Details... to the tee, that happen 48 hours after in real life ... doesn't sound like auto suggestion
The conscious nor subconscious could not know these details because they have not happened
unless
time is not what we think it is or it is indeed divine intervention
Then one may be looking at biaised memories and other psychological occurrences (which have 'proper' names but I can't think of them). Quantum mechanics might also offer an explanation. Even space-time tunnels, which, maybe in the very, very distant future, might become reality.
But if you wish to call it divine intervention even if there are numerous proven scientific causes for these 'interventions', that's fine if that's what makes you tick.
Seeking the truth as all of us
this can not be based in memory ...not in this lifetime
Quantum mechanics ....
just read that but where's the smilie that has something wiz over her head :?
Did not get that at all until I read this
'The Everett many-worlds interpretation, formulated in 1956, holds that all the possibilities described by quantum theory simultaneously occur in a multiverse composed of mostly independent parallel universes.'
If something happens in a parallel universe a period of time before....
that can be grasped in a different universe, say mine....
then that could explain it.
Time tunnel would have to mean the subconscious could the travel without the body
but that could explain it
parallel universe...time tunnels ....it all seems far fetched but I guess could be
and even with those possibilities ....
God can be the why
could parallel universes also explain deja vu?
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last night i was sitting on the sofa nd the toddlermonster came to me and asked if she could sit on my lap. after she climbed up she snuggled into me and said, i love you. i often wonder if a small child can grasp this concept of love.. do they know what it is.. what it means.. or do they have this overwhelming sense of feeling that they just label love? i find small children fascinating... especially the one that lives in the room next to mine.
i think that a large majority of childen that age know only the good side of love and trust. they have not been burned by any of it yet. they see it as the good thing that it is. i envy their innocence and purity. it is a shame that we lose that as we grow up.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
last night i was sitting on the sofa nd the toddlermonster came to me and asked if she could sit on my lap. after she climbed up she snuggled into me and said, i love you. i often wonder if a small child can grasp this concept of love.. do they know what it is.. what it means.. or do they have this overwhelming sense of feeling that they just label love? i find small children fascinating... especially the one that lives in the room next to mine.
i think that a large majority of childen that age know only the good side of love and trust. they have not been burned by any of it yet. they see it as the good thing that it is. i envy their innocence and purity. it is a shame that we lose that as we grow up.
yeah i agree.. tis as if its beaten out of us as we get older so that we can conform to what they want of us.
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take a good look
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You know, I typed a few posts about 'returning to innocence', a time before our ego, children are in that pure state, then things start to happen to them, and they start to lose that pure reality and fall into this matrix we all call life. When in reality, this world, is just a cover. And the TV, our leaders, the entire system is built to keep us away from the truth, the reality, all these machines, watching us, controlling. Turning us into machines. Bar coded and shipped out.
Children (like you know) are out of the matrix, they are in a true realm, a true state of mind or consciousness, but they are pulled out of it, by us, adults, our lies,our egos, or material creations, this world is all transitory. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Like the Rumi quote posted earlier, we create barriers/ego and we need to break them down, returning to the state of the true reality. Before the ego (like when we were children in a pure state of mind), but the greatest thing of all is when we are able to understand why we have those barriers/ego, not just being able to identify them, but to truly understand them and what created them. Connect the dots, see that algorithm of life. Then, touch the earth and 'awake' as the Buddha once said.
I do not deny my barriers/ego a place in my life. However, in having fully identified and understood my barriers/ego, acceptance of all things were revealed to me. I have learned I cannot deny the past's existence, no matter how much I analyze it. Even if an event happened 5 minutes ago, I cannot deny its existence...I can only accept it, or rectify it (which does not undo the event), and accept what happens next. It's the only way to move forward to enlightenment. The only reality I can only choose is how I act in the present moment. I am responsible for that because I accept my part, no matter how small it is.
"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment." ~ Buddha
Strange that you omitted where I stated: Whatever I choose to do, I have to accept my own actions. I am responsible for my life here, so I might as well use my energy to its fullest potential, regardless of who gave the energy initially.
To depend on the discovery of an IS to take ownership for my actions in my life is irresponsible.
“Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.” ~ Buddha
To touch on catefrances's point...I feel we are beaten into submission...once we accept that, only then can we see a way to rise up and rectify ourselves. We have to accept it as it is. When we don't, we stay in submission through denial, and our very own denial then holds us down, long after the oppression leaves us.
i think that a large majority of children that age know only the good side of love and trust.
I was not one of those kids. Truth. A reality I have accepted, and cannot deny. Right now, I have chosen that I can be an adult who knows, and gives, the good side of love and trust.
You know, I typed a few posts about 'returning to innocence', a time before our ego, children are in that pure state, then things start to happen to them, and they start to lose that pure reality and fall into this matrix we all call life. When in reality, this world, is just a cover. And the TV, our leaders, the entire system is built to keep us away from the truth, the reality, all these machines, watching us, controlling. Turning us into machines. Bar coded and shipped out.
Children (like you know) are out of the matrix, they are in a true realm, a true state of mind or consciousness, but they are pulled out of it, by us, adults, our lies,our egos, or material creations, this world is all transitory. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Like the Rumi quote posted earlier, we create barriers/ego and we need to break them down, returning to the state of the true reality. Before the ego (like when we were children in a pure state of mind), but the greatest thing of all is when we are able to understand why we have those barriers/ego, not just being able to identify them, but to truly understand them and what created them. Connect the dots, see that algorithm of life. Then, touch the earth and 'awake' as the Buddha once said.
I do not deny my barriers/ego a place in my life. However, in having fully identified and understood my barriers/ego, acceptance of all things were revealed to me. I have learned I cannot deny the past's existence, no matter how much I analyze it. Even if an event happened 5 minutes ago, I cannot deny its existence...I can only accept it, or rectify it (which does not undo the event), and accept what happens next. It's the only way to move forward to enlightenment. The only reality I can only choose is how I act in the present moment. I am responsible for that because I accept my part, no matter how small it is.
"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment." ~ Buddha
Strange that you omitted where I stated: Whatever I choose to do, I have to accept my own actions. I am responsible for my life here, so I might as well use my energy to its fullest potential, regardless of who gave the energy initially.
To depend on the discovery of an IS to take ownership for my actions in my life is irresponsible.
“Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.” ~ Buddha
To touch on catefrances's point...I feel we are beaten into submission...once we accept that, only then can we see a way to rise up and rectify ourselves. We have to accept it as it is. When we don't, we stay in submission through denial, and our very own denial then holds us down, long after the oppression leaves us.
Continue to enjoy your path to enlightenment, as it is said, Out beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing, there is a field, I'll meet you there.
im an atheist... God never enters the equation. so, no.
:shock: A W E S O M E!
The times a god enters into the equation is just as a troll or to close the case and leave ignorance live a little longer.
heres the thing.. we are entertained by tales of the greek Gods... so why is this singular God treated differently? why are the Greek myths just that, but the judeo-christian God is expected to be treated as something more. to me theyre all the same.. very very entertaining but not anything id swear to as fact. nor anything i could put my faith in as something other than a neat story. same goes for islam and buddhism. supernatural themes are filed away in the basement of the hoover building.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
im an atheist... God never enters the equation. so, no.
:shock: A W E S O M E!
The times a god enters into the equation is just as a troll or to close the case and leave ignorance live a little longer.
heres the thing.. we are entertained by tales of the greek Gods... so why is this singular God treated differently? why are the Greek myths just that, but the judeo-christian God is expected to be treated as something more. to me theyre all the same.. very very entertaining but not anything id swear to as fact. nor anything i could put my faith in as something other than a neat story. same goes for islam and buddhism. supernatural themes are filed away in the basement of the hoover building.
The only difference between greek gods and the judeo-xtian-muslin god is that some myths are more fun to read than other; a lot of stories of the greek/roman gods are 100 times more useful as moral lessons than the boring and jealous and always pissed j-x-m god, but some people don't want to hear that
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
The times a god enters into the equation is just as a troll or to close the case and leave ignorance live a little longer.
heres the thing.. we are entertained by tales of the greek Gods... so why is this singular God treated differently? why are the Greek myths just that, but the judeo-christian God is expected to be treated as something more. to me theyre all the same.. very very entertaining but not anything id swear to as fact. nor anything i could put my faith in as something other than a neat story. same goes for islam and buddhism. supernatural themes are filed away in the basement of the hoover building.
