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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    For the most part, I avoid trusting charts and graphs unless they are done by neutral 3rd parties and they provide the conditions for which the data was collected.

    My employment chart is in my brain and memory. Good times in the 90's. Bad times during dot.com bust and 9/11 until 2003. Average to good times through 2006. Bad times from 2007 to current time. Charts can be made to justify anything but I'll let my eyeballs figure this out. Of course, my analysis is subjective of my travels through the West Coast and the Midwest and the hiring patterns of the businesses I've worked for.

    And which party was in control for most of the 90s? :lol:
    Statistically . . .

    President - Dems 7; GOP 3
    Senate - Dems 5; GOP 5
    Congress - Dems 5; GOP 5

    Dems win. Times were good. And you could still sport a mullet for the early parts :lol:

    Fun fact: The democrats ruled the house of representatives for 46 straight years before turning it over in the '96 election. That is a very good run.
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  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    Jason P wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    For the most part, I avoid trusting charts and graphs unless they are done by neutral 3rd parties and they provide the conditions for which the data was collected.

    My employment chart is in my brain and memory. Good times in the 90's. Bad times during dot.com bust and 9/11 until 2003. Average to good times through 2006. Bad times from 2007 to current time. Charts can be made to justify anything but I'll let my eyeballs figure this out. Of course, my analysis is subjective of my travels through the West Coast and the Midwest and the hiring patterns of the businesses I've worked for.

    And which party was in control for most of the 90s? :lol:
    Statistically . . .

    President - Dems 7; GOP 3
    Senate - Dems 5; GOP 5
    Congress - Dems 5; GOP 5

    Dems win. Times were good. And you could still sport a mullet for the early parts :lol:

    Fun fact: The democrats ruled the house of representatives for 46 straight years before turning it over in the '96 election. That is a very good run.

    You still can rock a mullet, as long as you don't mind living in the South and wearing jorts lol
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Jason P wrote:
    Statistically . . .

    President - Dems 7; GOP 3
    Senate - Dems 5; GOP 5
    Congress - Dems 5; GOP 5

    Dems win. Times were good. And you could still sport a mullet for the early parts :lol:

    Fun fact: The democrats ruled the house of representatives for 46 straight years before turning it over in the '96 election. That is a very good run.
    Actually, before the Dems are awarded the winners, I will need to get a ruling on the field to see how an impeachment is figured in to the final score. We may have a USC / NCAA ruling :mrgreen:
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    You still can rock a mullet, as long as you don't mind living in the South and wearing jorts lol
    :lol:
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Electric_Delta wrote:

    The private sector can fix anything when left the hell alone.
    :o

    That is the most preposterous statement on this whole thread.

    Let me tell you something. I live in a country that is suffering one of the deepest and most intractable recessions in Europe, and there is no debating the fact that it was the private sector, supported wholeheartedly by a conservative government who aren't too keen on social spending, that precipitated it. Business interests were essentially given free rein, regulation was a myth, they acted on the delusion that constant growth was all that mattered, and they succeeded in nothing other than ensuring that our economy is pretty well fucked. Sound at all familiar?

    Unrestrained capitalism, the private sector, caused this financial crisis. And you believe that left to it's own devices, it can fix it?! If that's indicative of the kind of head-in-the-sand thinking that drove the vote on Tuesday, it's no wonder America is in the pathetic state it's in.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,079
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Combative and patronizing...thanks for the lesson teach.

    One question, if the Dems could get things done owning both houses and the presidency, why are you holding the repub accountable for getting things done now that they control the House only? Seems a bit silly.
    combative and patronizing?? :roll: you are a smart guy, you should know these things.

    what i find silly is how you seem to be pleading ignorance in this example. i had to give you that lesson because you refuse to acknowledge that the filibuster was the main impediment to passing any sweeping legislation in the senate in not only big issues, but mundane ones as well. such as when the health care for the 9/11 first responders came up and the gop refused to approve it because the dems would not tack on a provision regarding illegal immigrants.

    i am holding the gop controlled house accountable to fix it now because they said they could, said they would, and they have such bravado and feel that they have a mandate...even though they have offered no plans other than the following:

