If lives are at stake, why not extract the information however necessary? It's absurd to put lives in jeopardy because we might hurt someone's "feelings."
so thats a no on the write in ballot I guess.......you're a democrat....I seeee.
have a nice day young lady.
Godfather.
It doesn’t take a democrat to see through your transparent and juvenile bullshit. Hell, a retarded cave fish isn’t so blind that it couldn’t. You are all talk.
ya know what..this is the most fun I've had in a while you sound like a confused young lady
in a train station trying to get home....auntie M there's no place like home there's no place like home
where's Toto ?
Godfather.
I see you are nearly as gifted with humor as you were born with raw intelligence. Do you really think that nobody here recognizes the fact that you never even attempt to defend the nonsensical, xenophobic (I’ll wait while you get a dictionary) tripe dripping from your lips? Your cowardly and predictable response is to redirect with really lame jokes that miss the mark as bad as your political and social analyses.
Seriously, calling me a girl is the best you can do? Notice how I stick to the facts, while you descend into trivial baiting. Nice job, Mr. passive aggressive, you really showed me.
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If lives are at stake, why not extract the information however necessary? It's absurd to put lives in jeopardy because we might hurt someone's "feelings."
I agree.
Godfather.
something to think about -- I read something interesting here:
"Sen. John McCain, who has led the Republican charge against torture, recently said, "This isn't about who they are. This is about who we are. These are the values that distinguish us from our enemies."
In a November Newsweek article, he put it this way: "What I … mourn is what we lose when … we allow, confuse, or encourage our soldiers to forget that best sense of ourselves, that which is our greatest strength—that we are different and better than our enemies, that we fight for an idea, not a tribe, not a land, not a king … but for an idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.""
your not a young lady ??? oooof ! you better check and make sure.
Godfather.
And you might want to go back to elementary school. Your handle on your native language is even worse than your jokes, and I didn’t think that was possible.
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your not a young lady ??? oooof ! you better check and make sure.
Godfather.
And you might want to go back to elementary school. Your handle on your native language is even worse than your jokes, and I didn’t think that was possible.
my sides and cheeks hurt from laughing so hard, you just don't give up..this is great.
so what did you find...boy or girl ?
but for an idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.""
If were all equal, and they would do it to us, then?
i think the problem we have, is that we really do believe were better than them. I don't think we are, i think were the same. I think were the ones who don't get it.
my sides and cheeks hurt from laughing so hard, you just don't give up..this is great.
so what did you find...boy or girl ?
Godfather.
Let me guess, in that brutally simplistic mind of yours, you think you're winning this exchange? Again, everyone sees straight through your bullshit. You need to be a whole lot smarter, and possibly read a book or two, before exchanging barbs with me. Your mental fumbling is worse than watching a man in a straight jacket try to undo his button-fly jeans. You would lose any mental competition imaginable to a deep-fried Twinkie.
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my sides and cheeks hurt from laughing so hard, you just don't give up..this is great.
so what did you find...boy or girl ?
Godfather.
Let me guess, in that brutally simplistic mind of yours, you think you're winning this exchange? Again, everyone sees straight through your bullshit. You need to be a whole lot smarter, and possibly read a book or two, before exchanging barbs with me. Your mental fumbling is worse than watching a man in a straight jacket try to undo his button-fly jeans. You would lose any mental competition imaginable to a deep-fried Twinkie.
Torture gives bad information, period. As Jesse Ventura once said, "Give me Dick Cheney, a waterboard, and one hour, and I will have him confessing to the Sharon Tate Murders."
As for who is even supposed to be subject to interrogation, I still maintain that most of these people being interrogated are not card-carrying members of Al Queada, and there is probably little that could be done to prove whether they are or aren't.
Bottomline-- there is only one way to fight terror, and that is to not be afraid. Get the US out of the Middle East, stop funding both sides of ridiculous religious wars, and use intelligence to watch for and snuff out whatever comes this way.
How does one reply to this level of infancy? Do you practice your "burns” on your children, or do even they take you to school? Not literally, I know you’ve never set foot in an actual school.