The only difference between greek gods and the judeo-xtian-muslin god is that some myths are more fun to read than other; a lot of stories of the greek/roman gods are 100 times more useful as moral lessons than the boring and jealous and always pissed j-x-m god, but some people don't want to hear that
when we go into war now we do so with the knowledge/hope/presumptive arrogance that God is on our side where in ancient greece, the Gods actively interfered.. waaaaaaaaay more fun. hey trojans!
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
when we go into war now we do so with the knowledge/hope/presumptive arrogance that God is on our side where in ancient greece, the Gods actively interfered.. waaaaaaaaay more fun. hey trojans!
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
I can google quotes too (and I'm sure one can google some that are completely contradictory but as the bible is a work of fiction, it doesn't really matter.)
"Exodus 17:16
He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."
Numbers 31:3
So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.
But then, it would seem, God declared a 'just' war. Is that OK then? Of course, one could argue that god doesn't 'make' war as he doesn't participate in battle, but he can sure initiate it.
I can google quotes too (and I'm sure one can google some that are completely contradictory but as the bible is a work of fiction, it doesn't really matter.)
"Exodus 17:16
He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."
Numbers 31:3
So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.
But then, it would seem, God declared a 'just' war. Is that OK then? Of course, one could argue that god doesn't 'make' war as he doesn't participate in battle, but he can sure initiate it.
I can google quotes too (and I'm sure one can google some that are completely contradictory but as the bible is a work of fiction, it doesn't really matter.)
"Exodus 17:16
He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."
Numbers 31:3
So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.
But then, it would seem, God declared a 'just' war. Is that OK then? Of course, one could argue that god doesn't 'make' war as he doesn't participate in battle, but he can sure initiate it.
I was going to my belief that it is not God who makes wars it is people who hate...
...A sign of ignorance and lack of compassion
I think you have just completely overlooked that these two passages of the bible (whether one believes in the 'good book' or not, it is the source reference for god) that it is written that god DID initiate war.. 'the LORD will be at war...', with revenge... As you say, a lack of compassion.
Also, there are many reasons people go to war, not just hate.
I was going to my belief that it is not God who makes wars it is people who hate...
...A sign of ignorance and lack of compassion
I think you have just completely overlooked that these two passages of the bible (whether one believes in the 'good book' or not, it is the source reference for god) that it is written that god DID initiate war.. 'the LORD will be at war...', with revenge... As you say, a lack of compassion.
Also, there are many reasons people go to war, not just hate.
I have never said I follow a religion nor believe in the bible as the word of God...
I believe in God
why can atheists not separate the two?
perhaps because they want to attack religion not God.
God is too abstract for them to attempt to discredit.
Too much unanswered unknown in the universes even for science.
of course there are many reasons people go to war.... not just religion
I can not prove He is there ..... you must have faith
you can not prove he is not there ..... nor can science
But we can love each other and not hate
God is Love .... God loves us all whether we believe or not
This is the concrete...it is Love for all not just those who believe as we do.
I have never said I follow a religion nor believe in the bible as the word of God...
I believe in God
why can atheists not separate the two?
perhaps because they want to attack religion not God.
God is too abstract for them to attempt to discredit...
Atheists can separate the two. Don't kid yourself, 'we' can understand too, you know. You said you believe in a christian god. The one and only source material that could show us there is a christian god (with his teachings and the afterlife) is this book. When the old testament (all about god, not jesus) was written, the christian 'worship' (for lack of better word) was not organised in a religion.
God is not an 'abstract' concept that atheists can't grasp. Really, god isn't even 'abstract'. On the contrary, god as you seem to refer to him in your posts has some very specific attributes (which seem to be just projections of one's desires/wants).
God is Love .... God loves us all whether we believe or not
This is the concrete...it is Love for all not just those who believe as we do.
Your desire for god's love is yours and yours only. Other theists may share this, but what you perceive as god's 'love' (a very human emotion) is totally irrelevant for atheists. There is nothing 'concrete' for those who do not believe all benevolent deity exists (as it would seem you do not wish to take the 'bad' with the good when it comes to god). Zero + zero still equals to zero. Again, quite patronising and preachy for atheists.