    1. tax cuts

    2. cut "discretionary spending" which does not include cutting defense spending, the wars, and the intelligence/homeland security agencies. the same plan they have had forever... they will cut funding for obama'shealth plan, yet they will continue to fund war, wireless wiretapping and spying, etc...

    they said they will fix it, so fucking fix it...
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Drowned Out wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    spare me the lecture....

    while you may prefer to ignore the current climate, I see it for what it is...

    people stood and shouted that they knew the best route...I'm simply asking them shut up and do it...why is that so bad...?
    spare you the lecture? Don't you mean 'I disagree so shut up'?
    I'm not ignoring anything, I AM seeing it for what it is - schoolyard bickering. There is nothing constructive about that statement; it’s childish, inflammatory and contributing to the climate you acknowledge as far from ideal. You are probably the board's biggest Dem/Obama supporter/apologist (despite your consistent contrary claim), so this all sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me.
    If stating my opinion on partisan politics is lecturing, I’m guilty…because IMO, people abandoning their integrity due to ‘current climate’ is a problem…I feel the same way about refusing to vote independent out of fear of the wrong person winning, or throwing a vote away. It’s defeatist thinking…if everyone subscribes to this line of thought, nothing changes….that’s why it’s bad.

    Anyway, have at ‘er Americans. This thread is all fuckered, so I’m gonna ride my high horse on outta here. I hope for humanity’s sake that you manage to bludgeon both parties out of existence.

    yikes...it seems a nerve has been touched...

    and thanks for the compliment about me being the biggest Dem/Obama supporter/apologist...not sure what that has do with anything, but I'll take it...

    you bitch about this thread yet your first post is riddled with curse words and this one is some sort of "I'm better that you" scolding...feel free to take your ball and go home, that's cool...I guess that's how you propose to fix things, you know since your so mature and such....

    maybe next time I'll suggest everyone have sit down and sing kumbaya...

    for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    cincybearcat wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    people stood and shouted that they knew the best route...I'm simply asking them shut up and do it...why is that so bad...?
    i agree with this statement.


    Believe it or not, I agree with you. ;)

    wait....what... ;)
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    inmytree wrote:

    yikes...it seems a nerve has been touched...

    and thanks for the compliment about me being the biggest Dem/Obama supporter/apologist...not sure what that has do with anything, but I'll take it...

    you bitch about this thread yet your first post is riddled with curse words and this one is some sort of "I'm better that you" scolding...feel free to take your ball and go home, that's cool...I guess that's how you propose to fix things, you know since your so mature and such....

    maybe next time I'll suggest everyone have sit down and sing kumbaya...

    for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ
    Ok I'm back :P
    Telling me to sing Kumbaya? How very hawkishly-republican of you. :roll:

    The Dem/Obama thing - read the last sentence of my paragraph, I said what it has to do with it. Sour grapes, and a preemptive 'in yo face'.....two years from now it will be 'told you so'
    As for bitching about the thread....I'm bitching about both sides, not just yours. You asked why I thought your attitude was 'bad' so I answered, I'm not saying I'm better than anyone. Sorry if the language was a little colourful for you in the first post, but it wasn't directed at anyone or any one side in particular so I don't see it as the same as the bickering you are all engaged in. I guess mentioning the title made it seem directed mostly at you, it wasn't.
    To an outsider, watching the 'it's your fault' 'no, it's your fault' 'well watch how bad you fuck this up compared to how bad we fucked it up' is all just...I dunno...wasted energy? I don't pretend to have a solution.
    I should have just stayed out of this, I don't even have a horse in this race.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    do some of you people really think you 'won' something? for serious? what exactly do you think is going to change?

    U.S "politics" are a joke. two parties to choose from. neither of them give a shit about the voters. much more interested in building the empire, funding wars and occupations and getting away with all sorts of attrocities and not being held accountable for their actions because some people are more interested in ridiculous "scandals" and throwing dirt at each other like children in the sand box.

    the biggest problem is the system. somewhere along the way you went from being the country everybody wanted to be like, to the country where people are just shaking their heads and wondering how you could let this happen to yourselves.

    remember that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and while you are fighting amongst yourselves, your leaders are doing a terrible job and you are allowing them to get away with it.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,079
    unfortunately a group of people in this country have commandeered the concept of patriotism and changed the meaning to "loving your country above all else, never questioning it or it's actions, never seeing anything wrong in it's policies or actions, believing in 'american exceptionalism' and that those that criticize it hate america and can git the hell out.."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    do some of you people really think you 'won' something? for serious? what exactly do you think is going to change?