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But if you've ever been arrested, (which i have, case of mistaken identity, long story) and your in the little room, handcuffed to the desk with the light shining in your eyes and the cops telling you your going to jail for 20 years unless you talk, but if you confess right now you can probably be out in 3 to 4 years.
Let me tell you, you are scared SHITLESS!!!
Being tortured by the miltary is beyond immagining, i beleive i would tell them anything they wanted to know.
More so if i reall thought they were gona kill me if i didn't.
SADAAM HUSSEIN HIMSELF IS/WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!
as were the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
inflicting mass destruction on iraqi innocents and our own people
and we're still in afghanistan leaving wakes of destruction and have made very little progress in reigning in this problem
and bin laden? still can't find him
we cannot match the fervor with which these people fight
yet we continue
the end is nowhere near in sight and the mass destruction will continue.
Gotta go, kids, but remember Godfather, just in case you find yourself in this situation again, calling someone a woman isn’t an insult unless you’re a sexist piece of shit that believes females are somehow inferior. Although, when considering all your other archaic, ignorant, and racist beliefs, it doesn’t seem like much of a stretch. Your wife must be a lucky woman, or, at least you think so. Good luck finding your way back to 1950 when crackers like you ruled the country with an iron fist.
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SADAAM HUSSEIN HIMSELF IS/WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!
as were the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
inflicting mass destruction on iraqi innocents and our own people
and we're still in afghanistan leaving wakes of destruction and have made very little progress in reigning in this problem
and bin laden? still can't find him
we cannot match the fervor with which these people fight
yet we continue
the end is nowhere near in sight and the mass destruction will continue.
I'm only going to guess that you haven't done very much research on S.H.
cosmo ! I'm shocked :shock: ...and hurt those are some horrible things to say about anybody, you should be ashamed of your self,you seem to be well versed in moronic statements...hay you practice don't you..cheater does your momma know you post this kind of stuff ? I'll bet she wouldn't be very happy with you buster !
Godfather.
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Once again... I have no idea what you are talking about. I must admit... it has been many years since I have been on the schoolyard so I have to apologise for not being very adept in infantile speak.
I'm just saying... if you want people to quit whining and crying about Bush... you should do the same and quit whinninhg and crying about Obama.
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Gotta go, kids, but remember Godfather, just in case you find yourself in this situation again, calling someone a woman isn’t an insult unless you’re a sexist piece of shit that believes females are somehow inferior. Although, when considering all your other archaic, ignorant, and racist beliefs, it doesn’t seem like much of a stretch. Your wife must be a lucky woman, or, at least you think so. Good luck finding your way back to 1950 when crackers like you ruled the country with an iron fist.
cracker ?,ignorant, and racist beliefs ?....ohhhh myyy
goodnight eyedclaar,sweet dreams oh and thank you for the wonderful time we spent together you are such a trooper and a good little....oh never mind.
SADAAM HUSSEIN HIMSELF IS/WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!
as were the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
inflicting mass destruction on iraqi innocents and our own people
and we're still in afghanistan leaving wakes of destruction and have made very little progress in reigning in this problem
and bin laden? still can't find him
we cannot match the fervor with which these people fight
yet we continue
the end is nowhere near in sight and the mass destruction will continue.
I'm only going to guess that haven't done very much research on S.H.
me?
i agree he was a weapon of mass destruction
no argument here
so were the buck passing bush, cheney, rumsfeld . . .
If lives are at stake, why not extract the information however necessary? It's absurd to put lives in jeopardy because we might hurt someone's "feelings."
what life threatening information have they ever got from torture. can you back that up? even if you can, it's still a bullshit excuse to condone torture.
when you see the fundamental values of the nation being assaulted, and when you see your moral authority slipping away, how on earth can you stay silent about their reuplsive actions. how can you defend that?
under a 1994 UN convention, torture means "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted" to obtain information.
the convention has been ratified by 136 countries including the US. the UN explicitly banned torture after the second world war, when its general assembly included a prohibition against torture in the landmark universal declaration of human rights. Article 5 states: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."
cosmo ! I'm shocked :shock: ...and hurt those are some horrible things to say about anybody, you should be ashamed of your self,you seem to be well versed in moronic statements...hay you practice don't you..cheater does your momma know you post this kind of stuff ? I'll bet she wouldn't be very happy with you buster !
