Project #8 - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live

tremors

myra wrote:

tremors wrote:

Myra and I were just having a bit of a Cropduster session. Incredible how they can get so many different emotions coming out of different performances of the same song - I just listened to four versions, and one was kinda questioning, one comforting, one aggressive, and one kind of twisted!

I also liked the Phoenix version of Cropduster a lot - along with myra - she's got good ears!!

Nicely put, I couldn't pinpoint what was different among those versions, just, you know 'something's different in the mood'

I'm not bothered with the version we have now, but I'm no Cropduster specialist and if it needs changing, yeah, I'll go with Pheonix. Liked that one !!

Actually, when I listened through today I enjoyed the current Cropduster a lot - so I don't know yet.....

The song I am having problems with currently though is Can't Keep - since I've switched to my mp3 player rather than speakers - all the other songs sound fine in the main, but on Can't Keep the solo guitar is going right through me - it is screeching so much, that it is almost making the song unlistenable.

I don't know if this is just me, I could try a different player - but sometimes the mp3 player with headphones gives a very different version of the song. Currently though, this song is giving me a headache! :(

myra

tremors wrote:

myra wrote:

tremors wrote:

Myra and I were just having a bit of a Cropduster session. Incredible how they can get so many different emotions coming out of different performances of the same song - I just listened to four versions, and one was kinda questioning, one comforting, one aggressive, and one kind of twisted!

I also liked the Phoenix version of Cropduster a lot - along with myra - she's got good ears!!

Nicely put, I couldn't pinpoint what was different among those versions, just, you know 'something's different in the mood'

I'm not bothered with the version we have now, but I'm no Cropduster specialist and if it needs changing, yeah, I'll go with Pheonix. Liked that one !!

Actually, when I listened through today I enjoyed the current Cropduster a lot - so I don't know yet.....

The song I am having problems with currently though is Can't Keep - since I've switched to my mp3 player rather than speakers - all the other songs sound fine in the main, but on Can't Keep the solo guitar is going right through me - it is screeching so much, that it is almost making the song unlistenable.

I don't know if this is just me, I could try a different player - but sometimes the mp3 player with headphones gives a very different version of the song. Currently though, this song is giving me a headache! :(

Oh shit, that sucks. Didn't notice anything, but was listening through my car speakers, so ...

I'm running through the bonus section on headphones at the moment, but I'll try Can't keep next. Down really really needs to go. It's totally off-mood, I even had to skip it .

I won't back down still makes me cringe. And we need another Help Help. And I'd like to check on Get right too. Do we need to check on I am mine too ? Is that it ?

You are is great, a bit closer to the demo version even !! And I really like this Bu$hleaguer too, it almost has a slight Doors feeling to it somehow.

Do we need to change the bonus tracklist order ? I felt it built up nicely has it is. Have you tried a different order ?

I guess we're not done ....

TheRealDanPatch

Changes made:
-"Down" cut
-3 songs need new cities


Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1 (Working Track List)**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

myra

Cameron4President wrote:

Changes made:
-"Down" cut
-3 songs need new cities


Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1 (Working Track List)**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

I reckon we had alternative suggestions for those three.
Yet it was Phoenix for both Cropduster and I won't back down if I'm not mistaken. And we don't want that, do we ?
About Help help, I think it was Adelaide that had been suggested earlier on. But I might take this opportunity to listen to all of them again. Just to make sure, of course.

Oh, and we have Adelaide already.
So now I need to listen to Help Help again.

tremors

myra wrote:

tremors wrote:

myra wrote:

Nicely put, I couldn't pinpoint what was different among those versions, just, you know 'something's different in the mood'

I'm not bothered with the version we have now, but I'm no Cropduster specialist and if it needs changing, yeah, I'll go with Pheonix. Liked that one !!

Actually, when I listened through today I enjoyed the current Cropduster a lot - so I don't know yet.....