    U.S "politics" are a joke. two parties to choose from. neither of them give a shit about the voters. much more interested in building the empire, funding wars and occupations and getting away with all sorts of attrocities and not being held accountable for their actions because some people are more interested in ridiculous "scandals" and throwing dirt at each other like children in the sand box.

    the biggest problem is the system. somewhere along the way you went from being the country everybody wanted to be like, to the country where people are just shaking their heads and wondering how you could let this happen to yourselves.

    remember that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and while you are fighting amongst yourselves, your leaders are doing a terrible job and you are allowing them to get away with it.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    It's a tsunami!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Vb7jJfFHI

    palin..lol
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    TriumphantAngel wrote:


    I guess I should make it clear that the pic was not a dig at you. I'm just trying to add a little humor to a pivotal time. Peace. :wave:
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    do some of you people really think you 'won' something? for serious? what exactly do you think is going to change?

    U.S "politics" are a joke. two parties to choose from. neither of them give a shit about the voters. much more interested in building the empire, funding wars and occupations and getting away with all sorts of attrocities and not being held accountable for their actions because some people are more interested in ridiculous "scandals" and throwing dirt at each other like children in the sand box.

    the biggest problem is the system. somewhere along the way you went from being the country everybody wanted to be like, to the country where people are just shaking their heads and wondering how you could let this happen to yourselves.

    remember that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and while you are fighting amongst yourselves, your leaders are doing a terrible job and you are allowing them to get away with it.
    *sniff*....someone 'gets' me. :D Didn't think anyone would join the singalong. Thanks TA. Now please pass the patchouli.
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:

    The private sector can fix anything when left the hell alone.
    :o

    That is the most preposterous statement on this whole thread.

    Let me tell you something. I live in a country that is suffering one of the deepest and most intractable recessions in Europe, and there is no debating the fact that it was the private sector, supported wholeheartedly by a conservative government who aren't too keen on social spending, that precipitated it. Business interests were essentially given free rein, regulation was a myth, they acted on the delusion that constant growth was all that mattered, and they succeeded in nothing other than ensuring that our economy is pretty well fucked. Sound at all familiar?

    Unrestrained capitalism, the private sector, caused this financial crisis. And you believe that left to it's own devices, it can fix it?! If that's indicative of the kind of head-in-the-sand thinking that drove the vote on Tuesday, it's no wonder America is in the pathetic state it's in.

    Sorry, but it's deeper than that. This started with the Clinton Administration's push to give ridiculous loans to people who could never pay them off in the first place. As always, the GOVERNMENT pushed it along. There are actually penalties aimed at lenders who don't loan to these people.
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:

    The private sector can fix anything when left the hell alone.
    :o

    That is the most preposterous statement on this whole thread.

    Let me tell you something. I live in a country that is suffering one of the deepest and most intractable recessions in Europe, and there is no debating the fact that it was the private sector, supported wholeheartedly by a conservative government who aren't too keen on social spending, that precipitated it. Business interests were essentially given free rein, regulation was a myth, they acted on the delusion that constant growth was all that mattered, and they succeeded in nothing other than ensuring that our economy is pretty well fucked. Sound at all familiar?

    Unrestrained capitalism, the private sector, caused this financial crisis. And you believe that left to it's own devices, it can fix it?! If that's indicative of the kind of head-in-the-sand thinking that drove the vote on Tuesday, it's no wonder America is in the pathetic state it's in.

    Sorry, but it's deeper than that. This started with the Clinton Administration's push to give ridiculous loans to people who could never pay them off in the first place. As always, the GOVERNMENT pushed it along. There are actually penalties aimed at lenders who don't loan to these people.
    I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt on the specifics of the US case, but your statement that "The private sector can fix anything when left the hell alone" remains ludicrous. Corporate interests - state-supported or not - were and are a massive driver of this crisis. They are not the fixer (sorry :roll: - this is a PJ board after all!)
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Drowned Out wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    yikes...it seems a nerve has been touched...

    and thanks for the compliment about me being the biggest Dem/Obama supporter/apologist...not sure what that has do with anything, but I'll take it...

