If you saw a car completely decked out in, say, Hello Kitty or Pearl Jam or Twilight (or any other) stuff, would your reaction be the same? Ok, you like Hello Kitty, you don't have to parade it?
People parade all sorts of things every day, usually things that are a big part of their lives, which is completely fine unless it's offensive or dangerous to others (or illegal etc).
When it comes to gay people parading their sexual orientation, I think it's fair to let them be as flamboyant as they like. After all, heterosexuality is paraded around everywhere and constantly. Hell, I guess when I walk around holding hands with my boyfriend, we're parading around being all straight and stuff. The gay community just came up with a much more colourful way of displaying their orientation.
No because we don't demand we be treated the same as everyone else.
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I am gay, and I must admit it is a bit much to over decorate your car in any one fashion or another. I was never flambouyant about my coming out, mostly because of my family, I was very reseved. To a massive degree I still am. There are no pride stickers on my van, or my truck. If people want to know what I prefer they can ask me, other than that, being gay is NOT the entirety of who I am, and there fore need not be flaunted.. this is just my opinion, as for others, they're gonna do what they do regardless of what we all think. And as one human to another, we need to recognize that everyone is different and needs to be allowed this, otherwise we're all the same and that's boring as alll fucking hell. Just my opinion.
Thank you!
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
If you saw a car completely decked out in, say, Hello Kitty or Pearl Jam or Twilight (or any other) stuff, would your reaction be the same? Ok, you like Hello Kitty, you don't have to parade it?
People parade all sorts of things every day, usually things that are a big part of their lives, which is completely fine unless it's offensive or dangerous to others (or illegal etc).
When it comes to gay people parading their sexual orientation, I think it's fair to let them be as flamboyant as they like. After all, heterosexuality is paraded around everywhere and constantly. Hell, I guess when I walk around holding hands with my boyfriend, we're parading around being all straight and stuff. The gay community just came up with a much more colourful way of displaying their orientation.
No because we don't demand we be treated the same as everyone else.
May be because you are everyone else
So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
I was sitting behind a car today driving home from work and this guy had the rainbow flag stickered all over his boot, a flag inside, and rainbow flag pillow things inside under the back windscreen.
Is that going too far?, okay you are homosexual don't have to parade it.
Is there a straight flag, I want to decorate my car. :roll:
how close to the car were you that you could read the stickers? were you right up his arse... i bet you were.... did you stick your bumper up his exhaust pipe? was it a Land Rover? was it a 4X4? cos they can get through a lot of shit.... which would be apt.
I prefer being in front
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I know plenty of gay people, the majority of whom are quiet, unassuming people and I get along with them just fine.
However, I do take issue against those who feel they have to act in this completely pseudo-extrovert way, that they have to lay on the voice and actions to the nth degree. The gay label doesn't exclude you from criticism. They're annoying not because they are gay but because they are false.
I know plenty of gay people, the majority of whom are quiet, unassuming people and I get along with them just fine.
However, I do take issue against those who feel they have to act in this completely pseudo-extrovert way, that they have to lay on the voice and actions to the nth degree. The gay label doesn't exclude you from criticism. They're annoying not because they are gay but because they are false.
True that!
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I know plenty of gay people, the majority of whom are quiet, unassuming people and I get along with them just fine.
However, I do take issue against those who feel they have to act in this completely pseudo-extrovert way, that they have to lay on the voice and actions to the nth degree. The gay label doesn't exclude you from criticism. They're annoying not because they are gay but because they are false.
Good post and I agree with you. Let people be what they want to be. There's no problem with the guy plastering his car with stickers but I'm puzzled why he wants to. It seems a bit like he is desperate to be noticed and they are often the people that rub people up the wrong way.
I also can't stand fakes. Why men that are gay find their vocal chords have changed and they walk differently is ridiculous. It's just as annoying when local kids put on London accents and try to act tough.
Wrongly there's a lot of prejudice in this world so it's advisable to sometimes cool it. It's like putting Manchester United flags, cushions and stickers on your car and driving into Liverpool, you just know that car may receive a bit of rough justice. And quite rightly too (the MU car that is).