Godfather.
...
Once again... I have no idea what you are talking about. I must admit... it has been many years since I have been on the schoolyard so I have to apologise for not being very adept in infantile speak.
I'm just saying... if you want people to quit whining and crying about Bush... you should do the same and quit whinninhg and crying about Obama.
if I never posted another thing about nobama do you think the bush bashing would stop ?
I doubt it because everybody needs to point the finger at somebody even if it does not matter anymore,
he's out he's history but instead of moving forward everybody looks back and points, but as you wish I will agree to your proposal, and don't sell your self short your great at infantile speak,your the best !
SADAAM HUSSEIN HIMSELF IS/WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!
Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. just horribe.
someone asked this in another thread and it was ignored.
do you think GWB deserves the same end to his life as Hussein for all his crimes against humanity? how about all of the innocent lives he snuffed out for the greater American good?
SADAAM HUSSEIN HIMSELF IS/WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!
Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. just horribe.
someone asked this in another thread and it was ignored.
do you think GWB deserves the same end to his life as Hussein for all his crimes against humanity? how about all of the innocent lives he snuffed out for the greater American good?
War is a terible thing. Innocent lives get taken. That is war. Bush was nothing like Saddam. Saddam was an evil dictator. Bush was not. Now if Bush had a State of the Union Adress and called democratic names one by one that were against his policies, had them led outside to be shot, then yes, or if Bush dumped chemicals on millions of people simply because of their beliefes, then yes again,I would say he deserves the same fate as Saddam.
I don't believe Bush has any mass graves full of charred bodies hidden at the ranch. And I don't believe Bush would ever torture young children forcing the childs parents to watch. I hold no qualms with Bush when it comes to removing Saddam Hussein from the planet earth.
Sorry, I really should have put more thought into this before posting. I keep having to edit to add more. But how has anything in Iraq served for the greater American good. In the long run it will be a better Iraq. I think long term, very long from now, when we are dead and gone, Iraq will be a better place because of Bush.
SADAAM HUSSEIN HIMSELF IS/WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!
Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. just horribe.
someone asked this in another thread and it was ignored.
do you think GWB deserves the same end to his life as Hussein for all his crimes against humanity? how about all of the innocent lives he snuffed out for the greater American good?
so thats a no on the write in ballot I guess.......you're a democrat....I seeee.
have a nice day young lady.
Godfather.
It doesn’t take a democrat to see through your transparent and juvenile bullshit. Hell, a retarded cave fish isn’t so blind that it couldn’t. You are all talk.
ya know what..this is the most fun I've had in a while you sound like a confused young lady
in a train station trying to get home....auntie M there's no place like home there's no place like home
where's Toto ?
Godfather.
dude what is with you acting like a 10 year old today? you have really been talking a lot of trash to alot of people, and really not contributing to the discussion other than lobbing insults and basically playing around. you are 50 years old, and acting like that really damages your credibility. and i am saying that as someone who used to respect your opinions and positions. i did not agree often but i understood what you were saying. what you are doing today is really not furthering the discussion in any meaningful way.
and i will say it again, bush should face charges for crimes against humanity and breaking international law by waging aggressive war and authorizing use of torture as a matter of procedure. how anyone can defend him in this situation is completely beyond me.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This quote is really disturbing to me. Why is it Gimmie you never have a problem standing up for the enemy and can never stand tall and proud for our own troops. The torture in guan bothers you more then the torture fo our own troops. :?
i stand up for human rights over all laws.
the difference between you and me is that you see torture of our troops as bad. i see all torture as bad. i view our troops as invaders of a foreign land, breaking international law. they know the risks of what can happen to them, and they were willing participants in breaking international law and waging aggressive war. if the taliban catches and tortures our guys it is not the afghan government, but a rogue terrorist organization who is not bound by international law.
i feel that locking up people who may or may not have been enemy combatants in gitmo without charges and my government, who IS bounf by international law torturing the shit out of them is dead wrong.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if I never posted another thing about nobama do you think the bush bashing would stop ?
