anyone watch the All star game festivities friday or saturday night? Missed Friday, but caught the slam dunk contest which was actually pretty decent. All the guys brought their A game. Not sure if Blake should have won. I thought overall McGee should have won. The other guy, Ibaka (?), was also really good. Blake's were ok. Most had been done before except the last one which I wasn't too impressed with.
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i had sat night on. watched the skills competition, although it's pretty lame
3pt shoot out is about the best event
i must have been doing something, because i only saw the last few dunks. i thought the car thing was pretty impressive.probally not hard to do, but it looked cool
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i had sat night on. watched the skills competition, although it's pretty lame
3pt shoot out is about the best event
i must have been doing something, because i only saw the last few dunks. i thought the car thing was pretty impressive.probally not hard to do, but it looked cool
i haven't watched more than 5 minutes of all star saturday night in the last decade. but the 3 point shoot out is always the best. i miss those craig hodges shoot outs way back when...
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i had sat night on. watched the skills competition, although it's pretty lame
3pt shoot out is about the best event
i must have been doing something, because i only saw the last few dunks. i thought the car thing was pretty impressive.probally not hard to do, but it looked cool
i haven't watched more than 5 minutes of all star saturday night in the last decade. but the 3 point shoot out is always the best. i miss those craig hodges shoot outs way back when...
love me some craig hodges. he was my favorite 3pt speacialst during the bulls run
"To think a dozen or so early entries a year haven't affected the quality of this game is ridiculous. It has drastically," Bilas said. "There is no way I should say teams that played 20 years ago are superior to today, but I can and it's true, not because they are better players. It's because the players before were older, played together, and were junior and senior lottery picks. We don't have that anymore."
The solution, of course, is in the NBA's hands. Bilas has come around to favor the baseball model. If a high school player is talented enough to jump to the NBA, like a LeBron James or Dwight Howard, then so be it. But if a player commits to college, like a Kevin Durant or Kevin Love, then he has to stay through his junior year.
If the National Football League can keep players from declaring for the draft until the spring of their junior year, why can't the NBA? It would dramatically help the college game and the pro product and - imagine this - the players.
i am totally in favor of this. it would make everything on every level better and more enjoyable to watch. a new cba, whether they get there through strike or lockout, however long it takes, could turn out to be the best possible thing for the nba.
All we had to give up for him was our entire starting lineup!!!
Woo!!!!
In all seriousness, it's nice that it's finally over.
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my first thought was about all the young talent the knicks were giving up. this could work out if certain things happen over the next few years...could also turn out to be the nba's version of the herschel walker trade. hollinger's take (he gave denver and minnesota b+'s:
New York: D+
You can't evaluate this as you would a normal trade. This deal was made at gunpoint, and that colors the entire assessment.
Anthony became the first player in memory to issue a trade demand and then list one team that he'd accept a trade to. And then somehow, the Knicks decided to start bidding against themselves and repeatedly agreed to up the ante in the final hours.
New York could have had Anthony this summer while losing only Chandler (a restricted free agent they would have had to renounce). Their primary risk to that outcome was a "franchise tag" in the new collective bargaining agreement that would have allowed Denver to keep Anthony. But even then plenty of alternatives were available for the Knicks, as three better players -- Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard -- all seemed anxious to get to the Big Apple via power plays of their own, and one of the three (or another marquee star) may have wriggled free regardless of what new restrictions the next CBA imposes.
This isn't Indiana or Memphis, and this saga laid that reality bare. Even with a franchise tag rule, New York had so many advantages that it was only a matter of time before a second star showed up, especially given the salary cap space the Knicks had carved out.
To get a player like Anthony in those circumstances, it was worth paying something above just Chandler to convert a likely outcome to a certainty.