I also can't stand fakes. Why men that are gay find their vocal chords have changed and they walk differently is ridiculous. It's just as annoying when local kids put on London accents and try to act tough.
This reminds me of a guy I went to school with (not a gay guy). But I've known him since I was 5. Went from Kindergarten through to year 12 with him. He is of Italian heritage, but you would only know that looking at him, not listening.
So about year 10, he develops a close relationship with some other Italians and hangs around them. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, he is starting to aspeaka likea Mario, anda use abody alanguage like papa.Turned into a stereotypical Italian over nght.
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This reminds me of a guy I went to school with (not a gay guy). But I've known him since I was 5. Went from Kindergarten through to year 12 with him. He is of Italian heritage, but you would only know that looking at him, not listening.
So about year 10, he develops a close relationship with some other Italians and hangs around them. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, he is starting to aspeaka likea Mario, anda use abody alanguage like papa.Turned into a stereotypical Italian over nght.
A! eez a good boy, eez a good to eez mumma and eez apapa.
Wrongly there's a lot of prejudice in this world so it's advisable to sometimes cool it. It's like putting Manchester United flags, cushions and stickers on your car and driving into Liverpool, you just know that car may receive a bit of rough justice. And quite rightly too (the MU car that is).
I also can't stand fakes. Why men that are gay find their vocal chords have changed and they walk differently is ridiculous. It's just as annoying when local kids put on London accents and try to act tough.
This reminds me of a guy I went to school with (not a gay guy). But I've known him since I was 5. Went from Kindergarten through to year 12 with him. He is of Italian heritage, but you would only know that looking at him, not listening.
So about year 10, he develops a close relationship with some other Italians and hangs around them. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, he is starting to aspeaka likea Mario, anda use abody alanguage like papa.Turned into a stereotypical Italian over nght.
That made me think of the Chef from The Simpsons. Hey, Salvatore! Break out the cheap hooch for Mr. No-Tip and the dried-up-ah zombie he's-ah captured
I know tolerance is a good thing, a good word but....
I look forward to a day when there is no need for tolerance.
We don't have to be tolerant because we don't look at each other as different anymore.
We don't judge, we don't see anything but another human being.
We don't care about the classifications
race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual preference or social position.
We just see another human being whom we love unconditionally and embrace as a friend,
just as they are.
I have to say, that this is one of the best posts I have ever read.
Thank you
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So what happens if I am are a TRUE PRACTISING RELIGEOUS NUT, bringing up my children to be Honourable, Respectful, Conciderate, Insightful , Patient and Moraly convicted to the above.
Only have 'otherwise' shoved and flaunted in my face?
I have no choice but to tell my 8 year old about homosexuality because he wants to know what that shit on my TV was or what that song was about, or why his teacher lives with the principle.
I get the fact your looking for recognition, but I'm one of those who can't wait for you to go away, your spoiling my Porno's.
let the flames begin.....
I've never had a problem with gay porn spoiling my regular porn. It is 100% not an issue for me. (cause it never shows up).
One of my best friends growing up however always had a problem with the gay porn on his computer. He was anti-gay and spouted a lot of anti gay slurs.
The "gay porn" problem only got worse for him.
That was until the day he came out of the closet and became a much happier, healthy person who was finally comfortable in his own skin.
I went to my first gay wedding a couple of months ago, in a state that fairly recently legalized gay marriage. It was the most beautiful wedding I'd ever been to. And I've been to a lot of weddings.
I was with one of the newlyweds this weekend, looking at wedding photos. It came to the one where the couple was pronounced, and showed the two of them hugging, with a beaming minister in the background.
"Oh, they didn't catch your first kiss?" I said. "I probably have it on the video." (I'd shot the entire ceremony for them.)
My friend paused then said, "We didn't have a first kiss. We were afraid it would make some of the people in the audience feel uncomfortable. So we decided to hug instead."
That broke my heart a little... imagine, standing at the altar and worrying that your demonstration of love and commitment might not be appreciated by someone you'd invited...
