i looked at the last few pages of the death penalty thread and honestly couldn't find anything worth a locking of the thread let alone a ban ...
i'm guessing someone alerted the mods and they felt compelled to act ...
in any case - i want to commend godfather for admitting that his knowledge of us foreign policy was limited and that he is willing to read up ... as corny as it sounds ... the truth shall set us free ...
we would all probably agree 95% of the time if our understandings of situations were the same and included all the information ...
Is it the reason why you continue an illegal blockade of Cuba?
Nobody knows about this shit. We only know what we are spoon fed.
EVERYBODY should know about this shit. ignorance is no excuse. you know your media is bullshit. you know theres more to the story than they tell you. educate yourself.. no one is gonna do it for you.
I have friends who love Reagan. I had a student who said Reagan was his favorite President. Knowing this type of shit that yoou listed - the truth - would be like us finding out Eddie lip-synched in concert.
Nobody educates themselves - we are a lazy society with too many distractions.
i looked at the last few pages of the death penalty thread and honestly couldn't find anything worth a locking of the thread let alone a ban ...
i'm guessing someone alerted the mods and they felt compelled to act ...
in any case - i want to commend godfather for admitting that his knowledge of us foreign policy was limited and that he is willing to read up ... as corny as it sounds ... the truth shall set us free ...
we would all probably agree 95% of the time if our understandings of situations were the same and included all the information ...
thanks, got them locked in on my fav's and am reading.
actually, boo boo, I didn't. someone else did. I merely responded to it. But that's neither here nor there. it was a post that has more to do with this thread than it did the other, and it was right before it got locked, so the question asked was not responded to. Triumphant thought it relevant, as do I.
and what am I provoking exactly? my question had nothing to do with the subject of the other thread.
EVERYBODY should know about this shit. ignorance is no excuse. you know your media is bullshit. you know theres more to the story than they tell you. educate yourself.. no one is gonna do it for you.
I have friends who love Reagan. I had a student who said Reagan was his favorite President. Knowing this type of shit that yoou listed - the truth - would be like us finding out Eddie lip-synched in concert.
Nobody educates themselves - we are a lazy society with too many distractions.
For the life of me I can't understand why Bush has opened his gob about it now.
I'm a little uncomfortable with politicians being able to divulge such sensitive details about an administration once they've left,...much like Tony Blair's memoirs,...I find it slightly distasteful.
It's very easy to understand that torture can produce very unreliable information, BUT, it is impossible for any of us to understand the pressure of having to make decisions on which lives that you have been elected to protect may depend.
I'm not defending George, he's a train wreck of a man,...just thought I should introduce some shade of grey to the otherwise black or white of previous posts.
ahhhh but it's ok to kill a money whore...double standards uh Truth, I'll bet the boys from PJ make quite a bit of money so does that make them money whores also and beheading them would be ok as well ?
our troops through out our history have been captured and tortured you know that don't you ?
Godfather.[/quote]
ok...so is it ok for U.S. soldiers to get tortured?
wow ! very powerful and disappointing, I know you'll have fun with this when I say I absolutely had no idea,
Through both videos I asked myself why ? A little money ? 15 ti 20 million here and there...was it worth it ?
Thanks for the info.
Godfather.
After thought: what will surface during or after Obamas term ? I am not attacking him or you with this question I just wonder what is happening now in the middle east and what will happen with the next president..is this the norm in the white house? And does the president really have that much power ?
And are rough white house staff or officials doing this today...for a little money ?....SHIT !
Ahhhh but it's ok to kill a money whore...double standards uh Truth, I'll bet the boys from PJ make quite a bit of money so does that make them money whores also and beheading them would be ok as well ?
our troops through out our history have been captured and tortured you know that don't you ?
Godfather.[/quote]
ok...so is it ok for US soldiers to get tortured?[/quote]
What are you getting at ? Of corse it's not ok please be more specific with your point.
George Bush accused of borrowing from other books in his memoirs
Former US president's Decision Points contains anecdotes seemingly lifted from books by several authors
Chris McGreal in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 November 2010
George Bush's memoirs were billed as offering "gripping, never before heard detail" of his time in the White House.
