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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    satansbed wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I always think what terrible waste of a beautiful mind .... a blink of time
    where most everyone does nothing with it.... the time nor the mind

    for me, we travel on, this I feel, for me it's the only thing that makes any sense

    this blink of time is just that but the mind/ soul/ spirit/ energy

    well.... it lives on forever

    but time is an interesting, all together, different subject

    what if there really is no time.... what if everything is actually happening simultaneously
    like in dimensions

    I mean how can one know what will happen 48 hours later unless there is no time?

    Well unless there is divine intervention

    we can't know what will happen 48 hours later, only predict
    you've never experienced this ...one can know

    the knowledge comes to the subconscious mind ...no conscious prediction...
    how can that be?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    satansbed wrote:

    is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job
    hmmm...that depends on what His purpose is


    aah i see by your use of He that you believe there is a God.. with all your talk of spirituality i was beginning to wonder. 8-)
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  • redrock
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    pandora wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    we can't know what will happen 48 hours later, only predict
    you've never experienced this ...one can know

    the knowledge comes to the subconscious mind ...no conscious prediction...
    how can that be?

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2011
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    satansbed wrote:

    is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job
    hmmm...that depends on what His purpose is


    aah i see by your use of He that you believe there is a God.. with all your talk of spirituality i was beginning to wonder. 8-)

    And he is definitely male then! :mrgreen: As it has been said before, 'we' seem to transfer our values (physical or moral or emotional) on a 'being' to make it as we want, to sastisfy some need. But hey, if that is what one needs to get through life, fine.
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  • satansbed
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    pandora wrote:
    you've never experienced this ...one can know

    the knowledge comes to the subconscious mind ...no conscious prediction...
    how can that be?

    knowledge like what, are you talking about psychics???
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.

    When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.


    but nothing comes from nothing... there is always something. however believers will have us believe that with a metaphorical click of his fingers God brought the world, and mankind into being. you will have to forgive me if i find this premise ludicrous.
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  • catefrances
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    edited March 2011
    8-)
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  • catefrances
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    redrock wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    aah i see by your use of He that you believe there is a God.. with all your talk of spirituality i was beginning to wonder. 8-)

    And he is definitely male then! :mrgreen: As it has been said before, 'we' seem to transfer our values (physical or moral or emotional) on a 'being' to make it as we want, to sastisfy some need. But hey, if that is what one needs to get through life, fine.

    considering His lack of nurturing he could be nothing other than male.
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  • pandora
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    satansbed wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    you've never experienced this ...one can know

    the knowledge comes to the subconscious mind ...no conscious prediction...
    how can that be?

    knowledge like what, are you talking about psychics???
    ummm I don't think so :lol: :?

    but that would be a gas ;)
  • pandora
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    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    we can't know what will happen 48 hours later, only predict
    you've never experienced this ...one can know

    the knowledge comes to the subconscious mind ...no conscious prediction...
    how can that be?

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    No I don't think so,
    Nothing like what I've read of the description and examples...

    'the belief that any idea exclusively occupying the mind turns into reality'

    this is not the experience
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    satansbed wrote:

    is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job
    hmmm...that depends on what His purpose is


    aah i see by your use of He that you believe there is a God.. with all your talk of spirituality i was beginning to wonder. 8-)
    :? I believe in God and have never said otherwise
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    you've never experienced this ...one can know

    the knowledge comes to the subconscious mind ...no conscious prediction...
    how can that be?

    Auto suggestion.
    No I don't think so,
    Nothing like what I've read of the description and examples...

    'the belief that any idea exclusively occupying the mind turns into reality'

    this is not the experience

    Your subconscious is influenced by your conscious - whether you realise it or not. You do not have to 'consciously' believe that anything you think about becomes reality. It can be just a fleeting thought, etc.

    Loads of these 'divine interventions' have been readily explained 'scientifically'. Out of body experiences are not automatically going to the 'other side' and coming back - that kind of 'event' is well documented.

