What I've never understood is how people captured from Afghanistan can be differentiated as insurgents, terrorists, or simply people who are protecting what is theirs and fighting against an occupying force. It's not like these people carry around 13 forms of ID like we do here in the states, and many of their names really aren't all that different from person to person. Considering how there are only a couple of thousand of them that have any real plans of trying to hurt other people, how can American intelligence ever actually tell if these guys are even worthy of interrogation in the first place?
ahhhh but it's ok to kill a money whore...double standards uh Truth, I'll bet the boys from PJ make quite a bit of money so does that make them money whores also and beheading them would be ok as well ?
our troops through out our history have been captured and tortured you know that don't you ?
Godfather.
do you ever think our troops have been captured and killed because they represent our government and our foreign policy? a lot of people around the world hate us for our foreign policy and take it out on our troops if they get a chance. i'm not saying it is right, because it isn't.
it is not a double standard. and no it is not ok to kill contractors either. i just have no sympathy for them when they chose to go over there and take a job paying 5-6 times what a soldier makes to work for companies like blackwater, kbr, and haliburton. they knew the risk of capture and they had no business being over there in the first place.
i am not sure where you are going with pearl jam needing beheading. it makes no sense to me, because pearl jam has advocated peace, no war, and has been vocal about their anti-war beliefs. they have made no money by going over there and have not profitted from any defense corporations. so it is apples to oranges.
I was just making a point about money and those that earn it, and I was just giving you a hard time for the "money whore comment" just joking with ya Chad.
Godfather.
i see what you are saying. i disagree with the analogy but i understand what you are trying to say.
btw, my name is not chad.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Just in case I have been unfairly lumped into a certain category on this train, let me make it clear to the American people that I do not agree with the Godfather on anything outside of the now dead DP thread, and even then, for much different and articulated reasons.
That is all.
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it's not being soft. it's being a better person/country than these people. we just make it easy for them to hate us.
we really need an isolationism period. long term it's not the answer, but maybe for 5-10 years we just pull everything back into the country, tariff the hell out of foreign products, and say good luck world.
I agree 100% with everything said here,... I've been saying this for years. The rest of the world don't want us in their business,... so lets get out of it.
It wouldn't take long for SOME parts of the world to beg us to "stick our noses" back in their business.
edit: we just need to take care of our own shit right now.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Just in case I have been unfairly lumped into a certain category on this train, let me make it clear to the American people that I do not agree with the Godfather on anything outside of the now dead DP thread, and even then, for much different and articulated reasons.
That is all.
does this mean you're not voting for me on the 2012 presidential election write in ballot ?
that's ok, I know sometimes great men are over looked.
What I've never understood is how people captured from Afghanistan can be differentiated as insurgents, terrorists, or simply people who are protecting what is theirs and fighting against an occupying force. It's not like these people carry around 13 forms of ID like we do here in the states, and many of their names really aren't all that different from person to person. Considering how there are only a couple of thousand of them that have any real plans of trying to hurt other people, how can American intelligence ever actually tell if these guys are even worthy of interrogation in the first place?
they don't have to ... everyone over there is fair game under US discretion ... you guys roll up and kill whoever you want without consequence ... that is the bitter truth ...
ohhh my gosh...SO FREAKIN WHAT !!!!
WHAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA !!!!!! whinners and crybabys wake up !
Godfather.
...
Here's a deal...
We will shut up already about things Bush acutally did... if you shut the fuck up already about thing that you believe President Obama does.
Deal?
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Hail, Hail!!!
What I've never understood is how people captured from Afghanistan can be differentiated as insurgents, terrorists, or simply people who are protecting what is theirs and fighting against an occupying force. It's not like these people carry around 13 forms of ID like we do here in the states, and many of their names really aren't all that different from person to person. Considering how there are only a couple of thousand of them that have any real plans of trying to hurt other people, how can American intelligence ever actually tell if these guys are even worthy of interrogation in the first place?
they don't have to ... everyone over there is fair game under US discretion ... you guys roll up and kill whoever you want without consequence ... that is the bitter truth ...
all in the name of greed ...
last time I checked, "us guys" were not the only ones rolling up and killing whoever we want.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
ohhh my gosh...SO FREAKIN WHAT !!!!
WHAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA !!!!!! whinners and crybabys wake up !
Godfather.
...
Here's a deal...
We will shut up already about things Bush acutally did... if you shut the fuck up already about thing that you believe President Obama does.
Deal?
Cosmo that wasn't very nice, I don't think nobama does anything...what has he done ?
did I hurt your feelings buddy...I'm sorry, all better now ?
ohhh my gosh...SO FREAKIN WHAT !!!!
WHAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA !!!!!! whinners and crybabys wake up !
Godfather.
...
Here's a deal...
We will shut up already about things Bush acutally did... if you shut the fuck up already about thing that you believe President Obama does.
Deal?
Cosmo that wasn't very nice, I don't think nobama does anything...what has he done ?
did I hurt your feelings buddy...I'm sorry, all better now ?
Godfather.
...
