but merely to seek and find all of the barriers within yourself
that you have built against it.
Do you know what barriers Rumi is speaking about? The ego, the same thing Buddha, Plato, Zoroaster and many others through out history have spoken about. Once those barriers are not just dropped, but understood. We can awake to the reality.
People talking about does this exist, does that exist. All we need to do is lose the ego, everyone, don't get so angry, when things start to bother you, trace it back. Find the truth.
Slowly, stage by stage, strip away the ego, the self, let go, do good and let go.
You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.
Do you know what barriers Rumi is speaking about? The ego, the same thing Buddha, Plato, Zoroaster and many others through out history have spoken about. Once those barriers are not just dropped, but understood. We can awake to the reality.
People talking about does this exist, does that exist. All we need to do is lose the ego, everyone, don't get so angry, when things start to bother you, trace it back. Find the truth.
Slowly, stage by stage, strip away the ego, the self, let go, do good and let go.
You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.
That's it, so easy
Nice way to put it
Rod Laver Arena - Feb 18, 2003
Rod Laver Arena - Nov 13, 2006
Adelaide Oval - Nov 17, 2009
Etihad Stadium - Nov 20, 2009
BDO Melbourne - Jan 24, 2014
New York - May 02 - 2016
You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.
That's it, so easy
dig it, Mr A.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".
There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.
As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...
When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".
There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.
As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...
When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".
There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.
As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...
This is so true, but should we care about the years outside of our ability to perceive?
Rod Laver Arena - Feb 18, 2003
Rod Laver Arena - Nov 13, 2006
Adelaide Oval - Nov 17, 2009
Etihad Stadium - Nov 20, 2009
BDO Melbourne - Jan 24, 2014
New York - May 02 - 2016
When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".
There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.
As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...
What are you basing your beliefs upon?
Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.
When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".
There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.
As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...
What are you basing your beliefs upon?
Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.
People discount others who know what lies after death....
in their opinion, there is not supporting scientific proof of an afterlife so that makes
what they believe untrue.
Near death experience and other phenomenon have given some people knowledge of the fact there is a continuation after death.
That there is a soul or complex energy and consciousness that leaves the body and travels on.
Religion is our human history.
Who is to say that thousands of years ago
miracles did not happen when this phenomenon happens everyday.
But what it comes down to is this ....
you can not argue Faith, either you have it or you don't.
Those without can not understand that it is as meaningful as scientific proof.
It's not a matter of arrogance
it is a matter of Faith and there is as much knowledge in what we feel as what we know
from facts based only in science.
i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.
everyone has their own truth...it speaks to the heart...that is where it lives
to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart
and trust
"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."
i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.
everyone has their own truth...it speaks to the heart...that is where it lives
to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart
and trust
"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."
— Abraham Lincoln
:roll:
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.
everyone has their own truth...it speaks to the heart...that is where it lives
to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart
and trust
"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."
Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.
I would make the argument that science only goes so far.
When you strip science down to it's very bottom, it cannot explain how something comes from nothing. It cannot explain how the infinite universe came to be, how atoms came from nothing, how the very building blocks of life itself came to be.
Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.
I would make the argument that science only goes so far.
When you strip science down to it's very bottom, it cannot explain how something comes from nothing. It cannot explain how the infinite universe came to be, how atoms came from nothing, how the very building blocks of life itself came to be.
Science only goes so far.
Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.
When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.
Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.
When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.
yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion
yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion
Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.
yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion
Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.
is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job
Science is fascinating to me. As equally fascinating as religious/spiritual beliefs.
Something from nothing. Interesting point. Isn't that what Quantum Physics is doing with the neutrino? It is the smallest particle has no mass and no charge. It weighs nothing. On a technicality, it is nothing. The Law of Conservation of Mass says the mass of substances produced by a chemical reaction is always equal to the mass of the reacting substances, so how does a neutrino come to exist from nothing and no reaction? It just does. We need to believe something had to make it...and we need to prove it's existence...why don't we just don't accept it as it is? That is the question, really.
It doesn't matter what we believe. As long as we do. Even not believing in anything is our belief. If you believe in science, you have faith. If you believe in any religion, you have faith. If you believe in nothing, you have faith. Belief itself is faith, because it give us hope in something, anything, everything and sometimes nothing. Hope keeps us moving toward something good. Without it, we are aimlessly wandering. That's my belief.
I beleive in Dinosaurs, Darwin and the Carbon14 dating system. If there is a god, it may be a lot bigger than we perceive in religon where we reduce it to act human, look human and worry about human things. There could be an almighty entity that really doesn't give a shit if you get to date that girl or whether that team will win.
Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.
When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.
Okay, what made god? How did god come from nothing?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion
Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.
How else would everything be after a gazillion years of trial and error and the system balancing itself? There doesn't need to be a god for that to make sense at all. Kind of like a great big free market!
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion
Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.
How else would everything be after a gazillion years of trial and error and the system balancing itself? There doesn't need to be a god for that to make sense at all. Kind of like a great big free market!
Exactly, people like to think everything was created in an hour and a half. It's hard for us humans to comprehend the amount of time for things to mutate and evolve or die out. If there was a prefect order then we would have weather, weather is just the atmosphere trying to regulate itself...
Troglodytes obviously evolved without the concepts of time, conscious mind, and purpose into what we are now. Time, mind and purpose play no factor in Nature, from Nature's standpoint. Nature just is. Nature doesn't struggle to grow, develop, or evolve. Nature just happens. It's our current society that puts importance on the concepts of time, mind and purpose. For what reason? To give us power and importance over Nature. We lose sight that we are part of Nature, not above it. It's the same reason why we need to define "the almighty entity". We need to have proof we are not just animals in Nature, following the evolutionary blueprint of "survival of the fittest". So, if we are following the blueprint of Nature, what's wrong with that?
