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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    redrock wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I have a questions. when we talk about a "god" what does that mean to everyone? Are we talking of god of Socrates, Einstein or the catholic church etc? are we talking about the unmoved mover, the big bang theory.

    Einstein's 'version' of god wouldn't be a very 'loving and compassionate' one!

    who cares! we are talking about existence of god not the characteristics of god.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    edited March 2011
    EmBleve wrote:
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    Faith is not a cop out. And it's not a scientific concept.

    Right, it's belief in an outdated concept centered around a fictional supernatural being that controls our destiny. In other words, ignorance.

    your opinion....and it's befitting that you use the word 'ignorance' in your 'definition' of faith.

    I see you edited your post. First you said "your opinion" and left it at that. Then you added a rebuttal. So here's mine: I don't think I'm ignorant at all about "their" belief system. I know everything I need to know and I don't have to prove to you (because you defended the person who told me I had to prove it) why blind faith and allegiance to an invisible, man-made thing is complete foolishness.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Paul David wrote:
    interesting, as I have been thinking about this very question recently, and I guess I could say that maybe I do believe in a god, and that would be the force of nature. that being said, it's completely random and has no power over the beings that live under its umbrella.
    fife wrote:
    I have a questions. when we talk about a "god" what does that mean to everyone? Are we talking of god of Socrates, Einstein or the catholic church etc? are we talking about the unmoved mover, the big bang theory.

    I find that most people when talking about god have a narrow view of what god means. most people humanize god, give god human characteristics like judging or creating or controlling. and that's maybe not what god is.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2011
    iluvcats wrote:
    would you rather I name a vood doo doll after you and stick pins in it? ;) I think my mom is a witch, I could get her to do it!

    A few of my friends are Wicca and I have observed voodoo rituals....

    I would rather you do nothing unless invited to. Thank you.

    When my husband was between life and death for many weeks/months, all my friends supported me. Some prayed (to all gods of all faiths, it would seem), some cast spells and others had their own rituals (a shaman, a 'healer', etc.). As they know we don't believe god exists or believe that prayers have any power whatsoever, they all asked if it was OK (eg, was it OK to ask the priest and the congregation to pray and have a mass for my husband, etc.) and said it would help THEM get through these hard times. Of course it's OK, as long as they didn't expect us to listen, partake or even pretend we thought it was beneficial. Note the 'it helped THEM' - that's how they dealt with this trauma. Not how I dealt with it - but it made them feel better, so I let them. To be honest, I had other things on my mind.

    People meaningless saying 'we pray for you' or 'I'll pray for soul' in a way that suggests 'we will help you redeem yourself' is really not cool.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    part of me thinks this:

    why is it that we have tossed aside every other antiquated notion that has come up pre-modern era, except the concept of God? to me, it's because we NEED him. human nature needs hope to cling to, that this isn't all there is.

    honestly, and the most important reason we keep god amongst us, and I say this with extreme caution, a godless world would be hopeless world. if 75% of the human race had no consequences to fear, they'd run fucking wild.

    we need most of the human population to fear SOMETHING.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    it's hard to un-learn all those years of brainwa......um, church-going. ;)
    fife wrote:
    I find that most people when talking about god have a narrow view of what god means. most people humanize god, give god human characteristics like judging or creating or controlling. and that's maybe not what god is.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    redrock wrote:
    People meaningless saying 'we pray for you' or 'I'll pray for soul' in a way that suggests 'we will help you redeem yourself' is really not cool.

    eggs-fucking-zactly.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    fife wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I have a questions. when we talk about a "god" what does that mean to everyone? Are we talking of god of Socrates, Einstein or the catholic church etc? are we talking about the unmoved mover, the big bang theory.

    Einstein's 'version' of god wouldn't be a very 'loving and compassionate' one!

    who cares! we are talking about existence of god not the characteristics of god.

    We are but in this thread are people not talking about having a loving, compassionate god? All forgiving, etc.? If these same people came to realise one day that perhaps their god is vengeful, angry, etc., would they still feel the same? Would they still call this other, possibly supernatural being god?