    Just read about a recent case of a young boy who has died and come back... you will see what auto suggestion is - quite a blatant case. Adults are probably more subtle in their descriptions.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    aah i see by your use of He that you believe there is a God.. with all your talk of spirituality i was beginning to wonder. 8-)
    :? I believe in God and have never said otherwise

    and so we reach an impasse where nothing you or i could say to each other could/would make one iota of difference to what is in each case a lifetime of discovery and realisation.
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  • pandora
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    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    No I don't think so,
    Nothing like what I've read of the description and examples...

    'the belief that any idea exclusively occupying the mind turns into reality'

    this is not the experience

    Your subconscious is influenced by your conscious - whether you realise it or not. You do not have to 'consciously' believe that anything you think about becomes reality. It can be just a fleeting thought, etc.

    Loads of these 'divine interventions' have been readily explained 'scientifically'. Out of body experiences are not automatically going to the 'other side' and coming back - that kind of 'event' is well documented.

    Just read about a recent case of a young boy who has died and come back... you will see what auto suggestion is - quite a blatant case. Adults are probably more subtle in their descriptions.

    Details... to the tee, that happen 48 hours after in real life ... doesn't sound like auto suggestion

    The conscious nor subconscious could not know these details because they have not happened

    unless
    time is not what we think it is or it is indeed divine intervention

    I think God is the very best of both genders :D
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:

    and so we reach an impasse where nothing you or i could say to each other could/would make one iota of difference to what is in each case a lifetime of discovery and realisation.
    woops yours was quoted wrong

    any who... but we are making a difference ...each day everybody interacting makes a difference :D
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    catefrances wrote:

    and so we reach an impasse where nothing you or i could say to each other could/would make one iota of difference to what is in each case a lifetime of discovery and realisation.
    woops yours was quoted wrong

    any who... but we are making a difference ...each day everybody interacting makes a difference :D


    colour me purple that im not perfect..... and never professed to be. quoting correctly on a message board isnt really a measure of anything i choose to value. but you already knew that im sure. ;)8-)
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    catefrances wrote:

    and so we reach an impasse where nothing you or i could say to each other could/would make one iota of difference to what is in each case a lifetime of discovery and realisation.
    woops yours was quoted wrong

    any who... but we are making a difference ...each day everybody interacting makes a difference :D


    colour me purple that im not perfect..... and never professed to be. quoting correctly on a message board isnt really a measure of anything i choose to value. but you already knew that im sure. ;)8-)
    I love purple and I meant no disrespect
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    I love purple and I meant no disrespect


    didnt think you did. 8-)
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  • redrock
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    pandora wrote:
    Details... to the tee, that happen 48 hours after in real life ... doesn't sound like auto suggestion

    The conscious nor subconscious could not know these details because they have not happened

    unless
    time is not what we think it is or it is indeed divine intervention

    Then one may be looking at biaised memories and other psychological occurrences (which have 'proper' names but I can't think of them). Quantum mechanics might also offer an explanation. Even space-time tunnels, which, maybe in the very, very distant future, might become reality.

    But if you wish to call it divine intervention even if there are numerous proven scientific causes for these 'interventions', that's fine if that's what makes you tick.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Details... to the tee, that happen 48 hours after in real life ... doesn't sound like auto suggestion

    The conscious nor subconscious could not know these details because they have not happened

    unless
    time is not what we think it is or it is indeed divine intervention

    Then one may be looking at biaised memories and other psychological occurrences (which have 'proper' names but I can't think of them). Quantum mechanics might also offer an explanation. Even space-time tunnels, which, maybe in the very, very distant future, might become reality.

    But if you wish to call it divine intervention even if there are numerous proven scientific causes for these 'interventions', that's fine if that's what makes you tick.

    Seeking the truth as all of us

    this can not be based in memory ...not in this lifetime

    Quantum mechanics ....

    just read that but where's the smilie that has something wiz over her head :? ;)

    Did not get that at all until I read this

    'The Everett many-worlds interpretation, formulated in 1956, holds that all the possibilities described by quantum theory simultaneously occur in a multiverse composed of mostly independent parallel universes.'


    If something happens in a parallel universe a period of time before....

    that can be grasped in a different universe, say mine....

    then that could explain it.

    Time tunnel would have to mean the subconscious could the travel without the body

    but that could explain it

    parallel universe...time tunnels ....it all seems far fetched but I guess could be

    and even with those possibilities ....

    God can be the why

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