Besides, what betterment will that give us to know exactly what the "the almighty entity" is? "It" would not react differently if we knew what or who "it" was. It would remain the same, as always. However, we would change, knowing what "it" is...but the question then becomes would the world be better, or worse even? What would we do then?
Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.
but don't you think both stances require a certain amount, some would say the same amount, of faith? you can say that you can't accept that the perfect order was an accident, some would say I have a very hard time accepting that a supreme being who came from nowhere did it. it's pretty much the same thing, except only one group admits they don't know for sure.
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but don't you think both stances require a certain amount, some would say the same amount, of faith? you can say that you can't accept that the perfect order was an accident, some would say I have a very hard time accepting that a supreme being who came from nowhere did it. it's pretty much the same thing, except only one group admits they don't know for sure.
It doesn't matter what we believe. As long as we do. Even not believing in anything is our belief. If you believe in science, you have faith. If you believe in any religion, you have faith. If you believe in nothing, you have faith. Belief itself is faith, because it give us hope in something, anything, everything and sometimes nothing. Hope keeps us moving toward something good. Without it, we are aimlessly wandering. That's my belief.
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Do you know what barriers Rumi is speaking about? The ego, the same thing Buddha, Plato, Zoroaster and many others through out history have spoken about. Once those barriers are not just dropped, but understood. We can awake to the reality.
People talking about does this exist, does that exist. All we need to do is lose the ego, everyone, don't get so angry, when things start to bother you, trace it back. Find the truth.
Slowly, stage by stage, strip away the ego, the self, let go, do good and let go.
You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.
That's it, so easy
Nice way to put it
Rod Laver Arena - Nov 13, 2006
Adelaide Oval - Nov 17, 2009
Etihad Stadium - Nov 20, 2009
BDO Melbourne - Jan 24, 2014
New York - May 02 - 2016
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dig it, Mr A.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.
As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...
What are you basing your beliefs upon?
This is so true, but should we care about the years outside of our ability to perceive?
Rod Laver Arena - Nov 13, 2006
Adelaide Oval - Nov 17, 2009
Etihad Stadium - Nov 20, 2009
BDO Melbourne - Jan 24, 2014
New York - May 02 - 2016
Powered by Pearl Jam
Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.
in their opinion, there is not supporting scientific proof of an afterlife so that makes
what they believe untrue.
Near death experience and other phenomenon have given some people knowledge of the fact there is a continuation after death.
That there is a soul or complex energy and consciousness that leaves the body and travels on.
Religion is our human history.
Who is to say that thousands of years ago
miracles did not happen when this phenomenon happens everyday.
But what it comes down to is this ....
you can not argue Faith, either you have it or you don't.
Those without can not understand that it is as meaningful as scientific proof.
It's not a matter of arrogance
it is a matter of Faith and there is as much knowledge in what we feel as what we know
from facts based only in science.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart
and trust
"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."
— Abraham Lincoln
:roll:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I would make the argument that science only goes so far.
When you strip science down to it's very bottom, it cannot explain how something comes from nothing. It cannot explain how the infinite universe came to be, how atoms came from nothing, how the very building blocks of life itself came to be.
Science only goes so far.
Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.
yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion
Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.
is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job
Something from nothing. Interesting point. Isn't that what Quantum Physics is doing with the neutrino? It is the smallest particle has no mass and no charge. It weighs nothing. On a technicality, it is nothing. The Law of Conservation of Mass says the mass of substances produced by a chemical reaction is always equal to the mass of the reacting substances, so how does a neutrino come to exist from nothing and no reaction? It just does. We need to believe something had to make it...and we need to prove it's existence...why don't we just don't accept it as it is? That is the question, really.
It doesn't matter what we believe. As long as we do. Even not believing in anything is our belief. If you believe in science, you have faith. If you believe in any religion, you have faith. If you believe in nothing, you have faith. Belief itself is faith, because it give us hope in something, anything, everything and sometimes nothing. Hope keeps us moving toward something good. Without it, we are aimlessly wandering. That's my belief.
PJ: 2011-09-03 2011-09-04
if there is a purpose
Okay, what made god? How did god come from nothing?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
where most everyone does nothing with it.... the time nor the mind
for me, we travel on, this I feel, for me it's the only thing that makes any sense
this blink of time is just that but the mind/ soul/ spirit/ energy
well.... it lives on forever
but time is an interesting, all together, different subject
what if there really is no time.... what if everything is actually happening simultaneously
like in dimensions
I mean how can one know what will happen 48 hours later unless there is no time?
Well unless there is divine intervention
How else would everything be after a gazillion years of trial and error and the system balancing itself? There doesn't need to be a god for that to make sense at all. Kind of like a great big free market!
"With our thoughts we make the world"
we can't know what will happen 48 hours later, only predict
Exactly, people like to think everything was created in an hour and a half. It's hard for us humans to comprehend the amount of time for things to mutate and evolve or die out. If there was a prefect order then we would have weather, weather is just the atmosphere trying to regulate itself...
PJ: 2011-09-03 2011-09-04
Besides, what betterment will that give us to know exactly what the "the almighty entity" is? "It" would not react differently if we knew what or who "it" was. It would remain the same, as always. However, we would change, knowing what "it" is...but the question then becomes would the world be better, or worse even? What would we do then?
but don't you think both stances require a certain amount, some would say the same amount, of faith? you can say that you can't accept that the perfect order was an accident, some would say I have a very hard time accepting that a supreme being who came from nowhere did it. it's pretty much the same thing, except only one group admits they don't know for sure.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Like I said earlier