Actually, I don't care if you have legitimate criticism of the President (ANY president, including President Obama)... it's the moronic, made up shit about birth certificates, indoctrination speeches to school kids, taking away your guns or spending 220 million dollars per day in India. I don't mind your legitimate criticisms... I take issue with your moronic lies.
I believe former president Bush earned his criticisms because of the actually decisions, actions and outcomes that are clearly visable.
...
And if, as you say... President Obama has done nothing... isn't that better than sending our kids off to war?
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Hail, Hail!!!
we're Americans,we don't take no crap ! God Bless America
Godfather.
Who would Jesus torture, Godfather? You don't even adhere to your own beliefs, christian. I've never even seen you attempt to match your religion with your views. How does that work exactly?
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cosmo ! I'm shocked :shock: ...and hurt those are some horrible things to say about anybody, you should be ashamed of your self,you seem to be well versed in moronic statements...hay you practice don't you..cheater does your momma know you post this kind of stuff ? I'll bet she wouldn't be very happy with you buster !
eyedclaar I do have faith and as far as that goes I'm not sure if some of my views are right or wrong to be honest with you,but I don't hide behind my faith in God and don't use his word to attack another person..unlike some of the non believers on here who use his words to attack another's beliefs.
and why do you ask anyway last I read about you you aren't voting for me in the 2012 presidential election write in ballot.....can I change your mind ?
cosmo ! I'm shocked :shock: ...and hurt those are some horrible things to say about anybody, you should be ashamed of your self,you seem to be well versed in moronic statements...hay you practice don't you..cheater does your momma know you post this kind of stuff ? I'll bet she wouldn't be very happy with you buster !
eyedclaar I do have faith and as far as that goes I'm not sure if some of my views are right or wrong to be honest with you,but I don't hide behind my faith in God and don't use his word to attack another person..unlike some of the non believers on here who use his words to attack another's beliefs.
and why do you ask anyway last I read about you you aren't voting for me in the 2012 presidential election write in ballot.....can I change your mind ?
Godfather.
far be it from me to get into a religious discussion
but
bush claimed to talk to god
and god told him there were wmd-s
we (the alliance) burned, maimed, tortured, and killed, yes we did,
in the name of who? god and jesus, that's who
making it no more or less than what others claim to do in the names of allah and mohammed
gimme shelter
war, it's just a shot away
fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them here??
they have told us they're not through over here
not even close
Wait so some people really believe that Bush did a good job :oops:
including Bush
he harbors no guilt for the state of the economy while he was in office
or how he left it
no apologies for the lack of wmd-s
i have no real opinion about kanye west but i cannot believe he apologized
imo bush is a racist, a sexist, and an elitist
(his beloved mother that kept a miscarried fetus in a jar
said that the people in the astro-dome were better off than they were before katrina)
enough people liked him to put him back for four more years
i would hope that they are miserable, guilt-ridden individuals
but they are too busy obama bashing, deferring their guilt onto the new guy
eyedclaar I do have faith and as far as that goes I'm not sure if some of my views are right or wrong to be honest with you,but I don't hide behind my faith in God and don't use his word to attack another person..unlike some of the non believers on here who use his words to attack another's beliefs.
and why do you ask anyway last I read about you you aren't voting for me in the 2012 presidential election write in ballot.....can I change your mind ?
Godfather.
No, you talk about your religion when it’s convenient and completely ignore those teachings when it isn’t. Maybe I should introduce you to my god, Waffle. Seems like a better fit for ya’.
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eyedclaar I do have faith and as far as that goes I'm not sure if some of my views are right or wrong to be honest with you,but I don't hide behind my faith in God and don't use his word to attack another person..unlike some of the non believers on here who use his words to attack another's beliefs.
and why do you ask anyway last I read about you you aren't voting for me in the 2012 presidential election write in ballot.....can I change your mind ?
Godfather.
No, you talk about your religion when it’s convenient and completely ignore those teachings when it isn’t. Maybe I should introduce you to my god, Waffle. Seems like a better fit for ya’.
so thats a no on the write in ballot I guess.......you're a democrat....I seeee.
have a nice day young lady.
so thats a no on the write in ballot I guess.......you're a democrat....I seeee.
have a nice day young lady.
Godfather.
It doesn’t take a democrat to see through your transparent and juvenile bullshit. Hell, a retarded cave fish isn’t so blind that it couldn’t. You are all talk.
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Wait so some people really believe that Bush did a good job :oops:
including Bush
he harbors no guilt for the state of the economy while he was in office
or how he left it
no apologies for the lack of wmd-s
i have no real opinion about kanye west but i cannot believe he apologized
imo bush is a racist, a sexist, and an elitist
(his beloved mother that kept a miscarried fetus in a jar
said that the people in the astro-dome were better off than they were before katrina)
enough people liked him to put him back for four more years
i would hope that they are miserable, guilt-ridden individuals
but they are too busy obama bashing, deferring their guilt onto the new guy
if american troops were being captured and tortured, people would be up in arms over this shit. America is never held responsible when it comes to shit like this.
our troops have been captured and tortured , our people have been beheaded and tapes sent to America so they could brag about it...where have you been ?