I was going to my belief that it is not God who makes wars it is people who hate...
...A sign of ignorance and lack of compassion
I think you have just completely overlooked that these two passages of the bible (whether one believes in the 'good book' or not, it is the source reference for god) that it is written that god DID initiate war.. 'the LORD will be at war...', with revenge... As you say, a lack of compassion.
Also, there are many reasons people go to war, not just hate.
I have never said I follow a religion nor believe in the bible as the word of God...
I believe in God
why can atheists not separate the two?
perhaps because they want to attack religion not God.
God is too abstract for them to attempt to discredit.
Too much unanswered unknown in the universes even for science.
of course there are many reasons people go to war.... not just religion
I can not prove He is there ..... you must have faith
you can not prove he is not there ..... nor can science
But we can love each other and not hate
God is Love .... God loves us all whether we believe or not
This is the concrete...it is Love for all not just those who believe as we do.
Never said I believe in a Christian God...this is what you say
God is abstract to atheists because if they take religion out of the equation they can not prove He doesn't exist.
There is nothing to attack this is obvious because you always return to religion when I am not a follower of religion.
Not talking about Gods love for you..I know better than that!
I am talking about loving each other whatever our beliefs..do you love me redrock?
as another human being no matter my beliefs?
I love you
You choose to insult and patronize me so much but you can't feel that...
what else aren't you feeling
Continue to enjoy your path to enlightenment, as it is said, Out beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing, there is a field, I'll meet you there.
I want to thank you for you point of view. By saying that, tells me you are a "right-fighter". You feel your belief is the correct way, and therefore above all others. I accept your beliefs because they give you what you require right now.
My beliefs are not based on right or wrong. To me, dwelling on the "why" would keep me in the space between denial and acceptance. I choose to accept things whichever way they are...right or wrong. By accepting, it has brought me to a place where I can practice compassion by recognizing where others are in the denial-acceptance spectrum. My beliefs are based on acceptance on things as they are, and through that acceptance, I find joy in even the darkest moment.
“We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves.” ~ Buddha
Thank you, Mr. Abraham. This has been enlightening.
Never said I believe in a Christian God...this is what you saying
Well then I apologise for my mistake but I was really under the impression that in a thread (maybe not this one) you did say you believed in a christian type god (as opposed to hindu, etc).
God is abstract to atheists because if they take religion out of the equation they can not prove He doesn't exist.
I'm impressed on how you can get into an atheists mind! Abstract has nothing to do about proving or not proving. 'Abstract' concepts 'exist' via our perception of concrete. If we didn't have a 'base' for these abstract concepts, they wouldn't exist (as our mind could not process what 'abstract' then could be). Others have said it in much better terms than this. Again, atheists do understand that religion is man made and anyone can claim anything is their 'god' and worship or not worship but believe it has some 'powers'.
I am talking about loving each other whatever our beliefs..do you love me redrock?
as another human being no matter my beliefs?
I love you
I don't know you Pandora so I would say, no I don't love you. At least in the sense that I think you may be taking it :? That doesn't mean I hate you either nor that I wouldn't help you get yourself back on your feet if you tripped in front of me. You are just one of millions and millions of people that I have no particular feeling for apart from normal 'humanity'. I guess, as you already mentioned, I am closed hearted.
My beliefs are not based on right or wrong. To me, dwelling on the "why" would keep me in the space between denial and acceptance. I choose to accept things whichever way they are...right or wrong. By accepting, it has brought me to a place where I can practice compassion by recognizing where others are in the denial-acceptance spectrum. My beliefs are based on acceptance on things as they are, and through that acceptance, I find joy in even the darkest moment.
Not questioning your beliefs or anything but a question. If one accepts things as they are (right or wrong), when they are wrong, does this acceptance not dampen an aspiration to make them right (or better)? Finding joy in dark times is comforting and a great way to find solace but then does this complete acceptance of it make one only focus on this 'glimmer' as opposed to trying to get light in this darkness?
