ILYA KOVALCHUCK STILL A DEVIL!!!!!

fife

So why, tell me, post in a thread about the Devils and Ilya??[/quote]
This is THE marquee free agent signing of the off-season, and he signed a huge, unconventional contract...the whole hockey world has an opinion on this - I dont think its really trolling for Devil-haters to comment.
.I would not put my cup dreams on the shoulders of this guy, no way. Alexi Yashin anyone? have fun getting rid of him with this contract, if/when he does tank.[/quote] speaking of yashin

The islanders recently contacted him to play for the team again. I guess they figured might as well have him on our team since where paying him till 2015.[/quote]

from what i understand, the islanders are not close to the base cap money. they need to spend some more money or face a strict penalty.

neilybabes86

brother123 wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

brother123 wrote:

So why, tell me, post in a thread about the Devils and Ilya??

This is THE marquee free agent signing of the off-season, and he signed a huge, unconventional contract...the whole hockey world has an opinion on this - I dont think its really trolling for Devil-haters to comment.
.I would not put my cup dreams on the shoulders of this guy, no way. Alexi Yashin anyone? have fun getting rid of him with this contract, if/when he does tank.

I understand the ramifications of having such a long contract and yes he can't be expected to produce throughout his contract. I'm I pinning all my hopes on this guy? No, it's not just one person who makes a difference it's the combine lines. Put him with Parise, Langy, and Zubrus and you've got a great line.

so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

Gary Carter

fife wrote:

from what i understand, the islanders are not close to the base cap money. they need to spend some more money or face a strict penalty.

the islanders salary cap is 33 million I think. You have to have your cap at 42 million and the max cap is 59.6 or somewhere near there. The isles won't face a penalty seeing as how buttman and the isles owner are buddy buddy.

Drowned Out wrote:

metsfan wrote:

speaking of yashin

The islanders recently contacted him to play for the team again. I guess they figured might as well have him on our team since where paying him till 2015.

Ouch. How's that DiPietro contract workin out for you guys?
I seriously don't like signing guys to big contracts for any more than three years. I know it makes it hard to retain, or lure away the big names...but it's just too risky unless you have a sure-fire winner. There are maybe five or six guys in the league I'd sign for five years or more, and Kovy isn't one of them.

I've said it a million times, the Oilers cup run in 06 was the worst thing that could have happened to our team...we signed a bunch of guys that over-achieved in ONE post-season to long-term, big number deals, and got stuck with them for a looooong time after their game came back to earth. I just don't get the logic behind the Kovalchuck deal - esp with all the precedents set by either disappearing or early-to-retire Russians.

the DP contract is a bust cause he's always injured. At the time of signing I really didn't mind but nowhe's played 11 games since the signing. The isles main problem is the arena. That's why kovy and many others have rejected coming here.


This kovy deal will hurt them when it comes time for zach p contract. The devils aren't great in resigning their own players. Gomez and paul martin come to mind.

81

neilybabes86 wrote:

so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

power play. silly kings fans

Black Diamond

neilybabes86 wrote:

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so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

Ilya plays the point position on the Power Play... I think it will work better when they get used to each other...

Drowned Out

brother123 wrote:

I understand the ramifications of having such a long contract and yes he can't be expected to produce throughout his contract. I'm I pinning all my hopes on this guy? No, it's not just one person who makes a difference it's the combine lines. Put him with Parise, Langy, and Zubrus and you've got a great line.

True true...I just don't like spending that kind of money, and giving that kind of security to ANYONE, esp someone who's never won anything. Spreading the cap hit out is the only reason this makes sense at all. 6 mil a year isn't outrageous for a player of his calibre...but the $100 mil overall commitment to him is crazy IMO.

neilybabes86

81 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

power play. silly kings fans

he shouldn't say line ..its power play unit

fife

metsfan wrote:

fife wrote:

from what i understand, the islanders are not close to the base cap money. they need to spend some more money or face a strict penalty.

the islanders salary cap is 33 million I think. You have to have your cap at 42 million and the max cap is 59.6 or somewhere near there. The isles won't face a penalty seeing as how buttman and the isles owner are buddy buddy.