Godfather.
what troops have been beheaded on videotape???
contractors yes, but they are money whores anyway.
This quote is really disturbing to me. Why is it Gimmie you never have a problem standing up for the enemy and can never stand tall and proud for our own troops. The torture in guan bothers you more then the torture fo our own troops. :?
If lives are at stake, why not extract the information however necessary? It's absurd to put lives in jeopardy because we might hurt someone's "feelings."
so thats a no on the write in ballot I guess.......you're a democrat....I seeee.
have a nice day young lady.
Godfather.
It doesn’t take a democrat to see through your transparent and juvenile bullshit. Hell, a retarded cave fish isn’t so blind that it couldn’t. You are all talk.
ya know what..this is the most fun I've had in a while you sound like a confused young lady
in a train station trying to get home....auntie M there's no place like home there's no place like home
where's Toto ?
If lives are at stake, why not extract the information however necessary? It's absurd to put lives in jeopardy because we might hurt someone's "feelings."
Are you suggesting that using torture is Ok to get info?
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I agree 100% with everything said here,... I've been saying this for years. The rest of the world don't want us in their business,... so lets get out of it.
It wouldn't take long for SOME parts of the world to beg us to "stick our noses" back in their business.
edit: we just need to take care of our own shit right now.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
does this mean you're not voting for me on the 2012 presidential election write in ballot ?
that's ok, I know sometimes great men are over looked.
Godfather.
they don't have to ... everyone over there is fair game under US discretion ... you guys roll up and kill whoever you want without consequence ... that is the bitter truth ...
all in the name of greed ...
Here's a deal...
We will shut up already about things Bush acutally did... if you shut the fuck up already about thing that you believe President Obama does.
Deal?
Hail, Hail!!!
last time I checked, "us guys" were not the only ones rolling up and killing whoever we want.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Cosmo that wasn't very nice, I don't think nobama does anything...what has he done ?
did I hurt your feelings buddy...I'm sorry, all better now ?
Godfather.
no ... definitely not ... but you're definitely the biggest and most effective at it ...
Someone's gotta be the Best.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
we're Americans,we don't take no crap ! God Bless America
Godfather.
we bring alot of this crap on ourselves.
Actually, I don't care if you have legitimate criticism of the President (ANY president, including President Obama)... it's the moronic, made up shit about birth certificates, indoctrination speeches to school kids, taking away your guns or spending 220 million dollars per day in India. I don't mind your legitimate criticisms... I take issue with your moronic lies.
I believe former president Bush earned his criticisms because of the actually decisions, actions and outcomes that are clearly visable.
...
And if, as you say... President Obama has done nothing... isn't that better than sending our kids off to war?
Hail, Hail!!!
Who would Jesus torture, Godfather? You don't even adhere to your own beliefs, christian. I've never even seen you attempt to match your religion with your views. How does that work exactly?
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eyedclaar I do have faith and as far as that goes I'm not sure if some of my views are right or wrong to be honest with you,but I don't hide behind my faith in God and don't use his word to attack another person..unlike some of the non believers on here who use his words to attack another's beliefs.
and why do you ask anyway last I read about you you aren't voting for me in the 2012 presidential election write in ballot.....can I change your mind ?
Godfather.
far be it from me to get into a religious discussion
but
bush claimed to talk to god
and god told him there were wmd-s
we (the alliance) burned, maimed, tortured, and killed, yes we did,
in the name of who? god and jesus, that's who
making it no more or less than what others claim to do in the names of allah and mohammed
gimme shelter
war, it's just a shot away
fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them here??
they have told us they're not through over here
not even close
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
including Bush
he harbors no guilt for the state of the economy while he was in office
or how he left it
no apologies for the lack of wmd-s
i have no real opinion about kanye west but i cannot believe he apologized
imo bush is a racist, a sexist, and an elitist
(his beloved mother that kept a miscarried fetus in a jar
said that the people in the astro-dome were better off than they were before katrina)
enough people liked him to put him back for four more years
i would hope that they are miserable, guilt-ridden individuals
but they are too busy obama bashing, deferring their guilt onto the new guy
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
No, you talk about your religion when it’s convenient and completely ignore those teachings when it isn’t. Maybe I should introduce you to my god, Waffle. Seems like a better fit for ya’.
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so thats a no on the write in ballot I guess.......you're a democrat....I seeee.
have a nice day young lady.
Godfather.
It doesn’t take a democrat to see through your transparent and juvenile bullshit. Hell, a retarded cave fish isn’t so blind that it couldn’t. You are all talk.
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Yeah ain't that the truth ..
This quote is really disturbing to me. Why is it Gimmie you never have a problem standing up for the enemy and can never stand tall and proud for our own troops. The torture in guan bothers you more then the torture fo our own troops. :?
in a train station trying to get home....auntie M there's no place like home there's no place like home
where's Toto ?
Godfather.
Are you suggesting that using torture is Ok to get info?