Again, atheists do understand that religion is man made and anyone can claim anything is their 'god' and worship or not worship but believe it has some 'powers'.
If atheists are accepting believers and their religions as their own thing,
Then why the put down?
..if atheists believe we are cool believing
why all the slam talk towards the Bible, rituals, God being a dirtball
etc etc? Wouldn't you think they would be respectful of the beliefs
and not antagonize?
If atheists are cool with it why challenge one's beliefs at all?
I mean read through the threads
I didn't want to upset you by saying God loves you too...you don't want His love
and I meant love between humans.
No you don't have God's love. That helps you to love others whether you know them or not
even the millions and millions, even all of humanity. It helps you to not judge and
to keep your heart open to receive love too.
We are not alike ...I do not insult you
you think me preaching because you don't agree with my beliefs
If I were an atheist
you wouldn't call my words preaching or patronizing cause they would be your words too
I was an atheist as a young woman, probably why I get it.
My beliefs are not based on right or wrong. To me, dwelling on the "why" would keep me in the space between denial and acceptance. I choose to accept things whichever way they are...right or wrong. By accepting, it has brought me to a place where I can practice compassion by recognizing where others are in the denial-acceptance spectrum. My beliefs are based on acceptance on things as they are, and through that acceptance, I find joy in even the darkest moment.
Not questioning your beliefs or anything but a question. If one accepts things as they are (right or wrong), when they are wrong, does this acceptance not dampen an aspiration to make them right (or better)? Finding joy in dark times is comforting and a great way to find solace but then does this complete acceptance of it make one only focus on this 'glimmer' as opposed to trying to get light in this darkness?
No it does not dampen the aspiration. It puts me in a place where I can choose I to move forward or not. Take for instance when a loved one passes away. Should I not accept that they are gone and then celebrate how they lived, as opposed denying their passing and to continue to mourn the way they suffered and passed on? By doing choosing to do the first action, it brings the "glimmer" into the darkness as the light.
No one has to understand/analyze why I do this. I was just sharing my belief in life. Isn't that what this thread was about? I accept everyone has their own way, and to scrutinize everyone else's beliefs is to belittle them. I accept other's beliefs have equal value to my own, as they serve the same purpose for each of us as individuals. I accept that I can learn from them too.
No it does not dampen the aspiration. It puts me in a place where I can choose I to move forward or not. Take for instance when a loved one passes away. Should I not accept that they are gone and then celebrate how they lived, as opposed denying their passing and to continue to mourn the way they suffered and passed on? By doing choosing to do the first action, it brings the "glimmer" into the darkness as the light..
Ah OK... Now that you explain it that way, I understand. I was just thinking a different kind of 'darkness'.
No one has to understand/analyze why I do this. I was just sharing my belief in life. Isn't that what this thread was about? I accept everyone has their own way, and to scrutinize everyone else's beliefs is to belittle them.
I seemed to have offended you :? - I wasn't trying to analyse or scrutinise or anything else, just a question on how one deals with 'acceptance'.
No it does not dampen the aspiration. It puts me in a place where I can choose I to move forward or not. Take for instance when a loved one passes away. Should I not accept that they are gone and then celebrate how they lived, as opposed denying their passing and to continue to mourn the way they suffered and passed on? By doing choosing to do the first action, it brings the "glimmer" into the darkness as the light..
Ah OK... Now that you explain it that way, I understand. I was just thinking a different kind of 'darkness'.
yes, I can totally understand that example about when someone dies and acceptance in those terms. But what about issues that someone feels extremely passionate about? For example, myself, it would be animal abuse. I just cannot take and no matter how I may try to 'accept' it, I simply cannot. I guess the answer would be to do what I can about it and after that it's really out of my hands..so that would be the acceptance?? Just wondering..
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could parallel universes also explain deja vu?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yeah i agree.. tis as if its beaten out of us as we get older so that we can conform to what they want of us.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I do not deny my barriers/ego a place in my life. However, in having fully identified and understood my barriers/ego, acceptance of all things were revealed to me. I have learned I cannot deny the past's existence, no matter how much I analyze it. Even if an event happened 5 minutes ago, I cannot deny its existence...I can only accept it, or rectify it (which does not undo the event), and accept what happens next. It's the only way to move forward to enlightenment. The only reality I can only choose is how I act in the present moment. I am responsible for that because I accept my part, no matter how small it is.