But in this case the premium New York paid was as follows, beyond Chandler:
• Gallinari
• Mozgov
• Their 2014 first-round draft pick
• Golden State's second-round picks in 2012 and 2013 (owned by the Knicks)
• $6 million in cash ($3 million each to Minnesota and Denver)
• Swallowing two dead-money years at the end of Balkman's contract
• Trading Anthony Randolph for Corey Brewer
• Trading Felton for Billups, making New York eight years older at the point guard spot with a player who makes nearly twice in salary next season. Remind again why they needed to commit to all eight of these additional considerations for a player they were likely to get anyway?
The worst part, of course, is that this deal proves that no matter how many advantages New York gains from its magnetic appeal to potential free agents, owner James Dolan will screw them up. Leaning on the genius of Isiah Thomas -- because it worked out so well for the first time -- he fell hook, line and sinker for every bluff thrown his way by the Nuggets and Melo's people. (Yes, Melo's people participated -- Anthony needed to make sure he got a lucrative contract extension under the current salary rules before being traded.)
New York still gets its Melo-Stoudemire nucleus, but now lacks the supporting pieces to do anything important with that core. And by extending Melo now, they agree to lock him up at such an expensive price that, in concert with Stoudemire's deal, it likely precludes making a run at Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard in 2012.
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horrendous deal for NY.
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i wouldn't go that far. but it's what happens when owner's get more involved than they should.
it is.
melo wanted to play for one franchise and one franchise only.
NY.
he's a unrestricted fa at the end of the season.
NY isn't a contender this year, even with melo
i would have let the season play out and then signed him for less money in the off season. than you keep Felton and cash and draft picks.
bad deal.
I think the biggest concern I would have for Denver is losing Felton. I too thought that they were at least going to wait until the off season. Glad to see they didn't trade Landry Fields though. He's had a great rookie season.
In any case, I look forward to seeing the Knicks progress and possibly enter the realm of contending again. I wouldn't mind seeing the O'Brien trophy being lifted by someone new.
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i hate to say it but the knicks will be a force in the near future
you can't win a championship without playing D. neither of their two "superstars" plays D, nor does the coach preach it.
I think that's NY's number one problem. Although it might be more so of D'Antoni problem considering he received the same criticism in Phoenix. How can you be a coach and not preach defense, defense, defense. Defense and fighting for the boards will be essential in you winning games.
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This aren't looking bright for our franchise. I see a couple bust seasons in our future. :?
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10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
3pt shoot out is about the best event
i must have been doing something, because i only saw the last few dunks. i thought the car thing was pretty impressive.probally not hard to do, but it looked cool
i haven't watched more than 5 minutes of all star saturday night in the last decade. but the 3 point shoot out is always the best. i miss those craig hodges shoot outs way back when...
love me some craig hodges. he was my favorite 3pt speacialst during the bulls run
read a book.
"To think a dozen or so early entries a year haven't affected the quality of this game is ridiculous. It has drastically," Bilas said. "There is no way I should say teams that played 20 years ago are superior to today, but I can and it's true, not because they are better players. It's because the players before were older, played together, and were junior and senior lottery picks. We don't have that anymore."
The solution, of course, is in the NBA's hands. Bilas has come around to favor the baseball model. If a high school player is talented enough to jump to the NBA, like a LeBron James or Dwight Howard, then so be it. But if a player commits to college, like a Kevin Durant or Kevin Love, then he has to stay through his junior year.
If the National Football League can keep players from declaring for the draft until the spring of their junior year, why can't the NBA? It would dramatically help the college game and the pro product and - imagine this - the players.
i am totally in favor of this. it would make everything on every level better and more enjoyable to watch. a new cba, whether they get there through strike or lockout, however long it takes, could turn out to be the best possible thing for the nba.
yes stern put another team in so cal :roll:
All we had to give up for him was our entire starting lineup!!!
Woo!!!!
In all seriousness, it's nice that it's finally over.
New York: D+
You can't evaluate this as you would a normal trade. This deal was made at gunpoint, and that colors the entire assessment.
Anthony became the first player in memory to issue a trade demand and then list one team that he'd accept a trade to. And then somehow, the Knicks decided to start bidding against themselves and repeatedly agreed to up the ante in the final hours.