The song I am having problems with currently though is Can't Keep - since I've switched to my mp3 player rather than speakers - all the other songs sound fine in the main, but on Can't Keep the solo guitar is going right through me - it is screeching so much, that it is almost making the song unlistenable.

I don't know if this is just me, I could try a different player - but sometimes the mp3 player with headphones gives a very different version of the song. Currently though, this song is giving me a headache! :(

Oh shit, that sucks. Didn't notice anything, but was listening through my car speakers, so ...

I'm running through the bonus section on headphones at the moment, but I'll try Can't keep next. Down really really needs to go. It's totally off-mood, I even had to skip it .

I won't back down still makes me cringe. And we need another Help Help. And I'd like to check on Get right too. Do we need to check on I am mine too ? Is that it ?

You are is great, a bit closer to the demo version even !! And I really like this Bu$hleaguer too, it almost has a slight Doors feeling to it somehow.

Do we need to change the bonus tracklist order ? I felt it built up nicely has it is. Have you tried a different order ?

I guess we're not done ....

It's probably just me and my devices - if nobody else is picking anything up. I can try on my ipod, but don't have it with me currently.

The bonus order was fine- I was just speculating really.... I haven't tried a different order, but thought it might work with the speech coming somewhere in the middle.

I have a really dubious internet connection currently - keep getting cut off. Will see how I fare - am not at home tonight. Normal service will be resumed soon

tremors

Cameron4President wrote:

Changes made:
-"Down" cut
-3 songs need new cities


Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1 (Working Track List)**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

Seeing as myra and I had a stab at alternative Cropdusters last night - I think we should go with the Phoenix we favoured and see how that sounds - the others.... hmmm.... If I can manage to stream anything I will be able to contribute, but otherwise, not very easily

myra

tremors wrote:

Seeing as myra and I had a stab at alternative Cropdusters last night - I think we should go with the Phoenix we favoured and see how that sounds

Yes, but :

myra wrote:

I reckon we had alternative suggestions for those three.
Yet it was Phoenix for both Cropduster and I won't back down if I'm not mistaken. And we don't want that, do we ?

:(

TheRealDanPatch

myra wrote:

tremors wrote:

Seeing as myra and I had a stab at alternative Cropdusters last night - I think we should go with the Phoenix we favoured and see how that sounds

Yes, but :

myra wrote:

I reckon we had alternative suggestions for those three.
Yet it was Phoenix for both Cropduster and I won't back down if I'm not mistaken. And we don't want that, do we ?

:(

Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster - Phoenix, Arizona (June 7, 2003)
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

tremors

myra wrote:

tremors wrote:

Seeing as myra and I had a stab at alternative Cropdusters last night - I think we should go with the Phoenix we favoured and see how that sounds

Yes, but :

myra wrote:

I reckon we had alternative suggestions for those three.
Yet it was Phoenix for both Cropduster and I won't back down if I'm not mistaken. And we don't want that, do we ?

:(

So do we have three options?

Keep both Phoenix versions and damn the consequences
Find another Cropduster, or stick with current
Find another won't back down

myra

Ok, so I tried this :

tremors wrote:

Find another won't back down

and listened to the only alternative left, Vancouver.
And ... nope. A bit better, but not there yet.

tremors wrote:

Find another Cropduster, or stick with current

Given we both agreed on this one, I don't think we should jeopardize that


So, hmmm, how about this ?

tremors wrote:

Keep both Phoenix versions and damn the consequences

:?

Cameron4President wrote:

-No repeat shows. (i.e. each song must come from a different show)

Trouble, oh trouble ....

tremors

Sorry for the lag folks - I think I won't be at all reliable tonight - I keep losing the connection, and when I do post, mine are about two posts behind :oops: - so will just mess things up. I will try and 'observe' if I can

tremors

myra wrote:

Ok, so I tried this :

tremors wrote:

Find another won't back down

and listened to the only alternative left, Vancouver.
And ... nope. A bit better, but not there yet.

tremors wrote:

Find another Cropduster, or stick with current

Given we both agreed on this one, I don't think we should jeopardize that


So, hmmm, how about this ?

tremors wrote:

Keep both Phoenix versions and damn the consequences

:?