Now it appears that Decision Points is not so much the former president's memoirs as other people's cut and pasted memories.
Bush's account is littered with anecdotes seemingly ripped off from other books and articles, even borrowing without attribution – some might say plagiarising – from critical accounts the White House had previously denounced as inaccurate.
The Huffington Post noted a remarkable similarity between previously published writings and Bush's colourful anecdotes from events at which he had not been present.
Bush borrows heavily from Bob Woodward's account Bush at War, which the White House criticised as inaccurate when it was published in 2002. He also appears to take chunks from a book written by his former press secretary Ari Fleischer.
Bush recounts a meeting between Hamid Karzai and a Tajik warlord on the Afghan president's inauguration day, which he used as an example of hope for the future of the country.
The former president writes: "When Karzai arrived in Kabul for his inauguration on 22 December – 102 days after 9/11 – several Northern Alliance leaders and their bodyguards greeted him at an airport.
"As Karzai walked across the tarmac alone, a stunned Tajik warlord asked where all his men were.
"Karzai responded: 'Why, General, you are my men. All of you who are Afghans are my men.'"
The Huffington Post notes that the account and the quote are lifted almost verbatim and without attribution from a New York Review of Books article by Ahmed Rashid.
Bush also lifts a quote from an interview John McCain gave to the Washington Post on Iraq and then presents it as though McCain had said it to him.
Even where Bush is present and is quoting himself, he appears to have had his memory jogged by the accounts of others without finding much to add.
Many of the borrowed lines are taken from Woodward's Bush at War, with the former president's accounts of meetings bearing a striking similarity to Woodward's.
Bush's publisher has suggested that only confirms the accuracy of Decision Points. Others have suggested it is a reflection of two traits the former president was often criticised for – lack of original thought and laziness.
Bush also quotes Woodward's writings almost word for word in places. Where Woodward writes: "The second option combined cruise missiles with manned bomber attacks," Bush says: "The second option was to combine cruise missile strikes with manned bomber attacks."
And where Woodward's book says: "The third and most robust option was cruise missiles, bombers and what the planners had taken to calling 'boots on the ground'," Bush says: "The third and most aggressive option was to employ cruise missiles, bombers and boots on the ground."
Bush manages to remember exactly the same shouts as Woodward from the crowd at Ground Zero after the 9/11 attacks – "Do not let me down!" and "Whatever it takes" – even though there must have been a slew of them.
He appears to have borrowed from the memoirs of Fleischer in relating an anecdote about a hospital visit to meet injured survivors of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.
Striking similarities between Decision Points and other writings, uncovered by the Huffington Post website
• In Decision Points, Bush describes the inauguration of Hamid Karzai, which he did not attend: "As Karzai walked across the tarmac alone, a stunned Tajik warlord asked where all his men were. Karzai said: 'Why, General, you are my men. All of you who are Afghans are my men.'"
•From Ahmed Rashid's The Mess in Afghanistan in the New York Review of Books, as related personally to him by Karzai: "As the two men shook hands on the tarmac, Fahim [the Tajik warlord] looked confused. 'Where are your men?' he asked. Karzai turned to him in his disarmingly gentle manner of speaking. 'Why General,' he replied, 'You are my men – all of you are Afghans and are my men …'"
• From Decision Points: "The second option was to combine cruise missile strikes with manned bomber attacks."
•From Bob Woodward's Bush at War: "The second option combined cruise missiles with manned bomber attacks."
• From Decision Points: "The third and most aggressive option was to employ cruise missiles, bombers and boots on the ground."
• From Bush At War: "The third and most robust option was cruise missiles, bombers and what the planners had taken to calling 'boots on the ground.'"
• Decision Points: "One man yelled: 'Do not let me down!' Another shouted straight at my face: 'Whatever it takes.'"
• From Bush at War: "'Whatever it takes,' they shouted. One pointed to [Bush] as he walked by and yelled out: 'Don't let me down.'"
• From Decision Points, quoting John McCain in a manner that suggests he is talking to the then president: "'I cannot guarantee success,' he said, 'But I can guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy.'"
•From an interview by McCain with the Washington Post in 2007: "'I cannot guarantee success, but I can guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy,' he said.'"