"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment." ~ Buddha
Strange that you omitted where I stated:
Whatever I choose to do, I have to accept my own actions. I am responsible for my life here, so I might as well use my energy to its fullest potential, regardless of who gave the energy initially.
To depend on the discovery of an IS to take ownership for my actions in my life is irresponsible.
“Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.” ~ Buddha
To touch on catefrances's point...I feel we are beaten into submission...once we accept that, only then can we see a way to rise up and rectify ourselves. We have to accept it as it is. When we don't, we stay in submission through denial, and our very own denial then holds us down, long after the oppression leaves us.
could parallel universes also explain deja vu?[/quote]
how about a combo?
I was not one of those kids. Truth. A reality I have accepted, and cannot deny. Right now, I have chosen that I can be an adult who knows, and gives, the good side of love and trust.
im an atheist... God never enters the equation. so, no.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Continue to enjoy your path to enlightenment, as it is said, Out beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing, there is a field, I'll meet you there.
.
:shock: A W E S O M E!
The times a god enters into the equation is just as a troll or to close the case and leave ignorance live a little longer.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
heres the thing.. we are entertained by tales of the greek Gods... so why is this singular God treated differently? why are the Greek myths just that, but the judeo-christian God is expected to be treated as something more. to me theyre all the same.. very very entertaining but not anything id swear to as fact. nor anything i could put my faith in as something other than a neat story. same goes for islam and buddhism. supernatural themes are filed away in the basement of the hoover building.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The only difference between greek gods and the judeo-xtian-muslin god is that some myths are more fun to read than other; a lot of stories of the greek/roman gods are 100 times more useful as moral lessons than the boring and jealous and always pissed j-x-m god, but some people don't want to hear that
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
when we go into war now we do so with the knowledge/hope/presumptive arrogance that God is on our side where in ancient greece, the Gods actively interfered.. waaaaaaaaay more fun. hey trojans!
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
People share love .... through God
I can google quotes too (and I'm sure one can google some that are completely contradictory but as the bible is a work of fiction, it doesn't really matter.)
"Exodus 17:16
He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."
Numbers 31:3
So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them.
But then, it would seem, God declared a 'just' war. Is that OK then? Of course, one could argue that god doesn't 'make' war as he doesn't participate in battle, but he can sure initiate it.
Some do. A lot don't need a god to love and share their love.
God, through a shared belief system brings many together in love...
a real plus for the religions of the world.
I was going to my belief that it is not God who makes wars it is people who hate...
believers or nonbelievers
that people have freedom of choice and some choose to hate others
and judge them unfairly for their beliefs.... non believers or believers
A sign of ignorance and lack of compassion
I think you have just completely overlooked that these two passages of the bible (whether one believes in the 'good book' or not, it is the source reference for god) that it is written that god DID initiate war.. 'the LORD will be at war...', with revenge... As you say, a lack of compassion.
Also, there are many reasons people go to war, not just hate.
I believe in God
why can atheists not separate the two?
perhaps because they want to attack religion not God.
God is too abstract for them to attempt to discredit.
Too much unanswered unknown in the universes even for science.
of course there are many reasons people go to war.... not just religion
I can not prove He is there ..... you must have faith
you can not prove he is not there ..... nor can science
But we can love each other and not hate
God is Love .... God loves us all whether we believe or not
This is the concrete...it is Love for all not just those who believe as we do.
Atheists can separate the two. Don't kid yourself, 'we' can understand too, you know. You said you believe in a christian god. The one and only source material that could show us there is a christian god (with his teachings and the afterlife) is this book. When the old testament (all about god, not jesus) was written, the christian 'worship' (for lack of better word) was not organised in a religion.
God is not an 'abstract' concept that atheists can't grasp. Really, god isn't even 'abstract'. On the contrary, god as you seem to refer to him in your posts has some very specific attributes (which seem to be just projections of one's desires/wants).