Drowned Out wrote:

metsfan wrote:

speaking of yashin

The islanders recently contacted him to play for the team again. I guess they figured might as well have him on our team since where paying him till 2015.

Ouch. How's that DiPietro contract workin out for you guys?
I seriously don't like signing guys to big contracts for any more than three years. I know it makes it hard to retain, or lure away the big names...but it's just too risky unless you have a sure-fire winner. There are maybe five or six guys in the league I'd sign for five years or more, and Kovy isn't one of them.

I've said it a million times, the Oilers cup run in 06 was the worst thing that could have happened to our team...we signed a bunch of guys that over-achieved in ONE post-season to long-term, big number deals, and got stuck with them for a looooong time after their game came back to earth. I just don't get the logic behind the Kovalchuck deal - esp with all the precedents set by either disappearing or early-to-retire Russians.

the DP contract is a bust cause he's always injured. At the time of signing I really didn't mind but nowhe's played 11 games since the signing. The isles main problem is the arena. That's why kovy and many others have rejected coming here.


This kovy deal will hurt them when it comes time for zach p contract. The devils aren't great in resigning their own players. Gomez and paul martin come to mind.

I agree with you on all these points. how many more years before the islanders move to Brooklyn again?

brother123

neilybabes86 wrote:

so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

You know we have to improve our odds.

Have Parise, Kovalchuk and Langs

Black Diamond

brother123 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

You know we have to improve our odds.

Have Parise, Kovalchuk and Langs

Who plays right?

Gary Carter

fife wrote:

I agree with you on all these points. how many more years before the islanders move to Brooklyn again?

0 years

They either move to queens where the empty junkyard is next to citi field and partner with the mets or stay where they are and partner with the Shinnecock tribe with their casino idea.

neilybabes86

Black Diamond wrote:

brother123 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

so 4 forwards on the 1 line???

You know we have to improve our odds.

Have Parise, Kovalchuk and Langs

Who plays right?

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his lines are allwhacked out


you're not gonna have pepe and kovy on the same line

Black Diamond

It's interesting, Kovy I guess gets second line...

That is a lot for a second left winger...

brother123

a man can dream right?

I'd like this idea: Zubrus, Elias, and Kovalchuk. You've got a vet and a super star and solid player

Black Diamond

brother123 wrote:

a man can dream right?

I'd like this idea: Zubrus, Elias, and Kovalchuk. You've got a vet and a super star and solid player

That's probably line two..

Line 1... Zach/Jaime/Clarkson or Zubrus

neilybabes86

Black Diamond wrote:

brother123 wrote:

a man can dream right?

I'd like this idea: Zubrus, Elias, and Kovalchuk. You've got a vet and a super star and solid player

That's probably line two..

Line 1... Zach/Jaime/Clarkson or Zubrus

shit we will shut those suckers right down

Black Diamond

neilybabes86 wrote:

Black Diamond wrote:

brother123 wrote:

a man can dream right?

I'd like this idea: Zubrus, Elias, and Kovalchuk. You've got a vet and a super star and solid player

That's probably line two..

Line 1... Zach/Jaime/Clarkson or Zubrus

shit we will shut those suckers right down

Let me know when you want to come to the Rock and we shall see

rival.

[quote="neilybabes86

shit we will shut those suckers right down [/quote]

we'll get boogaard out there to rough them up. :roll:

JasonE

fife wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

These NHL contracts are getting ridiculous. 17 years????

its brilliant if you think about it. people used to complain that players don't stay with one team anymore but if this trend continues than they will.

He's not going to be playing for the next 17 years. In Lou we trust. He knows exactly what he's doing and has thought this through every which way. We all know Kovie is more than willing to play in the KHL - so this is almost NO gamble for Loulou. The precedent has been set that you can "lend" a player under contract to the K and it not count against the Cap, so if he **** the bed, he can always just go home and Lou can have a do-over.

Kovachoo isn't playing 17 more years for sure, but his Cap hit doesn't count once he retires as he isn't old enough for that yet. And this way, they don't have as huge a Cap hit. Not a terrible move for the Devils, in my opinion.

Brain of Josh

the NHL has rejected kovalchuk's ridiculous contract on grounds that the devils were trying to manipulate the salary cap by making it 17 years. good for you, NHL. you're doing something right for once.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=328025