    Reading through the posts, most people seem to relate to a somewhat christian type god, though most seem to reject the religious aspect of god.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Right, it's belief in an outdated concept centered around a fictional supernatural being that controls our destiny. In other words, ignorance.[/quote][/quote]

    I hope you don't take this personally as i don't mean to offend but you have a narrow view of how people view god. you are right that some see god as their protector as such but other don't so i think calling them ignorant is not correct.
  • nuffingman
    nuffingman Posts: 3,014
    Paul David wrote:
    part of me thinks this:

    why is it that we have tossed aside every other antiquated notion that has come up pre-modern era, except the concept of God? to me, it's because we NEED him. human nature needs hope to cling to, that this isn't all there is.

    honestly, and the most important reason we keep god amongst us, and I say this with extreme caution, a godless world would be hopeless world. if 75% of the human race had no consequences to fear, they'd run fucking wild.

    we need most of the human population to fear SOMETHING.
    To me that says it all.
  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    iluvcats wrote:
    so, if a person is on the All Encompassing Trip....and they post that their ________(insert relationship/spouse/teacher, etc.) has cancer and x months to live. And so if someone replies that they are praying for them, is that condescending?

    If they've told you they are non-believers, then yes it is.

    well, I have never noticed that the original posters stated that they are non believers when they posted that their teacher or loved one was going to die.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    redrock wrote:
    People meaningless saying 'we pray for you' or 'I'll pray for soul' in a way that suggests 'we will help you redeem yourself' is really not cool.

    I know what you're saying. Another catholic friend (I seem to have a few) of mine recently made her status on facebook "sending thoughts and prayers to the people of Japan". I wanted to comment so bad, but I ignored it to avoid hurting her feelings or starting something. But I felt like saying Instead of sending thoughts and prayers why don't you send something tangible, like donations - something that will actually help the people of Japan. Again it's this crazy belief that prayers have some kind of magical force behind them, when they are nothing but empty gestures that do absolutely nothing to help at all. Human beings have to make these things happen. But I guess it's easier for some people to update their facebook status from their cellphones and pretend they're doing something that helps and that they are good people.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Einstein's 'version' of god wouldn't be a very 'loving and compassionate' one![/quote]

    who cares! we are talking about existence of god not the characteristics of god.[/quote]

    We are but in this thread are people not talking about having a loving, compassionate god? All forgiving, etc.? If these same people came to realise one day that perhaps their god is vengeful, angry, etc., would they still feel the same? Would they still call this other, possibly supernatural being god?

    Reading through the posts, most people seem to relate to a somewhat christian type god, though most seem to reject the religious aspect of god.[/quote]

    I think your right, thats the problem. so many confuse existence with characteristics.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    fife wrote:
    Right, it's belief in an outdated concept centered around a fictional supernatural being that controls our destiny. In other words, ignorance.
    [/quote]

    I hope you don't take this personally as i don't mean to offend but you have a narrow view of how people view god. you are right that some see god as their protector as such but other don't so i think calling them ignorant is not correct.[/quote]

    I'm not offended in the least.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Paul David wrote:
    part of me thinks this:

    why is it that we have tossed aside every other antiquated notion that has come up pre-modern era, except the concept of God? to me, it's because we NEED him. human nature needs hope to cling to, that this isn't all there is.

    honestly, and the most important reason we keep god amongst us, and I say this with extreme caution, a godless world would be hopeless world. if 75% of the human race had no consequences to fear, they'd run fucking wild.

    we need most of the human population to fear SOMETHING.

    BRAVO! They need to add a clapping, smiley guy icon!!
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    you guys are champion "quoters."

    In our replies, we should be able to embed 6-10 quotes, right?
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

    BRAVO! They need to add a clapping, smiley guy icon!!

    Like him? :clap::mrgreen:
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    redrock wrote:
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

    BRAVO! They need to add a clapping, smiley guy icon!!

    Like him? :clap::mrgreen:

    Yes!! :clap: Lol, I didn't know you could do that. I didn't see it amongst the icons on the right of the screen.
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    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    no more than 3. and it took me a long fucking time to figure the quoting thing. I still don't know how people quote several different posters in one post.
    iluvcats wrote:
    you guys are champion "quoters."

    In our replies, we should be able to embed 6-10 quotes, right?
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  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    Paul David wrote:
    no more than 3. and it took me a long fucking time to figure the quoting thing. I still don't know how people quote several different posters in one post.
    iluvcats wrote:
    you guys are champion "quoters."

    In our replies, we should be able to embed 6-10 quotes, right?

    it's annoying, no more than 3. same for private messages.
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