So can we tack a plagiarism rider onto his crimes against humanity indictment?
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
So can we tack a plagiarism rider onto his crimes against humanity indictment?
May as well. No point in leaving anything out.
It's kind of interesting to consider that everything he's done in life has been a failure. He couldn't even manage to pay someone to write a book for him without it blowing up in his face and making him look like even more of a buffoon - if such a thing is possible.
He really should just hide away from public view before it gets any worse for him. I'm pretty sure there's enough playstation games to keep him occupied for the remainder of his sorry existence.
So can we tack a plagiarism rider onto his crimes against humanity indictment?
most heinous crime an 'academic'* can do. kill your professor youll probably still pass... try and pass someone elses work off as your own and youre gone.
* no im not suggesting bush is an academic.. just musing out loud.
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someone actually think bush actually passed on test at yale? ... i somehow find that hard to believe ..
Well, if this latest development is anything to go by, he even fails at cheating. So I doubt it.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
i guess the admissions in the book now are in line with his persona of "the decider"....oh and yeah, "commander guy"...
moron...
and if he didn't write the book and some ghost writer did, is the ghost rider guilty of plagiarism, or did bush want those things in there because he liked those parts? :?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i guess the admissions in the book now are in line with his persona of "the decider"....oh and yeah, "commander guy"...
moron...
and if he didn't write the book and some ghost writer did, is the ghost rider guilty of plagiarism, or did bush want those things in there because he liked those parts? :?
it's probably plagiarism but seeing as it isn't a scientific or academic publication - the only concern would be if the lifted part's authors want to sue for proceeds which I suspect they won't ...
So can we tack a plagiarism rider onto his crimes against humanity indictment?
most heinous crime an 'academic'* can do. kill your professor youll probably still pass... try and pass someone elses work off as your own and youre gone.
* no im not suggesting bush is an academic.. just musing out loud.
Just another way to show how out of touch acedemia is with the real world...in the real world "plagiarism" is something people are expected to instead of reinventing the wheel.
I'd be willing to bet you could find these issues with TONS of books. Just a guess on my part, no facts to back that up. And also nothing that is even remotely worth caring about.
most heinous crime an 'academic'* can do. kill your professor youll probably still pass... try and pass someone elses work off as your own and youre gone.
* no im not suggesting bush is an academic.. just musing out loud.
Just another way to show how out of touch acedemia is with the real world...in the real world "plagiarism" is something people are expected to instead of reinventing the wheel.
I'd be willing to bet you could find these issues with TONS of books. Just a guess on my part, no facts to back that up. And also nothing that is even remotely worth caring about.
i do find it outrageous that people claim others work as their own. students here in oz are apparently outsourcing their assignments to people in india for about $2 a paper. its bullshit really... that theyre doing it, not that its untrue.
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During the last days of my presidency I gave serious thought to writing my memoirs. Karl Rove suggested I get a ghost who could write proper sentences and restrict myself to key moments of my time in office that I could retell to my advantage. So what follows is selective euphoric recall.
Quitting drinking was the toughest decision I've ever made. Those closest to me were begging me to carry on. "Think what you're doing, George," they cried. "If you do get sober, you'll go on to be president and wreck the lives of countless people. Do us all a favour and keep getting legless." I'm happy to say the only legless people these days are the US servicemen returning from Afghanistan.
I was extremely proud when my father installed me as governor of Texas. During my time in office I managed to build a new ball park for the Texas Rangers and execute record numbers of mentally ill prisoners. I had no aspirations to higher office until God told me I had a duty to serve my country.
"But Daddy," I said, "I haven't a clue what I'm doing." "That's precisely why you're the right man. Keep your mouth shut and appoint my friends to key jobs and you'll be fine." "And what if we lose the election?" "Your brother Jeb can fix things in Florida."
I have a great sense of humour, but even I struggled to crack a joke on 11 September 2001. As the twin towers collapsed, I was certain we were being attacked. I just didn't know by whom. I was experiencing the fog of war. "It's al-Qaida,' said Condi. "Any relation to Al Gore?" I asked. Condi shook her head. I'd never heard of the Islamic turrurists with a penchant for blowing things up before, but I damn sure haven't forgotten them since. "Turrurism against our nation will not stand," I announced on television. "And for those who aren't too sure what that means, let me put it another way. We're going to kick raghead asses."
