Religious Beliefs

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  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    EmBleve wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    iluvcats wrote:
    to those saying they are agnostic or aethiest (I really don't know the difference.)

    Save your prayers for those who believe in them - might work better ;)

    Sorry, but regardless of the subject matter, is THIS comment not patronizing??

    are you talking to redrock, who said to save your prayers? I didn't care that he said it to me.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Paul David wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    b] faith is not taught it is found and not all people need to find it.
    [/b]
    Our paths take us to the things we need in this life, it is there we find fulfillment,
    different for everyone

    we FINALLY understand each other.
    :D
    this has always been my feelings,

    always has been about individual needs and freedoms.

    I would like to focus on love and compassion more than religious beliefs

    to love each other no matter of our differences..to respect and to be kind

    then I will know people have understanding
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    [Obviously it seems to have 'hit a nerve' with someone else as well. He was just a bit more gentle with his retort
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    And, also not trying to start an argument or be an asshole, but I really hope nobody is praying for me. ;)
    [/quote]

    Yes, I noticed that. :) Was just making the observation re: patronizing. No offense. Actually, it is a bit condescending to me, too, but it's like, okay.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    [??[/quote]

    are you talking to redrock, who said to save your prayers? I didn't care that he said it to me.[/quote]

    Yes, I was.
  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    would you rather I name a vood doo doll after you and stick pins in it? ;) I think my mom is a witch, I could get her to do it!
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  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    .I know I do believe in God, though. .

    But which god? A christian type of god? Or a supernatural being in which one takes 'refuge'? Is religion not god's relevation?

    Yes, for all intents and purposes, a christian type of god. But now, to really blow your mind, I also find validity in aspects of belief in nature worship, and buddhism. I also believe that Bigfoot might exist, in ghosts, and in some psychic phenomenon. I'm a straight-up space cadet. Proud of it. :lol: :thumbup: Oh, and I tee-totally believe in Pearl Jam.
  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    EmBleve wrote:
    [??

    are you talking to redrock, who said to save your prayers? I didn't care that he said it to me.[/quote]

    Yes, I was.[/quote]

    it's hard to clean up the quotes on here, I noticed! you can only have so many embedded....
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    8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
    10/10 - Brad in B'more
  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?
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    8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
    10/10 - Brad in B'more
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    If they've told you they are non-believers, then yes it is.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    iluvcats wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    [??

    are you talking to redrock, who said to save your prayers? I didn't care that he said it to me.

    Yes, I was.[/quote]

    it's hard to clean up the quotes on here, I noticed! you can only have so many embedded....[/quote]

    Yes, I have trouble with it!! :)
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    No, not to me. Same as if somebody told me that when my mom was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago, or when my cat died. Context...
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    EmBleve wrote:
    Faith is not a cop out. And it's not a scientific concept.

    Right, it's belief in an outdated concept centered around a fictional supernatural being that controls our destiny. In other words, ignorance.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    If they've told you they are non-believers, then yes it is.

    yes, also agreed. Somebody may think it, but don't share it. Please and thank you . :)
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    edited March 2011
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    Faith is not a cop out. And it's not a scientific concept.

    Right, it's belief in an outdated concept centered around a fictional supernatural being that controls our destiny. In other words, ignorance.

    your opinion....and it's befitting that you use the word 'ignorance' in your 'definition' of faith.
    Post edited by EmBleve on
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    pandora wrote:
    And then there is Pearl Jam! the only religion some of us need! :D

    Amen, lol
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I saw the title and didn't even open this thread(till now) cause I know where these topics end up but I saw this line in an E mail and thought it might fit here,if not please accept my apologies.

    "If Muslims can pray on Madison Avenue, why are Christians banned from praying in public schools ?"

    Godfather.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    If they've told you they are non-believers, then yes it is.
    Really :? is that not sort of a slap in the face to someone showing compassion and love for another


    got to get it while you can anyway you can when its love

    condescending
    showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others


    sending love and prayers for a healthy outcome is not patronizing or superior
    is a supportive loving gesture to another human being

    seems like love gets lost in this mess and it is all that really matters in the end
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    no. saying it in that context is meaning "I hope you and your family get better". saying it in the other context, the one being thrown around in this thread and previously in other religion threads is "I am praying for your un-pure soul".

    THAT is condescending. it's like saying to someone "man, my life is better than yours, I really hope you learn how to turn it around and make it better", when in reality, your life is no better than mine at all. Just different.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    pandora wrote:
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    If they've told you they are non-believers, then yes it is.
    Really :? is that not sort of a slap in the face to someone showing compassion and love for another


    got to get it while you can anyway you can when its love

    condescending
    showing or characterized by a patronizing or superior attitude toward others


    sending love and prayers for a healthy outcome is not patronizing or superior
    is a supportive loving gesture to another human being

    seems like love gets lost in this mess and it is all that really matters in the end

    You don't have to pray for someone to show them love and compassion. Just tell them you love them and are thinking about them and hope they get better.

    There are some good lessons from the bible. Like treat others how you want to be treated. It's a good philosophy to have. But you don't need to do it because the bible says you should. You should do it because it's the right thing to do. It's just being a decent human being.

    You shouldn't pray for them if they are not religious (I suppose you could do it without telling them - what they don't know can't hurt them).
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Godfather. wrote:
    I saw the title and didn't even open this thread(till now) cause I know where these topics end up but I saw this line in an E mail and thought it might fit here,if not please accept my apologies.

    "If Muslims can pray on Madison Avenue, why are Christians banned from praying in public schools ?"

    Godfather.

    christians aren't banned from praying in public schools. teachers are banned from INSTRUCTING the kids to pray in schools. you don't see Muslims forcing passers-by to get down on their knees on madison avenue praying to their god, do you?

    Religion is a PRIVATE practice done by those who choose to do so.
    Schools are PUBLIC free of all secular teachings.
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    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014

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