nor what I believe??.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.
    EmBleve wrote:
    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.

    Nope but a discussion on religious beliefs - which is what this quote is all about god's existence. Of course you can read/understand this as you wish but maybe use your own words as it's very confusing since it's context is quite well known.

    So life is a gamble, I guess the 'afterlife' is one too.. as is your 'belief'?
    EmBleve wrote:
    I don't even understand what you mean by that question; and who are you to have such an interrogative stance when you don't me, nor anything about me nor what I believe??.

    I'm just 'discussing' - you opened a door with a certain quote. You mention life is a gamble and, as the quote has to do about gambling on the existence of god, I'm just wondering if you also consider the afterlife a gamble and if your belief in god is based on this gamble. That's all. A discussion about beliefs in a Religious Beliefs thread.

    But it really doesn't matter if you answer or not and you can close this door. Let's do that if you feel more comfortable about it and not talk about the 'wager' anymore.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    EmBleve wrote:
    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    No, it's not a 'back-up plan'. It is the recitation of a quote--without my personal interpretation of that quote. And whatever my interpretation (or anybody's for that matter), yes, to a certain extent, my beliefs do serve my personal need at the moment---and they serve a need through confidence and faith. It goes hand in hand.

    Ok, I understand.
    It is just simply that I have heard that quote many times.. and usually it is posed as a question as to why I don't belive in a traditional christian God (i'm not saying you're doing this here though).

    I always hear this quote as "why dont you follow this, you've got nothing to lose?"

    But I understand that those who do believe in God in their hearts dont need this quote, but when thrown out or directed at atheists/agnostics, it takes a different connotation, and is actually a sad suggestion to one who doesnt believe. The old "you've got nothing to lose" (when suggested to the non-believers) is the last thing they want to hear, and is kinda degrading to them.
    I know this quote can be interpreted different ways though, and i'm not saying you did the latter, I was just curious what you and others thought of it on a bigger scale and how it can be interpreted by everyone.
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  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    I'm just 'discussing' - you opened a door with a certain quote. You mention life is a gamble and, as the quote has to do about gambling on the existence of god, I'm just wondering if you also consider the afterlife a gamble and if your belief in god is based on this gamble. That's all. A discussion about beliefs in a Religious Beliefs thread.

    But it really doesn't matter if you answer or not and you can close this door. Let's do that if you feel more comfortable about it and not talk about the 'wager' anymore.[/quote]

    I was just thinking that this began by my posting of that quote, and I questioned it when I posted it, but it went in line with the initial post that I responded to; the post just reminded me of it. I am not quite sure what you mean when you're asking me if I consider the afterlife a 'gamble'. When I was referring to life being a gamble, or a wager, I didn't mean in terms of a wager with God. I meant that every personal decision or move that is made in life is a gamble, a risk. Similarly, to love and to trust, is a risk. My posting of the quote has apparently created some confusion--it was more of an observation that I verbalized in relation to the other post.
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    EmBleve wrote:
    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    No, it's not a 'back-up plan'. It is the recitation of a quote--without my personal interpretation of that quote. And whatever my interpretation (or anybody's for that matter), yes, to a certain extent, my beliefs do serve my personal need at the moment---and they serve a need through confidence and faith. It goes hand in hand.

    Ok, I understand.
    It is just simply that I have heard that quote many times.. and usually it is posed as a question as to why I don't belive in a traditional christian God (i'm not saying you're doing this here though).

    I always hear this quote as "why dont you follow this, you've got nothing to lose?"

    But I understand that those who do believe in God in their hearts dont need this quote, but when thrown out or directed at atheists/agnostics, it takes a different connotation, and is actually a sad suggestion to one who doesnt believe. The old "you've got nothing to lose" (when suggested to the non-believers) is the last thing they want to hear, and is kinda degrading to them.
    I know this quote can be interpreted different ways though, and i'm not saying you did the latter, I was just curious what you and others thought of it on a bigger scale and how it can be interpreted by everyone.

    Thanks, and I certainly was NOT directing this towards anyone who does not believe in a 'traditional christian God', nor towards atheists, nor anyone else...that's not how I roll. :) I do not judge people for what they believe, nor do I try to throw anything to anyone in those terms. Check out my other response to redrock and this may explain why I posted that quote. On a bigger scale, (to me), it is kind of simplistic if I interpret it directly, and doesn't 'answer' any 'life questions' that I may have--and I am not in a position to suggest how it can be interpreted by 'everyone'. :)
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    --and I am not in a position to suggest how it can be interpreted by 'everyone'. :)

    I interpreted it as it was meant by Pascal because I studied him, but I realise that this being an international board maybe not that many people will have heard of or read Pascal (as one did in French schools when studying philosophy). Thus my confusion.