The first person to telephone me was Prime Minister Tony Blears. "I want you to know Britain is with you all the way, George. By the way, I just love your macho jeans and cowboy boots." I appreciated that kind of no-nonsense support and over the years Terry Blair has gone on to be one of America's most faithful lapdogs and people should stop being so beastly to him.
It was soon clear going into Afghanistan and installing a corrupt government was not going to be enough in the war on turrur. We would need to invade Iraqistan. People have criticised me for allowing the CIA to sanction waterboarding. Well, let me say here and now that the intelligence gained prevented numerous atrocities, though unfortunately not the invasion of Iraqistan itself. It remains a matter of some regret to me that our intelligence on WMD was entirely incorrect.
On reflection, I also regret shouting "mission accomplished" as Iraqistan descended into chaos and anarchy, but I am proud to have brought democracy and Christian values to that part of the world and if mistakes were made they were definitely someone else's. And let me make it quite clear I also gave serious thought to extending the Freedom Crusade to Iranistan, Syria and France. Make no mistake, God is not a Mozzer.
The most hurtful moment of my presidency was being called a racist for abandoning the black folk to their fate after Hurricane Katrina. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reason I did next to nothing was because they were poor and had voted Democrat. I was also just as shocked as everyone else by the greed of the financial sector that brought the US economy to its knees. I can honestly say Daddy's friends never told me that a total lack of financial regulation and a programme of tax breaks for the rich would be so disastrous.
Oh dear. I seem to have run out of space to include my contribution to global warming, but as I left the White House for the last time, my little dog Barney shat on the lawn. I knelt down to clean it up, but thought, "Sod it. We'll leave this mess for someone else."
Digested read, digested: Most of which I got wrong.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Just another way to show how out of touch acedemia is with the real world...in the real world "plagiarism" is something people are expected to instead of reinventing the wheel.
I'd be willing to bet you could find these issues with TONS of books. Just a guess on my part, no facts to back that up. And also nothing that is even remotely worth caring about.
Actually, in the real world your ass will get burned if you plagiarize. Ask Jayson Blair, Zachery Kouwe, and James Frey. The Rolling Stones had to add k.d. Lang to the list of songwriters on "Anybody Seen My Baby?" when it was discovered they'd stolen her melody from "Constant Craving." Men At Work lost a lawsuit and had to pay Larrakin Music royalties from "Down Under" when it was ruled they stole part of the melody from "Kookaburra." Alex Haley may have won a Pulitzer Prize for "Roots," but when it was discovered that he'd plagiarized it he had to fork over half a million dollars... which doesn't sound like much now, but considering that happened in 1978, that was quite a chunk of change.
I'd add that this IS something worth caring about. One of the things both liberal and conservative posters on this board have agreed upon in the past is that one of the things that pisses us all off is a lack of accountability. Well, I'd say not giving a crap about an ex-president plagiarizing his memoir isn't doing a whole lot to fix that problem.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
During the last days of my presidency I gave serious thought to writing my memoirs. Karl Rove suggested I get a ghost who could write proper sentences and restrict myself to key moments of my time in office that I could retell to my advantage. So what follows is selective euphoric recall.
Quitting drinking was the toughest decision I've ever made. Those closest to me were begging me to carry on. "Think what you're doing, George," they cried. "If you do get sober, you'll go on to be president and wreck the lives of countless people. Do us all a favour and keep getting legless." I'm happy to say the only legless people these days are the US servicemen returning from Afghanistan.
I was extremely proud when my father installed me as governor of Texas. During my time in office I managed to build a new ball park for the Texas Rangers and execute record numbers of mentally ill prisoners. I had no aspirations to higher office until God told me I had a duty to serve my country.
"But Daddy," I said, "I haven't a clue what I'm doing." "That's precisely why you're the right man. Keep your mouth shut and appoint my friends to key jobs and you'll be fine." "And what if we lose the election?" "Your brother Jeb can fix things in Florida."