I doubt it because everybody needs to point the finger at somebody even if it does not matter anymore,
he's out he's history but instead of moving forward everybody looks back and points, but as you wish I will agree to your proposal, and don't sell your self short your great at infantile speak,your the best !
Godfather.
...
But, that is the problem... you HAVE been whinning and crying about Obama. So, it makes it appear that you are either being hypocritical or you are too stupid to know what you are saying. Which is it?
As for Bush... It DOES matter because he is the one who is responsible for creating the situations we are facing today. I find it hard that you cannot comprehend this.
Let me try to put it in the simplest of examples...
Let's say, you buy a car. The previous owner puts battery acid in the gas tank.
You are the one who owns it now... so, yes, you have to fix it. Does that mean you are the one responsible for the current condition of the car?
What you are telling me... is that you would not hold the seller responsible for his actions... simply becase he no longer owns the car. I that how you see it? Is that how you define 'responsibility'?
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I agree.
Godfather.
Something we can all agree on.
I see you are nearly as gifted with humor as you were born with raw intelligence. Do you really think that nobody here recognizes the fact that you never even attempt to defend the nonsensical, xenophobic (I’ll wait while you get a dictionary) tripe dripping from your lips? Your cowardly and predictable response is to redirect with really lame jokes that miss the mark as bad as your political and social analyses.
Seriously, calling me a girl is the best you can do? Notice how I stick to the facts, while you descend into trivial baiting. Nice job, Mr. passive aggressive, you really showed me.
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something to think about -- I read something interesting here:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... 23.32.html
"Sen. John McCain, who has led the Republican charge against torture, recently said, "This isn't about who they are. This is about who we are. These are the values that distinguish us from our enemies."
In a November Newsweek article, he put it this way: "What I … mourn is what we lose when … we allow, confuse, or encourage our soldiers to forget that best sense of ourselves, that which is our greatest strength—that we are different and better than our enemies, that we fight for an idea, not a tribe, not a land, not a king … but for an idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.""
Godfather.
And you might want to go back to elementary school. Your handle on your native language is even worse than your jokes, and I didn’t think that was possible.
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my sides and cheeks hurt from laughing so hard, you just don't give up..this is great.
so what did you find...boy or girl ?
Godfather.
If were all equal, and they would do it to us, then?
i think the problem we have, is that we really do believe were better than them. I don't think we are, i think were the same. I think were the ones who don't get it.
just between you me and the train..I have had one hell of a week so far and had to blow off some steam.
Godfather.
Let me guess, in that brutally simplistic mind of yours, you think you're winning this exchange? Again, everyone sees straight through your bullshit. You need to be a whole lot smarter, and possibly read a book or two, before exchanging barbs with me. Your mental fumbling is worse than watching a man in a straight jacket try to undo his button-fly jeans. You would lose any mental competition imaginable to a deep-fried Twinkie.
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you haven't checked yet have you ....
Godfather.
As for who is even supposed to be subject to interrogation, I still maintain that most of these people being interrogated are not card-carrying members of Al Queada, and there is probably little that could be done to prove whether they are or aren't.
Bottomline-- there is only one way to fight terror, and that is to not be afraid. Get the US out of the Middle East, stop funding both sides of ridiculous religious wars, and use intelligence to watch for and snuff out whatever comes this way.
How does one reply to this level of infancy? Do you practice your "burns” on your children, or do even they take you to school? Not literally, I know you’ve never set foot in an actual school.
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I've heard this before, it's got merit to it.
But if you've ever been arrested, (which i have, case of mistaken identity, long story) and your in the little room, handcuffed to the desk with the light shining in your eyes and the cops telling you your going to jail for 20 years unless you talk, but if you confess right now you can probably be out in 3 to 4 years.
Let me tell you, you are scared SHITLESS!!!
Being tortured by the miltary is beyond immagining, i beleive i would tell them anything they wanted to know.
More so if i reall thought they were gona kill me if i didn't.