Cameron4President wrote:

-No repeat shows. (i.e. each song must come from a different show)

Trouble, oh trouble ....

You know, you will hate me for saying this myra - but the current Won't back down was my highlight of the entire collection! seriously, I loved it

myra

tremors wrote:

You know, you will hate me for saying this myra - but the current Won't back down was my highlight of the entire collection! seriously, I loved it

1. :shock:
2. Really ? You mean I unawarely tried to shun your highlight of the entire collection ? And you'd let me do that ?
3. I knew we had to hold on to the one thing we agreed on
4. Was tempted to say 'I won't back down' but, ahem, I shall surrender.


5. I don't hate you ...................... yet

tremors

myra wrote:

tremors wrote:

You know, you will hate me for saying this myra - but the current Won't back down was my highlight of the entire collection! seriously, I loved it

1. :shock:
2. Really ? You mean I unawarely tried to shun your highlight of the entire collection ? And you'd let me do that ?
3. I knew we had to hold on to the one thing we agreed on
4. Was tempted to say 'I won't back down' but, ahem, I shall surrender.


5. I don't hate you ...................... yet

It's quite hard doing these projects to keep track of everything you read in progress - so I never quite clicked why you didn't like it - but then when I was thinking back to my listening through lying on my bed this morning I thought 'shit - that won't back down was most excellent! Almost brought a tear to my eye.... '

Seeing as it's not a core riot act track though - I didn't think it was worth incurring the Gallic wrath over it. And I thought maybe there would be good alternative versions.

I am struggling to make any sense tonight, sorry - lousy broadband putting me in a bad mood!

Sorry I can't be much help with song selections currently

myra

tremors wrote:

It's quite hard doing these projects to keep track of everything you read in progress - so I never quite clicked why you didn't like it - but then when I was thinking back to my listening through lying on my bed this morning I thought 'shit - that won't back down was most excellent! Almost brought a tear to my eye.... '

Yeah, carry on.... Like I don't feel bad enough already

Gary Carter

bring back down! :P

tremors

Well I see we haven't got much further in my broadband downtime!

Sorry myra, I was only joking really. Do we have a good alternative for Won't Back Down?

I am completely lost now - where have we got to? Are we looking for a good Help Help, and a good I won't back down?

TheRealDanPatch

How does Vancouver sound for "I Won't Back Down"?

TheRealDanPatch

Actually all 3 versions of "I Won't Back Down" from the 2003 Tour are lyrically fucked up!

I think that the best out of the 3 are.....wait for it....Vancouver, British Columbia (May 30, 2003)

myra

I won't back down : Vancouver is ok, but not to the point of changing Missoula for this one. I'm still not happy with the vocals. The only one I was happy with was Phoenix. But really, I give up on that one. Let's just keep it as it is.

Help Help : I've listened through and through, to the point where I actually felt a bit dizzy and had to stop

The thing is we don't have much choice left for that one due to the shows we used already. Apparently, at some point I wrote down that Clarkston was good, except that the end needed editing when he introduces NAIS. But now I can't even recall what it sounded like and I'm not even sure I was still making sense when I wrote that down :? .

I think I'm good to resume listening now though.

myra

Cameron4President wrote:

Actually all 3 versions of "I Won't Back Down" from the 2003 Tour are lyrically fucked up!

I think that the best out of the 3 are.....wait for it....Vancouver, British Columbia (May 30, 2003)

Obviously, I hadn't seen this when I clicked submit

TheRealDanPatch

FYI

"I Won't Back Down" has been played a total of 10 times according to the 10c, and I have all of these boots. The problem that we have is that I am pretty sure that Eddie fucks up the lyrics on all ten. It's still a good cover though and Eddie does a better job than me any day!

tremors

myra wrote:

I won't back down : Vancouver is ok, but not to the point of changing Missoula for this one. I'm still not happy with the vocals. The only one I was happy with was Phoenix. But really, I give up on that one. Let's just keep it as it is.