I have a great sense of humour, but even I struggled to crack a joke on 11 September 2001. As the twin towers collapsed, I was certain we were being attacked. I just didn't know by whom. I was experiencing the fog of war. "It's al-Qaida,' said Condi. "Any relation to Al Gore?" I asked. Condi shook her head. I'd never heard of the Islamic turrurists with a penchant for blowing things up before, but I damn sure haven't forgotten them since. "Turrurism against our nation will not stand," I announced on television. "And for those who aren't too sure what that means, let me put it another way. We're going to kick raghead asses."
The first person to telephone me was Prime Minister Tony Blears. "I want you to know Britain is with you all the way, George. By the way, I just love your macho jeans and cowboy boots." I appreciated that kind of no-nonsense support and over the years Terry Blair has gone on to be one of America's most faithful lapdogs and people should stop being so beastly to him.
It was soon clear going into Afghanistan and installing a corrupt government was not going to be enough in the war on turrur. We would need to invade Iraqistan. People have criticised me for allowing the CIA to sanction waterboarding. Well, let me say here and now that the intelligence gained prevented numerous atrocities, though unfortunately not the invasion of Iraqistan itself. It remains a matter of some regret to me that our intelligence on WMD was entirely incorrect.
On reflection, I also regret shouting "mission accomplished" as Iraqistan descended into chaos and anarchy, but I am proud to have brought democracy and Christian values to that part of the world and if mistakes were made they were definitely someone else's. And let me make it quite clear I also gave serious thought to extending the Freedom Crusade to Iranistan, Syria and France. Make no mistake, God is not a Mozzer.
The most hurtful moment of my presidency was being called a racist for abandoning the black folk to their fate after Hurricane Katrina. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reason I did next to nothing was because they were poor and had voted Democrat. I was also just as shocked as everyone else by the greed of the financial sector that brought the US economy to its knees. I can honestly say Daddy's friends never told me that a total lack of financial regulation and a programme of tax breaks for the rich would be so disastrous.
Oh dear. I seem to have run out of space to include my contribution to global warming, but as I left the White House for the last time, my little dog Barney shat on the lawn. I knelt down to clean it up, but thought, "Sod it. We'll leave this mess for someone else."
Digested read, digested: Most of which I got wrong.
Actually, in the real world your ass will get burned if you plagiarize. Ask Jayson Blair, Zachery Kouwe, and James Frey. The Rolling Stones had to add k.d. Lang to the list of songwriters on "Anybody Seen My Baby?" when it was discovered they'd stolen her melody from "Constant Craving." Men At Work lost a lawsuit and had to pay Larrakin Music royalties from "Down Under" when it was ruled they stole part of the melody from "Kookaburra." Alex Haley may have won a Pulitzer Prize for "Roots," but when it was discovered that he'd plagiarized it he had to fork over half a million dollars... which doesn't sound like much now, but considering that happened in 1978, that was quite a chunk of change.
I'd add that this IS something worth caring about. One of the things both liberal and conservative posters on this board have agreed upon in the past is that one of the things that pisses us all off is a lack of accountability. Well, I'd say not giving a crap about an ex-president plagiarizing his memoir isn't doing a whole lot to fix that problem.
lets not forget the spectacular case of the verves bittersweet symphony.
as for men at work... im still shaking my head at that one. . i saw a kookaburra this morning sitting on the powerlines. always a nice sight.
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i'm guessing someone alerted the mods and they felt compelled to act ...
in any case - i want to commend godfather for admitting that his knowledge of us foreign policy was limited and that he is willing to read up ... as corny as it sounds ... the truth shall set us free ...
we would all probably agree 95% of the time if our understandings of situations were the same and included all the information ...
I have friends who love Reagan. I had a student who said Reagan was his favorite President. Knowing this type of shit that yoou listed - the truth - would be like us finding out Eddie lip-synched in concert.
Nobody educates themselves - we are a lazy society with too many distractions.
thanks, got them locked in on my fav's and am reading.
Godfather.
and what am I provoking exactly? my question had nothing to do with the subject of the other thread.
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Nah, it's only terrorism when someone else does it. When you do it, it's called "making your country safer."