My take on it anyway.
as were the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
inflicting mass destruction on iraqi innocents and our own people
and we're still in afghanistan leaving wakes of destruction and have made very little progress in reigning in this problem
and bin laden? still can't find him
we cannot match the fervor with which these people fight
yet we continue
the end is nowhere near in sight and the mass destruction will continue.
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
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I'm only going to guess that you haven't done very much research on S.H.
Once again... I have no idea what you are talking about. I must admit... it has been many years since I have been on the schoolyard so I have to apologise for not being very adept in infantile speak.
I'm just saying... if you want people to quit whining and crying about Bush... you should do the same and quit whinninhg and crying about Obama.
Hail, Hail!!!
cracker ?,ignorant, and racist beliefs ?....ohhhh myyy
goodnight eyedclaar,sweet dreams oh and thank you for the wonderful time we spent together you are such a trooper and a good little....oh never mind.
Godfather.
me?
i agree he was a weapon of mass destruction
no argument here
so were the buck passing bush, cheney, rumsfeld . . .
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
when you see the fundamental values of the nation being assaulted, and when you see your moral authority slipping away, how on earth can you stay silent about their reuplsive actions. how can you defend that?
under a 1994 UN convention, torture means "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted" to obtain information.
the convention has been ratified by 136 countries including the US. the UN explicitly banned torture after the second world war, when its general assembly included a prohibition against torture in the landmark universal declaration of human rights. Article 5 states: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."
there is no excuse for torture. none at all.
if I never posted another thing about nobama do you think the bush bashing would stop ?
I doubt it because everybody needs to point the finger at somebody even if it does not matter anymore,
he's out he's history but instead of moving forward everybody looks back and points, but as you wish I will agree to your proposal, and don't sell your self short your great at infantile speak,your the best !
Godfather.
someone asked this in another thread and it was ignored.
do you think GWB deserves the same end to his life as Hussein for all his crimes against humanity? how about all of the innocent lives he snuffed out for the greater American good?
War is a terible thing. Innocent lives get taken. That is war. Bush was nothing like Saddam. Saddam was an evil dictator. Bush was not. Now if Bush had a State of the Union Adress and called democratic names one by one that were against his policies, had them led outside to be shot, then yes, or if Bush dumped chemicals on millions of people simply because of their beliefes, then yes again,I would say he deserves the same fate as Saddam.
I don't believe Bush has any mass graves full of charred bodies hidden at the ranch. And I don't believe Bush would ever torture young children forcing the childs parents to watch. I hold no qualms with Bush when it comes to removing Saddam Hussein from the planet earth.
Sorry, I really should have put more thought into this before posting. I keep having to edit to add more. But how has anything in Iraq served for the greater American good. In the long run it will be a better Iraq. I think long term, very long from now, when we are dead and gone, Iraq will be a better place because of Bush.
.....and Tony Blair
and i will say it again, bush should face charges for crimes against humanity and breaking international law by waging aggressive war and authorizing use of torture as a matter of procedure. how anyone can defend him in this situation is completely beyond me.
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the difference between you and me is that you see torture of our troops as bad. i see all torture as bad. i view our troops as invaders of a foreign land, breaking international law. they know the risks of what can happen to them, and they were willing participants in breaking international law and waging aggressive war. if the taliban catches and tortures our guys it is not the afghan government, but a rogue terrorist organization who is not bound by international law.
i feel that locking up people who may or may not have been enemy combatants in gitmo without charges and my government, who IS bounf by international law torturing the shit out of them is dead wrong.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But, that is the problem... you HAVE been whinning and crying about Obama. So, it makes it appear that you are either being hypocritical or you are too stupid to know what you are saying. Which is it?
As for Bush... It DOES matter because he is the one who is responsible for creating the situations we are facing today. I find it hard that you cannot comprehend this.
Let me try to put it in the simplest of examples...
Let's say, you buy a car. The previous owner puts battery acid in the gas tank.
You are the one who owns it now... so, yes, you have to fix it. Does that mean you are the one responsible for the current condition of the car?
What you are telling me... is that you would not hold the seller responsible for his actions... simply becase he no longer owns the car. I that how you see it? Is that how you define 'responsibility'?
Hail, Hail!!!