Reading this broke my heart.. they missed out on maybe one of the most important, loving moments they will have, all because they were worried about the intolerance, or discomfort of some of their guests. Sad. I hope they live a wonderful life together and are forever comfortable in their own skin. As it seems they are
I went to my first gay wedding a couple of months ago, in a state that fairly recently legalized gay marriage. It was the most beautiful wedding I'd ever been to. And I've been to a lot of weddings.
I was with one of the newlyweds this weekend, looking at wedding photos. It came to the one where the couple was pronounced, and showed the two of them hugging, with a beaming minister in the background.
"Oh, they didn't catch your first kiss?" I said. "I probably have it on the video." (I'd shot the entire ceremony for them.)
My friend paused then said, "We didn't have a first kiss. We were afraid it would make some of the people in the audience feel uncomfortable. So we decided to hug instead."
That broke my heart a little... imagine, standing at the altar and worrying that your demonstration of love and commitment might not be appreciated by someone you'd invited...
Reading this broke my heart.. they missed out on maybe one of the most important, loving moments they will have, all because they were worried about the intolerance, or discomfort of some of their guests. Sad. I hope they live a wonderful life together and are forever comfortable in their own skin. As it seems they are
I was thinking how tolerant of their friends and families feelings they are, seeing most likely, the generational differences of those attending. They obviously love each other very much, secure in this, so much so that they can think of others before themselves.
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
I hope we get to the point that we move beyond tolerance and get to a point of acceptance....recognizing that people are different in all different ways and celebrating that.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I hope we get to the point that we move beyond tolerance and get to a point of acceptance....recognizing that people are different in all different ways and celebrating that.
thats right... it takes different strokes for different folks..
by the way i hated that wee black midget on that show.
joke
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
St Patrick's Day parade in NYC comes close.
And frankly for someone who has an opinion that "non-normal" sex needs to be kept away from our children, your choice of a woman who unknowingly is using sperm after masturbation as a hair gel as your avatar is kind of odd and racy.
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
Do you feel that oral sex 'devalues' sex as well?
Doin your best to ensure they grow up Hetero, huh? Good luck with that. You do realize you don't just turn gay one day, right? Guess if you do think that, it might explain your fear of the parades.
Its a funny thing what we are dealt with in this world to learn from...if lucky enough.
'that what you fear the most'
I was prejudiced against pit bulls until God brought me the most loving and wonderful dog named Faith.
I might have been prejudiced against black people if I had not met the most engaging kind soul 35 years ago that kept me from that.
Jo, I think you are a great person, I love your humor, I love that fact you are a great Mom.
I understand the devaluing post, that the love part of sexual encounters has been lost for some,
but it has not for all.
Perhaps if you are lucky enough though, one of your fine young men may be gay
and will open your heart to a love that exists between same sex people.
Not unlike, in any way, the love we share as heterosexuals.
The key is love
which is all a parent wants for their child, a life filled with love and happiness and respect.
Perhaps if you are lucky enough though, one of your fine young men may be gay
and will open your heart to a love that exists between same sex people.
lucky enough? are you saying that the holy grail of parenting now is to be 'lucky enough' to have one of your kids turn out gay?
won't be 'lucky enough' to have their own kids though huh? perhaps Jo would like to have grandkids at some point and perhaps if she were 'lucky enough' to have ALL of her sons turn out to be gay she might not have those grandkids... that'd be lucky... save a fortune on Christmas presents right enough.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Perhaps if you are lucky enough though, one of your fine young men may be gay
and will open your heart to a love that exists between same sex people.
lucky enough? are you saying that the holy grail of parenting now is to be 'lucky enough' to have one of your kids turn out gay?
won't be 'lucky enough' to have their own kids though huh? perhaps Jo would like to have grandkids at some point and perhaps if she were 'lucky enough' to have ALL of her sons turn out to be gay she might not have those grandkids... that'd be lucky... save a fortune on Christmas presents right enough.
Plenty of my gay friends have kids. And from what I hear the grandparents are thrilled. :roll:
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
If you ensure they grow up hetro, it will just be more difficult for the one who is actually gay. He will feel compelled to stay in the closet because he will be Petrified to come out!
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
Jo, you do make one good point. Those parades are not good for the gay community as they are now constructed.