He is quite distracting!!
You could do worse than to watch this: The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... f1p&hl=en#
Or this: The Panama Deception: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 473591816#
The Panama Deception Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDeGTCHAJM
I'm a little uncomfortable with politicians being able to divulge such sensitive details about an administration once they've left,...much like Tony Blair's memoirs,...I find it slightly distasteful.
It's very easy to understand that torture can produce very unreliable information, BUT, it is impossible for any of us to understand the pressure of having to make decisions on which lives that you have been elected to protect may depend.
I'm not defending George, he's a train wreck of a man,...just thought I should introduce some shade of grey to the otherwise black or white of previous posts.
I will check it out when I get home from work,thanks
Godfather.
ahhhh but it's ok to kill a money whore...double standards uh Truth, I'll bet the boys from PJ make quite a bit of money so does that make them money whores also and beheading them would be ok as well ?
our troops through out our history have been captured and tortured you know that don't you ?
Godfather.[/quote]
ok...so is it ok for U.S. soldiers to get tortured?
wow ! very powerful and disappointing, I know you'll have fun with this when I say I absolutely had no idea,
Through both videos I asked myself why ? A little money ? 15 ti 20 million here and there...was it worth it ?
Thanks for the info.
Godfather.
After thought: what will surface during or after Obamas term ? I am not attacking him or you with this question I just wonder what is happening now in the middle east and what will happen with the next president..is this the norm in the white house? And does the president really have that much power ?
And are rough white house staff or officials doing this today...for a little money ?....SHIT !
Godfather.
Ahhhh but it's ok to kill a money whore...double standards uh Truth, I'll bet the boys from PJ make quite a bit of money so does that make them money whores also and beheading them would be ok as well ?
our troops through out our history have been captured and tortured you know that don't you ?
Godfather.[/quote]
ok...so is it ok for US soldiers to get tortured?[/quote]
What are you getting at ? Of corse it's not ok please be more specific with your point.
Godfather.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... ng-memoirs
George Bush accused of borrowing from other books in his memoirs
Former US president's Decision Points contains anecdotes seemingly lifted from books by several authors
Chris McGreal in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 November 2010
George Bush's memoirs were billed as offering "gripping, never before heard detail" of his time in the White House.
Now it appears that Decision Points is not so much the former president's memoirs as other people's cut and pasted memories.
Bush's account is littered with anecdotes seemingly ripped off from other books and articles, even borrowing without attribution – some might say plagiarising – from critical accounts the White House had previously denounced as inaccurate.
The Huffington Post noted a remarkable similarity between previously published writings and Bush's colourful anecdotes from events at which he had not been present.
Bush borrows heavily from Bob Woodward's account Bush at War, which the White House criticised as inaccurate when it was published in 2002. He also appears to take chunks from a book written by his former press secretary Ari Fleischer.
Bush recounts a meeting between Hamid Karzai and a Tajik warlord on the Afghan president's inauguration day, which he used as an example of hope for the future of the country.
The former president writes: "When Karzai arrived in Kabul for his inauguration on 22 December – 102 days after 9/11 – several Northern Alliance leaders and their bodyguards greeted him at an airport.
"As Karzai walked across the tarmac alone, a stunned Tajik warlord asked where all his men were.
"Karzai responded: 'Why, General, you are my men. All of you who are Afghans are my men.'"
The Huffington Post notes that the account and the quote are lifted almost verbatim and without attribution from a New York Review of Books article by Ahmed Rashid.
Bush also lifts a quote from an interview John McCain gave to the Washington Post on Iraq and then presents it as though McCain had said it to him.
Even where Bush is present and is quoting himself, he appears to have had his memory jogged by the accounts of others without finding much to add.
Many of the borrowed lines are taken from Woodward's Bush at War, with the former president's accounts of meetings bearing a striking similarity to Woodward's.
Bush's publisher has suggested that only confirms the accuracy of Decision Points. Others have suggested it is a reflection of two traits the former president was often criticised for – lack of original thought and laziness.
Bush also quotes Woodward's writings almost word for word in places. Where Woodward writes: "The second option combined cruise missiles with manned bomber attacks," Bush says: "The second option was to combine cruise missile strikes with manned bomber attacks."
