They certainly better walk the walk after talking the talk. But to think they can just get in and "Fix it" when they didn't get the necessary seats in the Senate ot take control and you still have a Dem president is pretty crazy really.
I think part of the frustration for people was the fact that the Dems controlled everything...and what did they get done? This is a big victory for the Rep. for sure, but not big enough. And they certainly can't let it go to their heads and use the victory as a reason to not compromise, which I think they may. If they do, they should lose all the support they gained as they haven't learned anything.
I never claimed to be sane...
seriously...for the past two years, I heard about socialism and out of control spending...the teabagger/repubs claim they were the answer to all of our nations ills...well, it's time for them quit their bitchin' and get to fixing it...
sadly, I fear we'll be treated to stupid "investigations" and more no's...
They certainly better walk the walk after talking the talk. But to think they can just get in and "Fix it" when they didn't get the necessary seats in the Senate ot take control and you still have a Dem president is pretty crazy really.
I think part of the frustration for people was the fact that the Dems controlled everything...and what did they get done? This is a big victory for the Rep. for sure, but not big enough. And they certainly can't let it go to their heads and use the victory as a reason to not compromise, which I think they may. If they do, they should lose all the support they gained as they haven't learned anything.
I think it's already become fairly apparent that the linchpin of their agenda is "no compromise, no matter what"... at least in the case of the Tea Party sympathisers. Of course they haven't learned anything, because they refuse to think objectively or constructively. And I'm not saying that there aren't Democrats for whom the same isn't true either.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
They certainly better walk the walk after talking the talk. But to think they can just get in and "Fix it" when they didn't get the necessary seats in the Senate ot take control and you still have a Dem president is pretty crazy really.
I think part of the frustration for people was the fact that the Dems controlled everything...and what did they get done? This is a big victory for the Rep. for sure, but not big enough. And they certainly can't let it go to their heads and use the victory as a reason to not compromise, which I think they may. If they do, they should lose all the support they gained as they haven't learned anything.
I never claimed to be sane...
seriously...for the past two years, I heard about socialism and out of control spending...the teabagger/repubs claim they were the answer to all of our nations ills...well, it's time for them quit their bitchin' and get to fixing it...
sadly, I fear we'll be treated to stupid "investigations" and more no's...
it's going to be an interesting couple years...
If the "NO's" are to policies which make us wage slaves to the Chinese, then by all means...MORE NO's.
Here's a salutory point for exuberant Republicans. The editorial on Obama's press coference in today's Guardian:
"The Republicans have gained control of more than just the House of Representatives. They now co-own the management of the crises that go with it. Mr Obama was saying nothing more than: welcome back, folks, to the mess you bequeathed me"
+1....
let's see what they can do after they go through their investigations...most likely nothing...
That's hillarious. Like the republicans made Obama put us trillions of dollars in debt with all his bullshit bogus spending. Kids have been in Washington too long, spending money like they're in a candy store. Time for Washington to man up!! Show em how it's done republicans......listening to the people that is. No more Washington thinking they are above the people....we the people will destroy your career. I give alot of credit to the Tea Party. Good job AMERICANS!
Yes you are right, it was the democrats ... (maybe not)... Your big gaps are Reagan/Bush and Bush Jr.
mitch mcconnell said yesterday that their legislative goal it to make obama a one term president. does that sound like they are willing to compromise on anything? not to me it doesn't....
I agree with this.
As far as the rest, the dems controlled the white house, the senate and the house. No excuses, the ball was in their court and they punted.
no excuses? why was everything filibustered and had to have 60 votes to even break the filibuster before it could pass the senate?? they did not control 60 seats...nor did they even have the 2/3 majority to pass things even without a filibuster...the gop in this term has used the filibuster as a stalling tactic the most out of any senate term in the history of the country...come on, you are smarter than that cincy. stop pointing fingers and acknowledge that at least..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
By the way, this stupid chart is probably counting temporary census jobs.
Every single one of your comments has been flippant, glib and vacuous. Do you actually have anything of substance to say.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
By the way, this stupid chart is probably counting temporary census jobs.
Every single one of your comments has been flippant, glib and vacuous. Do you actually have anything of substance to say.
Do you?