    you bitch about this thread yet your first post is riddled with curse words and this one is some sort of "I'm better that you" scolding...feel free to take your ball and go home, that's cool...I guess that's how you propose to fix things, you know since your so mature and such....

    maybe next time I'll suggest everyone have sit down and sing kumbaya...

    for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ
    Ok I'm back :P
    Telling me to sing Kumbaya? How very hawkishly-republican of you. :roll:

    The Dem/Obama thing - read the last sentence of my paragraph, I said what it has to do with it. Sour grapes, and a preemptive 'in yo face'.....two years from now it will be 'told you so'
    As for bitching about the thread....I'm bitching about both sides, not just yours. You asked why I thought your attitude was 'bad' so I answered, I'm not saying I'm better than anyone. Sorry if the language was a little colourful for you in the first post, but it wasn't directed at anyone or any one side in particular so I don't see it as the same as the bickering you are all engaged in. I guess mentioning the title made it seem directed mostly at you, it wasn't.
    To an outsider, watching the 'it's your fault' 'no, it's your fault' 'well watch how bad you fuck this up compared to how bad we fucked it up' is all just...I dunno...wasted energy? I don't pretend to have a solution.
    I should have just stayed out of this, I don't even have a horse in this race.

    first I'm a Obama apologist, now I'm a hawkish repub....I'm so confused... :?

    I hear your point...and I guess you're doing the same as I am...sitting back, assessing, and commenting...we just happen to disagree on what is fitting and considerate in dealing with others...

    :D
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Combative and patronizing...thanks for the lesson teach.

    One question, if the Dems could get things done owning both houses and the presidency, why are you holding the repub accountable for getting things done now that they control the House only? Seems a bit silly.
    combative and patronizing?? :roll: you are a smart guy, you should know these things.

    what i find silly is how you seem to be pleading ignorance in this example. i had to give you that lesson because you refuse to acknowledge that the filibuster was the main impediment to passing any sweeping legislation in the senate in not only big issues, but mundane ones as well. such as when the health care for the 9/11 first responders came up and the gop refused to approve it because the dems would not tack on a provision regarding illegal immigrants.

    i am holding the gop controlled house accountable to fix it now because they said they could, said they would, and they have such bravado and feel that they have a mandate...even though they have offered no plans other than the following:

    1. tax cuts

    2. cut "discretionary spending" which does not include cutting defense spending, the wars, and the intelligence/homeland security agencies. the same plan they have had forever... they will cut funding for obama'shealth plan, yet they will continue to fund war, wireless wiretapping and spying, etc...

    they said they will fix it, so fucking fix it...


    Dude, I understand it. I disagree with you that it is an excuse worthy of blaming getting nothing done. That's it, and I don't need any more lectures about how the gov't works.

    I agree with your feeling about a "mandate"...hardly a mandate. What they fail to realize it is is the american people telling them more than just "We want less gov't". The reason most want a lot less gov't is because it is so dysfunctional. And if they use their new found power in the House to basically stall everything, they are simply making the problem worse. It should be interesting and even mre so, the 2012 elections will be very interesting.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,079
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Dude, I understand it. I disagree with you that it is an excuse worthy of blaming getting nothing done. That's it, and I don't need any more lectures about how the gov't works.

    I agree with your feeling about a "mandate"...hardly a mandate. What they fail to realize it is is the american people telling them more than just "We want less gov't". The reason most want a lot less gov't is because it is so dysfunctional. And if they use their new found power in the House to basically stall everything, they are simply making the problem worse. It should be interesting and even mre so, the 2012 elections will be very interesting.
    i know you know how the government works. i am asking you to concede the point that the gop filibuster stonewalled any progress and any votes on most of the legislation in the senate. you say the dems could have gotten it done, yet how can you do anything when you need 60 damn votes to even continue debate on something? let alone bring it to an up or down final vote. there was no way for the dems to get thos 60 votes, it is as if the gop were sitting there with their fingers in their ears yelling "I CAN"T HEAR YOU!!!" for no other reason than to stop debate and move on to the next thing. they blocked everything, and most things that did pass had only 1-2 gop votes, even after thier ammendments were added in the final bill. you can not do anything unilaterally in our system of government, and when one side absolutely REFUSES to engage the majority, it is a major problem.
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