It is sad when the onion is the best source for news and common sense, but here it goes:
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
If you ensure they grow up hetro, it will just be more difficult for the one who is actually gay. He will feel compelled to stay in the closet because he will be Petrified to come out!
Perhaps if you are lucky enough though, one of your fine young men may be gay
and will open your heart to a love that exists between same sex people.
lucky enough? are you saying that the holy grail of parenting now is to be 'lucky enough' to have one of your kids turn out gay?
won't be 'lucky enough' to have their own kids though huh? perhaps Jo would like to have grandkids at some point and perhaps if she were 'lucky enough' to have ALL of her sons turn out to be gay she might not have those grandkids... that'd be lucky... save a fortune on Christmas presents right enough.
Plenty of my gay friends have kids. And from what I hear the grandparents are thrilled. :roll:
'Plenty of my gay friends?' where do you live... on the set of Glee?
i wasn't meaning adopted or surrogate children... more biologically from the same gene pool kinda kids...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
When was the last Hetrosexual parade you ever saw?
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
This made me think of the polar opposite which was a news story in the UK today when a TV presenter was asked what he would do if one of his children bought home a same sex partner (and yes it does say something that this should still be news)
His response:
"My eldest daughter is gay, so that's a question which I've dealt with on a regular basis already, which is, providing it's a nice woman, I'm thrilled. I've got no problems at all, obviously."
"Certainly, their sexuality is a, really none of my business and b; certainly none of my concern. I just want them to be good, happy, stable people and so far, all three of them seem to be that."
lucky enough? are you saying that the holy grail of parenting now is to be 'lucky enough' to have one of your kids turn out gay?
won't be 'lucky enough' to have their own kids though huh? perhaps Jo would like to have grandkids at some point and perhaps if she were 'lucky enough' to have ALL of her sons turn out to be gay she might not have those grandkids... that'd be lucky... save a fortune on Christmas presents right enough.
Plenty of my gay friends have kids. And from what I hear the grandparents are thrilled. :roll:
'Plenty of my gay friends?' where do you live... on the set of Glee?
i wasn't meaning adopted or surrogate children... more biologically from the same gene pool kinda kids...
I'm sure a lot of them are biologically from the same gene pool as one of their parents
So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
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No because we don't demand we be treated the same as everyone else.
Thank you!
May be because you are everyone else
I prefer being in front
However, I do take issue against those who feel they have to act in this completely pseudo-extrovert way, that they have to lay on the voice and actions to the nth degree. The gay label doesn't exclude you from criticism. They're annoying not because they are gay but because they are false.
True that!
I also can't stand fakes. Why men that are gay find their vocal chords have changed and they walk differently is ridiculous. It's just as annoying when local kids put on London accents and try to act tough.
Wrongly there's a lot of prejudice in this world so it's advisable to sometimes cool it. It's like putting Manchester United flags, cushions and stickers on your car and driving into Liverpool, you just know that car may receive a bit of rough justice. And quite rightly too (the MU car that is).
This reminds me of a guy I went to school with (not a gay guy). But I've known him since I was 5. Went from Kindergarten through to year 12 with him. He is of Italian heritage, but you would only know that looking at him, not listening.
So about year 10, he develops a close relationship with some other Italians and hangs around them. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, he is starting to aspeaka likea Mario, anda use abody alanguage like papa.Turned into a stereotypical Italian over nght.
Sydney 14/02/2003
Sydney 07/11/2006
Sydney 18/11/2006
Sydney 22/11/2009
EV Sydney 18/03/2011
EV Sydney 19/03/2011
EV Sydney 20/03/2011
Melbourne 24/01/2014
Sydney 26/01/2014
EV Sydney 13/02/2014
I fully concur.
I look forward to a day when there is no need for tolerance.
We don't have to be tolerant because we don't look at each other as different anymore.
We don't judge, we don't see anything but another human being.
We don't care about the classifications
race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual preference or social position.
We just see another human being whom we love unconditionally and embrace as a friend,
just as they are.
I have to say, that this is one of the best posts I have ever read.