I've said my pieces. I hope i've contributed to the discussion a little bit, I believe.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
They certainly better walk the walk after talking the talk. But to think they can just get in and "Fix it" when they didn't get the necessary seats in the Senate ot take control and you still have a Dem president is pretty crazy really.
I think part of the frustration for people was the fact that the Dems controlled everything...and what did they get done? This is a big victory for the Rep. for sure, but not big enough. And they certainly can't let it go to their heads and use the victory as a reason to not compromise, which I think they may. If they do, they should lose all the support they gained as they haven't learned anything.
I think it's already become fairly apparent that the linchpin of their agenda is "no compromise, no matter what"... at least in the case of the Tea Party sympathisers. Of course they haven't learned anything, because they refuse to think objectively or constructively. And I'm not saying that there aren't Democrats for whom the same isn't true either.
Yeah, I'm concerned about that. For me, it would be potentially the final stake in the Repub party.
By the way, this stupid chart is probably counting temporary census jobs.
Every single one of your comments has been flippant, glib and vacuous. Do you actually have anything of substance to say.
That is a valid statement. I can make a chart look the way I want if I may the rules of what gets out in.
No doubt you could, but that would be purely speculative.
I just take umbrage with people who are smug when they're winning and dismissive when they're challenged.
93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
By the way, this stupid chart is probably counting temporary census jobs.
Every single one of your comments has been flippant, glib and vacuous. Do you actually have anything of substance to say.
That is a valid statement. I can make a chart look the way I want if I may the rules of what gets out in.
For the most part, I avoid trusting charts and graphs unless they are done by neutral 3rd parties and they provide the conditions for which the data was collected.
My employment chart is in my brain and memory. Good times in the 90's. Bad times during dot.com bust and 9/11 until 2003. Average to good times through 2006. Bad times from 2007 to current time. Charts can be made to justify anything but I'll let my eyeballs figure this out. Of course, my analysis is subjective of my travels through the West Coast and the Midwest and the hiring patterns of the businesses I've worked for.
yes but the chart in question is from the us dept of labor statistics...
Always trust the gov't right? That's what you've taught me.
And it still includes what % of temporary jobs...stimulus $ jobs, etc. You cannot simply compare 2 time frames without the context. And I never said it isn't a real trend for the long haul, though I do question it, what I said was it would be interesting to see if it held or dropped off when the $ is all gone.
yes but the chart in question is from the us dept of labor statistics...
Always trust the gov't right? That's what you've taught me.
And it still includes what % of temporary jobs...stimulus $ jobs, etc. You cannot simply compare 2 time frames without the context. And I never said it isn't a real trend for the long haul, though I do question it, what I said was it would be interesting to see if it held or dropped off when the $ is all gone.
i will trust my department of labor statistics over any opinion of anybody on here that is for sure. did you look into the methodology of that report and that chart. doubt it...
care to address my point about how the filibuster contributed to nothing getting done, or is that truth an inconvenience for your side of the argument?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
yes but the chart in question is from the us dept of labor statistics...
Always trust the gov't right? That's what you've taught me.
And it still includes what % of temporary jobs...stimulus $ jobs, etc. You cannot simply compare 2 time frames without the context. And I never said it isn't a real trend for the long haul, though I do question it, what I said was it would be interesting to see if it held or dropped off when the $ is all gone.
i will trust my department of labor statistics over any opinion of anybody on here that is for sure. did you look into the methodology of that report and that chart. doubt it...
care to address my point about how the filibuster contributed to nothing getting done, or is that truth an inconvenience for your side of the argument?
The chart states it was made by the Office of the Speaker with source data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That indicates to me that the chart was derived by Nancy Pelosi's staff. I would be a little cautious to trust charts and graphs that are issued by high-ranking Republicans and Democrats. I'm guessing that 100% of the charts and graphs they issue probably make them look like geniuses.
I did go to the BLS’s website and their chart #2 on the attached link actually validated what my eyeballs have witnessed over the past 20 years. I couldn't find the source data that the office of the speaker referenced, but this is not to say it isn't there. It is a pretty big website.
The chart states it was made by the Office of the Speaker with source data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That indicates to me that the chart was derived by Nancy Pelosi's staff. I would be a little cautious to trust charts and graphs that are issued by high-ranking Republicans and Democrats. I'm guessing that 100% of the charts and graphs they issue probably make them look like geniuses.