And where Woodward's book says: "The third and most robust option was cruise missiles, bombers and what the planners had taken to calling 'boots on the ground'," Bush says: "The third and most aggressive option was to employ cruise missiles, bombers and boots on the ground."
Bush manages to remember exactly the same shouts as Woodward from the crowd at Ground Zero after the 9/11 attacks – "Do not let me down!" and "Whatever it takes" – even though there must have been a slew of them.
He appears to have borrowed from the memoirs of Fleischer in relating an anecdote about a hospital visit to meet injured survivors of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.
Striking similarities between Decision Points and other writings, uncovered by the Huffington Post website
• In Decision Points, Bush describes the inauguration of Hamid Karzai, which he did not attend: "As Karzai walked across the tarmac alone, a stunned Tajik warlord asked where all his men were. Karzai said: 'Why, General, you are my men. All of you who are Afghans are my men.'"
•From Ahmed Rashid's The Mess in Afghanistan in the New York Review of Books, as related personally to him by Karzai: "As the two men shook hands on the tarmac, Fahim [the Tajik warlord] looked confused. 'Where are your men?' he asked. Karzai turned to him in his disarmingly gentle manner of speaking. 'Why General,' he replied, 'You are my men – all of you are Afghans and are my men …'"
• From Decision Points: "The second option was to combine cruise missile strikes with manned bomber attacks."
•From Bob Woodward's Bush at War: "The second option combined cruise missiles with manned bomber attacks."
• From Decision Points: "The third and most aggressive option was to employ cruise missiles, bombers and boots on the ground."
• From Bush At War: "The third and most robust option was cruise missiles, bombers and what the planners had taken to calling 'boots on the ground.'"
• Decision Points: "One man yelled: 'Do not let me down!' Another shouted straight at my face: 'Whatever it takes.'"
• From Bush at War: "'Whatever it takes,' they shouted. One pointed to [Bush] as he walked by and yelled out: 'Don't let me down.'"
• From Decision Points, quoting John McCain in a manner that suggests he is talking to the then president: "'I cannot guarantee success,' he said, 'But I can guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy.'"
•From an interview by McCain with the Washington Post in 2007: "'I cannot guarantee success, but I can guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy,' he said.'"
So can we tack a plagiarism rider onto his crimes against humanity indictment?
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
May as well. No point in leaving anything out.
It's kind of interesting to consider that everything he's done in life has been a failure. He couldn't even manage to pay someone to write a book for him without it blowing up in his face and making him look like even more of a buffoon - if such a thing is possible.
He really should just hide away from public view before it gets any worse for him. I'm pretty sure there's enough playstation games to keep him occupied for the remainder of his sorry existence.
most heinous crime an 'academic'* can do. kill your professor youll probably still pass... try and pass someone elses work off as your own and youre gone.
* no im not suggesting bush is an academic.. just musing out loud.
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96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
well ... in all fairness ... odds of him actually writing this book are 2,000,000 to 1 ... some ghost-writer did it in all likelihood ...
moron...
and if he didn't write the book and some ghost writer did, is the ghost rider guilty of plagiarism, or did bush want those things in there because he liked those parts? :?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it's probably plagiarism but seeing as it isn't a scientific or academic publication - the only concern would be if the lifted part's authors want to sue for proceeds which I suspect they won't ...
Just another way to show how out of touch acedemia is with the real world...in the real world "plagiarism" is something people are expected to instead of reinventing the wheel.
I'd be willing to bet you could find these issues with TONS of books. Just a guess on my part, no facts to back that up. And also nothing that is even remotely worth caring about.
i do find it outrageous that people claim others work as their own. students here in oz are apparently outsourcing their assignments to people in india for about $2 a paper. its bullshit really... that theyre doing it, not that its untrue.
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Digested read: Decision Points by George Bush
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/no ... eorge-bush
During the last days of my presidency I gave serious thought to writing my memoirs. Karl Rove suggested I get a ghost who could write proper sentences and restrict myself to key moments of my time in office that I could retell to my advantage. So what follows is selective euphoric recall.