Help Help : I've listened through and through, to the point where I actually felt a bit dizzy and had to stop

The thing is we don't have much choice left for that one due to the shows we used already. Apparently, at some point I wrote down that Clarkston was good, except that the end needed editing when he introduces NAIS. But now I can't even recall what it sounded like and I'm not even sure I was still making sense when I wrote that down :? .

I think I'm good to resume listening now though.

I can offer Executive support and cheerleading from the sidelines currently - but no listening until tomorrow night I fear

TheRealDanPatch

myra wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

Actually all 3 versions of "I Won't Back Down" from the 2003 Tour are lyrically fucked up!

I think that the best out of the 3 are.....wait for it....Vancouver, British Columbia (May 30, 2003)

Obviously, I hadn't seen this when I clicked submit

I am honestly indifferent to either version. We can keep our original or try Vancouver. I do not think that there is much of a difference.

TheRealDanPatch

tremors wrote:

myra wrote:

I won't back down : Vancouver is ok, but not to the point of changing Missoula for this one. I'm still not happy with the vocals. The only one I was happy with was Phoenix. But really, I give up on that one. Let's just keep it as it is.

Help Help : I've listened through and through, to the point where I actually felt a bit dizzy and had to stop

The thing is we don't have much choice left for that one due to the shows we used already. Apparently, at some point I wrote down that Clarkston was good, except that the end needed editing when he introduces NAIS. But now I can't even recall what it sounded like and I'm not even sure I was still making sense when I wrote that down :? .

I think I'm good to resume listening now though.

I can offer Executive support and cheerleading from the sidelines currently - but no listening until tomorrow night I fear

TheRealDanPatch

myra wrote:

I won't back down : Vancouver is ok, but not to the point of changing Missoula for this one. I'm still not happy with the vocals. The only one I was happy with was Phoenix. But really, I give up on that one. Let's just keep it as it is.

Help Help : I've listened through and through, to the point where I actually felt a bit dizzy and had to stop

The thing is we don't have much choice left for that one due to the shows we used already. Apparently, at some point I wrote down that Clarkston was good, except that the end needed editing when he introduces NAIS. But now I can't even recall what it sounded like and I'm not even sure I was still making sense when I wrote that down :? .

I think I'm good to resume listening now though.

Help Help from Michigan sounds good, and I can cut the intro of NAIS off so we are good. I shall be added to Version 1

myra

Cameron4President wrote:

myra wrote:

I won't back down : Vancouver is ok, but not to the point of changing Missoula for this one. I'm still not happy with the vocals. The only one I was happy with was Phoenix. But really, I give up on that one. Let's just keep it as it is.

Help Help : I've listened through and through, to the point where I actually felt a bit dizzy and had to stop

The thing is we don't have much choice left for that one due to the shows we used already. Apparently, at some point I wrote down that Clarkston was good, except that the end needed editing when he introduces NAIS. But now I can't even recall what it sounded like and I'm not even sure I was still making sense when I wrote that down :? .

I think I'm good to resume listening now though.

Help Help from Michigan sounds good, and I can cut the intro of NAIS off so we are good. I shall be added to Version 1

Phew. Good.

myra

tremors wrote:

I can offer Executive support and cheerleading from the sidelines currently - but no listening until tomorrow night I fear

Awesome !

TheRealDanPatch

Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster - Phoenix, Arizona (June 7, 2003)
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help - Clarkston, Michigan (June 25, 2003)
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

All I need is (1) "I Won't Back Down" and a final word on bonus song track order and I can send you guys a brand new 2011 "Version 1" all for the low, low price of $0.

myra

Cameron4President wrote:

FYI

"I Won't Back Down" has been played a total of 10 times according to the 10c, and I have all of these boots. The problem that we have is that I am pretty sure that Eddie fucks up the lyrics on all ten.

And this song is damn hard to sing right ! Makes for a great sing-along