I did go to the BLS’s website and their chart #2 on the attached link actually validated what my eyeballs have witnessed over the past 20 years. I couldn't find the source data that the office of the speaker referenced, but this is not to say it isn't there. It is a pretty big website.
my point is the dept of labor keeps track of the overall unemployment rate. why would they politicize it? it says the rate is double digits. anecdotally i can honestly say i do not see that. i am a young professional and know many many young professionals and their social circles. the only people that are unemployed are the ones that come in my office everyday and are accepting unemployment benefits. and in my office that is about 3%. does that mean that the numbers are actually 3%? no, because it does not reflect the national picture. the dept of labor keeps track of that. so are you saying you do not trust the department that has been saying what the unemployment rate is these last few years?? if it were political why would we hear every weekd the unemployment claims dropped, only to increase the next week? it is cyclical, and why would they politicize something like that? esp when it makes obama look ineffective at times?? that line of thinking baffles me...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If the "NO's" are to policies which make us wage slaves to the Chinese, then by all means...MORE NO's.
Are you kidding? Republicans just voted out the bill to stop giving tax breaks to companies for outsourcing work. They want it that way, to bring business to other countries rather than our own!
yes but the chart in question is from the us dept of labor statistics...
Always trust the gov't right? That's what you've taught me.
And it still includes what % of temporary jobs...stimulus $ jobs, etc. You cannot simply compare 2 time frames without the context. And I never said it isn't a real trend for the long haul, though I do question it, what I said was it would be interesting to see if it held or dropped off when the $ is all gone.
i will trust my department of labor statistics over any opinion of anybody on here that is for sure. did you look into the methodology of that report and that chart. doubt it...
care to address my point about how the filibuster contributed to nothing getting done, or is that truth an inconvenience for your side of the argument?
I'm kinda unclear as to why you are always such a combative person.
Dems had control of all 3, regardless of a filabuster, they had the power and the opportunity. NOw with a repub. lead House, they need to compromise and come up with solutions, otherwise we are all no better off and I think they will deliver a second term to Obama. Actualyl, I really like having the setup the way it is now, though I would prefer a Repub Senate as well. I'd like to see if Obama is able to work with the Repubs to get things done. Part of why I voted for him was I thought he might be able to promote compromise...that hasn't happened. And the Repubs are not the only ones to blame here. Obama has continued the disturbing trend of labeling people you don't agree with as enemies.
At any rate, the next 2 years should be pretty interesting.
If the "NO's" are to policies which make us wage slaves to the Chinese, then by all means...MORE NO's.
Are you kidding? Republicans just voted out the bill to stop giving tax breaks to companies for outsourcing work. They want it that way, to bring business to other countries rather than our own!
I don't support any legislation which further puts us in China's pocket.
I would argue that Obama and the Democrats should not have passed the stimulus bill. The biggest mistake any government can make is trying to TAX and SPEND their way out of a recession.
The private sector can fix anything when left the hell alone.
Threads like this are pretty fucking depressing.
Shitty attitudes on both sides, from the thread title on....
I agree with whomever said that there are no winners or losers in elections anymore. Our job is to be critical of all politicians. Sitting here and childishly saying "you did it so so can I" is fucking ridiculous.
Threads like this are pretty fucking depressing.
Shitty attitudes on both sides, from the thread title on....
I agree with whomever said that there are no winners or losers in elections anymore. Our job is to be critical of all politicians. Sitting here and childishly saying "you did it so so can I" is fucking ridiculous.
fuckin a...
sorry that you're all sad about this thread...I'm just wanting those who yelled the loudest to fix it like they claimed they would...so cheer up, the teabaggers/repub will help you turn that frown upside down...
I just wish there was a way to unite the people against BOTH parties and stop the partisan bickering. Throwing blame back and forth every two years is getting the world nowhere, and both sides are guilty.
I just wish there was a way to unite the people against BOTH parties and stop the partisan bickering. Throwing blame back and forth every two years is getting the world nowhere, and both sides are guilty.
I don't disagree, my friend...
I wish that to, however, I'm playing the current game that's being played as I don't see that wish coming true anytime soon...