Quitting drinking was the toughest decision I've ever made. Those closest to me were begging me to carry on. "Think what you're doing, George," they cried. "If you do get sober, you'll go on to be president and wreck the lives of countless people. Do us all a favour and keep getting legless." I'm happy to say the only legless people these days are the US servicemen returning from Afghanistan.
I was extremely proud when my father installed me as governor of Texas. During my time in office I managed to build a new ball park for the Texas Rangers and execute record numbers of mentally ill prisoners. I had no aspirations to higher office until God told me I had a duty to serve my country.
"But Daddy," I said, "I haven't a clue what I'm doing." "That's precisely why you're the right man. Keep your mouth shut and appoint my friends to key jobs and you'll be fine." "And what if we lose the election?" "Your brother Jeb can fix things in Florida."
I have a great sense of humour, but even I struggled to crack a joke on 11 September 2001. As the twin towers collapsed, I was certain we were being attacked. I just didn't know by whom. I was experiencing the fog of war. "It's al-Qaida,' said Condi. "Any relation to Al Gore?" I asked. Condi shook her head. I'd never heard of the Islamic turrurists with a penchant for blowing things up before, but I damn sure haven't forgotten them since. "Turrurism against our nation will not stand," I announced on television. "And for those who aren't too sure what that means, let me put it another way. We're going to kick raghead asses."
The first person to telephone me was Prime Minister Tony Blears. "I want you to know Britain is with you all the way, George. By the way, I just love your macho jeans and cowboy boots." I appreciated that kind of no-nonsense support and over the years Terry Blair has gone on to be one of America's most faithful lapdogs and people should stop being so beastly to him.
It was soon clear going into Afghanistan and installing a corrupt government was not going to be enough in the war on turrur. We would need to invade Iraqistan. People have criticised me for allowing the CIA to sanction waterboarding. Well, let me say here and now that the intelligence gained prevented numerous atrocities, though unfortunately not the invasion of Iraqistan itself. It remains a matter of some regret to me that our intelligence on WMD was entirely incorrect.
On reflection, I also regret shouting "mission accomplished" as Iraqistan descended into chaos and anarchy, but I am proud to have brought democracy and Christian values to that part of the world and if mistakes were made they were definitely someone else's. And let me make it quite clear I also gave serious thought to extending the Freedom Crusade to Iranistan, Syria and France. Make no mistake, God is not a Mozzer.
The most hurtful moment of my presidency was being called a racist for abandoning the black folk to their fate after Hurricane Katrina. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reason I did next to nothing was because they were poor and had voted Democrat. I was also just as shocked as everyone else by the greed of the financial sector that brought the US economy to its knees. I can honestly say Daddy's friends never told me that a total lack of financial regulation and a programme of tax breaks for the rich would be so disastrous.
Oh dear. I seem to have run out of space to include my contribution to global warming, but as I left the White House for the last time, my little dog Barney shat on the lawn. I knelt down to clean it up, but thought, "Sod it. We'll leave this mess for someone else."
Digested read, digested: Most of which I got wrong.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Actually, in the real world your ass will get burned if you plagiarize. Ask Jayson Blair, Zachery Kouwe, and James Frey. The Rolling Stones had to add k.d. Lang to the list of songwriters on "Anybody Seen My Baby?" when it was discovered they'd stolen her melody from "Constant Craving." Men At Work lost a lawsuit and had to pay Larrakin Music royalties from "Down Under" when it was ruled they stole part of the melody from "Kookaburra." Alex Haley may have won a Pulitzer Prize for "Roots," but when it was discovered that he'd plagiarized it he had to fork over half a million dollars... which doesn't sound like much now, but considering that happened in 1978, that was quite a chunk of change.
I'd add that this IS something worth caring about. One of the things both liberal and conservative posters on this board have agreed upon in the past is that one of the things that pisses us all off is a lack of accountability. Well, I'd say not giving a crap about an ex-president plagiarizing his memoir isn't doing a whole lot to fix that problem.
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I was just gonna post this. You beat me to it
lets not forget the spectacular case of the verves bittersweet symphony.
as for men at work... im still shaking my head at that one. . i saw a kookaburra this morning sitting on the powerlines. always a nice sight.
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