Your desire for god's love is yours and yours only. Other theists may share this, but what you perceive as god's 'love' (a very human emotion) is totally irrelevant for atheists. There is nothing 'concrete' for those who do not believe all benevolent deity exists (as it would seem you do not wish to take the 'bad' with the good when it comes to god). Zero + zero still equals to zero. Again, quite patronising and preachy for atheists.
I said 'not just hate' - a difference. Not everything in this world is about god and religion.
Never said I believe in a Christian God...this is what you say
God is abstract to atheists because if they take religion out of the equation they can not prove He doesn't exist.
There is nothing to attack this is obvious because you always return to religion when I am not a follower of religion.
Not talking about Gods love for you..I know better than that!
I am talking about loving each other whatever our beliefs..do you love me redrock?
as another human being no matter my beliefs?
I love you
You choose to insult and patronize me so much but you can't feel that...
what else aren't you feeling
and of course many reasons for war...none of them good enough
I want to thank you for you point of view. By saying that, tells me you are a "right-fighter". You feel your belief is the correct way, and therefore above all others. I accept your beliefs because they give you what you require right now.
My beliefs are not based on right or wrong. To me, dwelling on the "why" would keep me in the space between denial and acceptance. I choose to accept things whichever way they are...right or wrong. By accepting, it has brought me to a place where I can practice compassion by recognizing where others are in the denial-acceptance spectrum. My beliefs are based on acceptance on things as they are, and through that acceptance, I find joy in even the darkest moment.
“We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves.” ~ Buddha
Thank you, Mr. Abraham. This has been enlightening.
Well then I apologise for my mistake but I was really under the impression that in a thread (maybe not this one) you did say you believed in a christian type god (as opposed to hindu, etc).
I'm impressed on how you can get into an atheists mind!
:? Umm... I'm a bit confused here... "God is Love .... God loves us all whether we believe or not". So god doesn't love me then? Bummer...
I don't know you Pandora so I would say, no I don't love you. At least in the sense that I think you may be taking it :? That doesn't mean I hate you either nor that I wouldn't help you get yourself back on your feet if you tripped in front of me. You are just one of millions and millions of people that I have no particular feeling for apart from normal 'humanity'. I guess, as you already mentioned, I am closed hearted.
I guess we're not that different then. But let's not get into a slanging match
God's love?
Not questioning your beliefs or anything but a question. If one accepts things as they are (right or wrong), when they are wrong, does this acceptance not dampen an aspiration to make them right (or better)? Finding joy in dark times is comforting and a great way to find solace but then does this complete acceptance of it make one only focus on this 'glimmer' as opposed to trying to get light in this darkness?
If atheists are accepting believers and their religions as their own thing,
Then why the put down?
..if atheists believe we are cool believing
why all the slam talk towards the Bible, rituals, God being a dirtball
etc etc? Wouldn't you think they would be respectful of the beliefs
and not antagonize?
If atheists are cool with it why challenge one's beliefs at all?
I mean read through the threads
I didn't want to upset you by saying God loves you too...you don't want His love
and I meant love between humans.
No you don't have God's love. That helps you to love others whether you know them or not
even the millions and millions, even all of humanity. It helps you to not judge and
to keep your heart open to receive love too.
We are not alike ...I do not insult you
you think me preaching because you don't agree with my beliefs
If I were an atheist
you wouldn't call my words preaching or patronizing cause they would be your words too
I was an atheist as a young woman, probably why I get it.
No it does not dampen the aspiration. It puts me in a place where I can choose I to move forward or not. Take for instance when a loved one passes away. Should I not accept that they are gone and then celebrate how they lived, as opposed denying their passing and to continue to mourn the way they suffered and passed on? By doing choosing to do the first action, it brings the "glimmer" into the darkness as the light.
No one has to understand/analyze why I do this. I was just sharing my belief in life. Isn't that what this thread was about? I accept everyone has their own way, and to scrutinize everyone else's beliefs is to belittle them. I accept other's beliefs have equal value to my own, as they serve the same purpose for each of us as individuals. I accept that I can learn from them too.
Ah OK... Now that you explain it that way, I understand. I was just thinking a different kind of 'darkness'.
I seemed to have offended you :? - I wasn't trying to analyse or scrutinise or anything else, just a question on how one deals with 'acceptance'.