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I never claimed to be sane...
seriously...for the past two years, I heard about socialism and out of control spending...the teabagger/repubs claim they were the answer to all of our nations ills...well, it's time for them quit their bitchin' and get to fixing it...
sadly, I fear we'll be treated to stupid "investigations" and more no's...
it's going to be an interesting couple years...
I think it's already become fairly apparent that the linchpin of their agenda is "no compromise, no matter what"... at least in the case of the Tea Party sympathisers. Of course they haven't learned anything, because they refuse to think objectively or constructively. And I'm not saying that there aren't Democrats for whom the same isn't true either.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
It'll be interesting to see if those "job gains" are due to government spending and short-lived once the $ is gone.
It's easy to gain jobs when you are writing checks left and right.
So, you've been happy with the progress in the last couple of years?
If the "NO's" are to policies which make us wage slaves to the Chinese, then by all means...MORE NO's.
Yes you are right, it was the democrats ... (maybe not)... Your big gaps are Reagan/Bush and Bush Jr.
By the way, this stupid chart is probably counting temporary census jobs.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Every single one of your comments has been flippant, glib and vacuous. Do you actually have anything of substance to say.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Because I'm not bashing the Tea Party or George Bush?
I've said my pieces. I hope i've contributed to the discussion a little bit, I believe.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Yeah, I'm concerned about that. For me, it would be potentially the final stake in the Repub party.
That is a valid statement. I can make a chart look the way I want if I may the rules of what gets out in.
straight from Hannity's mouth....
I just take umbrage with people who are smug when they're winning and dismissive when they're challenged.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
My employment chart is in my brain and memory. Good times in the 90's. Bad times during dot.com bust and 9/11 until 2003. Average to good times through 2006. Bad times from 2007 to current time. Charts can be made to justify anything but I'll let my eyeballs figure this out. Of course, my analysis is subjective of my travels through the West Coast and the Midwest and the hiring patterns of the businesses I've worked for.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I asked him how he felt about Howard Zinn...
ha
again...blah blah blah...what are y'all going to do to fix it...?
Always trust the gov't right? That's what you've taught me.
And it still includes what % of temporary jobs...stimulus $ jobs, etc. You cannot simply compare 2 time frames without the context. And I never said it isn't a real trend for the long haul, though I do question it, what I said was it would be interesting to see if it held or dropped off when the $ is all gone.
i will trust my department of labor statistics over any opinion of anybody on here that is for sure. did you look into the methodology of that report and that chart. doubt it...
care to address my point about how the filibuster contributed to nothing getting done, or is that truth an inconvenience for your side of the argument?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I did go to the BLS’s website and their chart #2 on the attached link actually validated what my eyeballs have witnessed over the past 20 years. I couldn't find the source data that the office of the speaker referenced, but this is not to say it isn't there. It is a pretty big website.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ils/pdf/opbils87.pdf
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm kinda unclear as to why you are always such a combative person.
Dems had control of all 3, regardless of a filabuster, they had the power and the opportunity. NOw with a repub. lead House, they need to compromise and come up with solutions, otherwise we are all no better off and I think they will deliver a second term to Obama. Actualyl, I really like having the setup the way it is now, though I would prefer a Repub Senate as well. I'd like to see if Obama is able to work with the Repubs to get things done. Part of why I voted for him was I thought he might be able to promote compromise...that hasn't happened. And the Repubs are not the only ones to blame here. Obama has continued the disturbing trend of labeling people you don't agree with as enemies.
At any rate, the next 2 years should be pretty interesting.
I don't support any legislation which further puts us in China's pocket.
I would argue that Obama and the Democrats should not have passed the stimulus bill. The biggest mistake any government can make is trying to TAX and SPEND their way out of a recession.
The private sector can fix anything when left the hell alone.
Threads like this are pretty fucking depressing.
Shitty attitudes on both sides, from the thread title on....
I agree with whomever said that there are no winners or losers in elections anymore. Our job is to be critical of all politicians. Sitting here and childishly saying "you did it so so can I" is fucking ridiculous.
fuckin a...
sorry that you're all sad about this thread...I'm just wanting those who yelled the loudest to fix it like they claimed they would...so cheer up, the teabaggers/repub will help you turn that frown upside down...
I don't disagree, my friend...
I wish that to, however, I'm playing the current game that's being played as I don't see that wish coming true anytime soon...