Thank you
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Sydney 07/11/2006
Sydney 18/11/2006
Sydney 22/11/2009
EV Sydney 18/03/2011
EV Sydney 19/03/2011
EV Sydney 20/03/2011
Melbourne 24/01/2014
Sydney 26/01/2014
EV Sydney 13/02/2014
I've never had a problem with gay porn spoiling my regular porn. It is 100% not an issue for me. (cause it never shows up).
One of my best friends growing up however always had a problem with the gay porn on his computer. He was anti-gay and spouted a lot of anti gay slurs.
The "gay porn" problem only got worse for him.
That was until the day he came out of the closet and became a much happier, healthy person who was finally comfortable in his own skin.
Sound familiar?
Reading this broke my heart.. they missed out on maybe one of the most important, loving moments they will have, all because they were worried about the intolerance, or discomfort of some of their guests. Sad. I hope they live a wonderful life together and are forever comfortable in their own skin. As it seems they are
You know, the parrade we all go to wearing our jocks and Bras and not give a shit about the way we look?
I have 4 male children and I'm doing my utmost to ensure they grow up Hetrosexual........
WHY?
Because I see sexuality the way I see it.
There is nothing natural about a penis up an Arse. That goes for both Men and Women of any age.
My view is that sex between anyone has been devalued.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
thats right... it takes different strokes for different folks..
by the way i hated that wee black midget on that show.
joke
And frankly for someone who has an opinion that "non-normal" sex needs to be kept away from our children, your choice of a woman who unknowingly is using sperm after masturbation as a hair gel as your avatar is kind of odd and racy.
Doin your best to ensure they grow up Hetero, huh? Good luck with that. You do realize you don't just turn gay one day, right? Guess if you do think that, it might explain your fear of the parades.
'that what you fear the most'
I was prejudiced against pit bulls until God brought me the most loving and wonderful dog named Faith.
I might have been prejudiced against black people if I had not met the most engaging kind soul 35 years ago that kept me from that.
Jo, I think you are a great person, I love your humor, I love that fact you are a great Mom.
I understand the devaluing post, that the love part of sexual encounters has been lost for some,
but it has not for all.
Perhaps if you are lucky enough though, one of your fine young men may be gay
and will open your heart to a love that exists between same sex people.
Not unlike, in any way, the love we share as heterosexuals.
The key is love
which is all a parent wants for their child, a life filled with love and happiness and respect.
lucky enough? are you saying that the holy grail of parenting now is to be 'lucky enough' to have one of your kids turn out gay?
won't be 'lucky enough' to have their own kids though huh? perhaps Jo would like to have grandkids at some point and perhaps if she were 'lucky enough' to have ALL of her sons turn out to be gay she might not have those grandkids... that'd be lucky... save a fortune on Christmas presents right enough.
Plenty of my gay friends have kids. And from what I hear the grandparents are thrilled. :roll:
If you ensure they grow up hetro, it will just be more difficult for the one who is actually gay. He will feel compelled to stay in the closet because he will be Petrified to come out!
Jo, you do make one good point. Those parades are not good for the gay community as they are now constructed.
It is sad when the onion is the best source for news and common sense, but here it goes:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/gaypride-parade-sets-mainstream-acceptance-of-gays,351/
He might even be forced to become a priest.
'Plenty of my gay friends?' where do you live... on the set of Glee?
i wasn't meaning adopted or surrogate children... more biologically from the same gene pool kinda kids...
This made me think of the polar opposite which was a news story in the UK today when a TV presenter was asked what he would do if one of his children bought home a same sex partner (and yes it does say something that this should still be news)
His response:
"My eldest daughter is gay, so that's a question which I've dealt with on a regular basis already, which is, providing it's a nice woman, I'm thrilled. I've got no problems at all, obviously."
"Certainly, their sexuality is a, really none of my business and b; certainly none of my concern. I just want them to be good, happy, stable people and so far, all three of them seem to be that."
http://celebrity.uk.msn.com/news/articl ... =155894137
I'm sure a lot of them are biologically from the same gene pool as one of their parents
Neither was I.
At least not exclusively. Some friends have biological children and some adopt. The grandparents of each love them equally as much.
EDIT: And the Xmas presents are abundant.