New York could have had Anthony this summer while losing only Chandler (a restricted free agent they would have had to renounce). Their primary risk to that outcome was a "franchise tag" in the new collective bargaining agreement that would have allowed Denver to keep Anthony. But even then plenty of alternatives were available for the Knicks, as three better players -- Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard -- all seemed anxious to get to the Big Apple via power plays of their own, and one of the three (or another marquee star) may have wriggled free regardless of what new restrictions the next CBA imposes.
This isn't Indiana or Memphis, and this saga laid that reality bare. Even with a franchise tag rule, New York had so many advantages that it was only a matter of time before a second star showed up, especially given the salary cap space the Knicks had carved out.
To get a player like Anthony in those circumstances, it was worth paying something above just Chandler to convert a likely outcome to a certainty.
But in this case the premium New York paid was as follows, beyond Chandler:
• Gallinari
• Mozgov
• Their 2014 first-round draft pick
• Golden State's second-round picks in 2012 and 2013 (owned by the Knicks)
• $6 million in cash ($3 million each to Minnesota and Denver)
• Swallowing two dead-money years at the end of Balkman's contract
• Trading Anthony Randolph for Corey Brewer
• Trading Felton for Billups, making New York eight years older at the point guard spot with a player who makes nearly twice in salary next season. Remind again why they needed to commit to all eight of these additional considerations for a player they were likely to get anyway?
The worst part, of course, is that this deal proves that no matter how many advantages New York gains from its magnetic appeal to potential free agents, owner James Dolan will screw them up. Leaning on the genius of Isiah Thomas -- because it worked out so well for the first time -- he fell hook, line and sinker for every bluff thrown his way by the Nuggets and Melo's people. (Yes, Melo's people participated -- Anthony needed to make sure he got a lucrative contract extension under the current salary rules before being traded.)
New York still gets its Melo-Stoudemire nucleus, but now lacks the supporting pieces to do anything important with that core. And by extending Melo now, they agree to lock him up at such an expensive price that, in concert with Stoudemire's deal, it likely precludes making a run at Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard in 2012.
i wouldn't go that far. but it's what happens when owner's get more involved than they should.
it is.
melo wanted to play for one franchise and one franchise only.
NY.
he's a unrestricted fa at the end of the season.
NY isn't a contender this year, even with melo
i would have let the season play out and then signed him for less money in the off season. than you keep Felton and cash and draft picks.
bad deal.
dolan just didn't want him to go to the nets so he gave up all their young talent.
i guess the thinking is they will go after paul and howard etc etc etc in a couple years....but they have no idea what the new cba will look like.
on the surface people see a superstar going to ny, but i think the nuggets made out like bandits here.
In any case, I look forward to seeing the Knicks progress and possibly enter the realm of contending again. I wouldn't mind seeing the O'Brien trophy being lifted by someone new.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
i hate the knicks as you know and on paper it seems like alot ...however they now have 2 superstars and solid pg in billups who has won b4
they kept fields and now they have a good chance of getting paul or williams or howard
i hate to say it but the knicks will be a force in the near future
Charles Smith just got blocked again.
you can't win a championship without playing D. neither of their two "superstars" plays D, nor does the coach preach it.
imo, you are looking at miami and chicago being the dominant teams in the east. Boston is there now, but they are getting old fast.
agreed they play no defense which is not good...
however..some quiet grumblings over here that coach is out next year
i hope they do lay an egg
$10,000 for good tickets tomorrow night ..yes 10 grand
i've heard that too. isn't donnie walsh most likely gone also? are they going to bring isiah back?
he is such a loser
alot of talk that mr. thomas had his hands all over this deal
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
Noah is back for the Bulls tonight.
Bulls also making a run at Lee.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/51297 ... s.html.csp
This aren't looking bright for our franchise. I see a couple bust seasons in our future. :?
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
Isn't Favors a power forward?
I suspect he won't stay long in utah if he is.