    Each can read what they want in it. Pascal certainly didn't mean for his wager to answer any of life's questions, on the contrary.
  • Soulfire42Soulfire42 Posts: 404
    A book I recommend to anyone on either the pro-religion or anti-religion side of the argument is "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. It does a pretty good job of laying out the arguments used by pro-religion people throughout history, why people find them compelling, and why they are not credible. It's also available in audio format and runs about 14 hours long.

    I've often been told by various religious people to read their book of choice to understand this or that. So I've often done just that and studied it. It is rare when I find a religious person who will take some time investigating a "book" of mine, such as a book by Dawkins. I've studied philosophy and anthropology for years. I find the beliefs of various people very interesting. I must also state that people gloss over real differences in religions way too easily.

    People are also very quick to say that people are free to believe what they want to believe or that people's religions are not a topic for critique or analysis. It is not beneficial to say that people have an inalienable right to believe what they want to believe because there are many outcomes possible from belief systems. Many of them are harmful and should be exposed as such. Some are beneficial, and should be exposed as such as well. Making discussion or challenge of religion taboo is a form of intellectual suicide.

    Sometimes it is eye-opening for people to simply look at a pie-chart of relious populations of the world to see that not one religion has a majority (over 50%). So no matter what way you slice it, if you go by various books there's going to be a lot of suffering in some form of hell one way or another.

    But really, I must again recommend "The God Delusion" to people so that whichever side of the argument you find yourself on, you'll have a fuller understanding of the subject at hand. It tackles some big topics in pretty understandable language for everyone who will give it a proper read/listen.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Pascal ....name sounds vaguely familiar
    must have been something there to remember from that long ago :mrgreen:

    I will enjoy googling later

    googling is really great...youtube too ;)
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    --and I am not in a position to suggest how it can be interpreted by 'everyone'. :)

    I interpreted it as it was meant by Pascal because I studied him, but I realise that this being an international board maybe not that many people will have heard of or read Pascal (as one did in French schools when studying philosophy). Thus my confusion.

    Each can read what they want in it. Pascal certainly didn't mean for his wager to answer any of life's questions, on the contrary.

    I was answering the other post, not yours when I mentioned life's questions, and I don't think that it was the purpose, either (as I said). And, no, I am no expert on French philosophy; I just took the language in high school and college, and I have a very dear friend from Nantes who is an atheist and is existentialist to the max. :lol:
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    that ending was very visual..I feel a little itchy :lol:

    I agree about dogs, have always felt a spiritual connection to them.They are the best thing in my life over all as I have had one since I was born...
    55 years now and I will have one until the day I leave
    The love bond we share with them unique and I know I wouldn't feel right without it.

    I'm looking for clues too :D

    Oh come off it, it was only a joke, lol. Just goes to show that religious beliefs are nutty. But I share your love of dogs. Well, most of them anyway.
    One thing I will tell you now I never ever know when someone is teasing if I can't see their eyes.

    I agree about some of the religious thoughts but feel, you know, to each their own.

    If it makes you feel good do it! ;)

    And I am looking for clues and I do have a spiritual connection to my beasts,

    fellow dog lover :D
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2011
    EmBleve wrote:

    I was answering the other post, not yours when I mentioned life's questions, and I don't think that it was the purpose, either (as I said). And, no, I am no expert on French philosophy; I just took the language in high school and college, and I have a very dear friend from Nantes who is an atheist and is existentialist to the max. :lol:

    Confusion again....

    Philosophy (whichever 'movement'/theory) questions, contrary to religion which dictates. (For those who say religion is not the same as god, I know - though you have to admit they are 'linked'!).
    Post edited by redrock on
  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    A friend of mine is catholic, like really catholic. I guess they're called practising catholics or devout catholics or whatever. They're super duper religious.Anyways, I try to tolerate it and not let it get in the way of our friendship but sometimes she says stuff that really make me question her sanity. For example, her and her husband are trying to have more kids. She's hoping, or I should say praying, to have twins. She said to me "we'll have to wait and see what god has planned for us." I felt like shaking her and screaming "God is not planning for you to have kids - you are!!" God's not going to plant a seed - they're going to go home and fuck until her husband puts one past the goalie! And praying to god is going to have just as much of an affect as praying to the Dude or Zeus. If it's gonna happen, it'll happen. You can't pray for it to happen any more than you can close your eyes, blow out the candles and wish for it to happen. It really bugs me. I believe "to each his own" to a certain extent. But this kind of talk is crazy to me. I really think that people like my friend have mental problems. Religious beliefs to me are a form of mental illness. It's fantasy. It's Santa Claus and the Easter bunny for grown ups who don't want to get real. And it's scary because they are reproducing and teaching their kids this shit! And I don't think it's harmless. I don't think it's necessarily okay to believe whatever you want because it makes people feel good or it gives them hope. It's false hope. And it keeps them on the outskirts of reality. I think people need to grow up, get real and face the facts (scientific facts). Put the bible away and buy a subscription to Discover magazine or something. (I'm not talking to anyone in here specifically, I just mean religious people in general). That is all. Please hold your applause.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
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