you really are just completely full of shit on every level. i dont believe for a second that you've spent any real time in southern or middle US. your EXTREME ignorance on the subject proves it.
to say that arabs (or any brown people) are lynched for going to a church in the south is fucking stupid.
I've spent 10 years living in Louisiana, and in that time I've been to many different churches - and I'm yet to see a Jesus with a tan.
are you talking about paintings or the people that go there?
think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european.
but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.
you really are just completely full of shit on every level. i dont believe for a second that you've spent any real time in southern or middle US. your EXTREME ignorance on the subject proves it.
to say that arabs (or any brown people) are lynched for going to a church in the south is fucking stupid.
I couldn't care less what you believe tough guy. You really are of no importance.
good comeback. you really are just as close minded as the ridiculous stereotypes you make up about groups of people you know little about.
think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european. but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.
If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?
On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.
Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?
think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european. but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.
If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?
On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.
Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?
how am i contradicting myself? and 'goons' really? how do people like you make such blanket statements about people like that? Yet im sure you get pissed when a christian says something like "mosques are nothing more than breeding grounds for terrorists". do you not see how you are making the same moronic statements?
and im fairly certain that European life expectancy was lowest during that period since classical times. its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."
its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."
I didn't say that. I said that if Jesus landed in the Southern Sates today he'd probably be lynched. It was a facetious comment - not meant to be taken too seriously. Get over yourself.
its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."
I didn't say that. I said that if Jesus landed in the Southern Sates today he'd probably be lynched. It was a facetious comment - not meant to be taken too seriously. Get over yourself.
you should go to a church in Mississippi. i think you'll be very dissappointed to find that more than likely its nothing but 30 minutes of bad singing (most likely to some GODAWFUL christian rock band horseshit), and 30 minutes of generic feel good peptalks about not stealing, lying, fucking other people's spouses, etc. at least in my experiences (though i'm not really a churchgoer myself). no ranting about darkies or bombing Iran or the evils of satanic rock music or anything. at least that would make it interesting. i'm sure there are a few politicizing assholes like Pat Robertson and his ilk around, but they can be found everywhere.
a lot of shit around here sucks, and there are more than enough dumbasses around here, and i can't wait to move out again next month, but my point is you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about yet you speak as though you do. Southerners as a group really arent the evil, baby eating, semi-retarded demons you have made them out to be in your simple, childlike brain.
because people recognize him and artists are lazy and dont like to explain their works. the depiction of Jesus as a white guy is nothing more than a symbol, passed down for genereations dating back to the middle ages.
even without the text, you take one look at the creepy white guy in a beard and think "why is JESUS molesting that truck driver?" its immediately recognizable as Jesus. this is the way its been for centuries. why would that change now, especially when the vast majority of middle easterners today arent even christian?
if he drew Jesus as a middleeasterner, people would just think he is some creepy homeless guy the truck driver picked up because thats not what the common symbol for Jesus is.
and it would be exactly the same thing if the 'artist' depicted Jesus as a white guy without a beard, or with short hair. artists dont want to have to explain this shit.
when you see this http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/E ... /jesus.jpg, do you, as a non christian, think "Jesus", or "some white dude with a beard"? you think Jesus, because its the symbol you've associated with him. there is just not much motivation to change this.
many depictions of the various prophets and disciples in religious magazines and books are often depicted as somewhat dark men with beards and rounder features, because they do not have particular symbol attached to them.
I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?
I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?
Good Point, he's our messiah, fuck the middle east!!! don't make me get Mormon on your asses!!!
think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european. but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.
If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?
On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.
Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?
Not only was Jesus white, but he had an English accent. I saw it in a movie...
I have noticed that alot of Jesus paintings today are the same image from the European paintings, but he looks alot tanner than he used to. But I really want to know why its important how he looks in a painting, I mean he didn't really make any distinctions about race so why do we? In fact the Bible says he wasn't anything special in appearance or great abiltiy to communicate. Therefore he wasn't exactly charismatic but more of a commoner. Whatever he said or did must have been the attraction, not exactly his God given leadership abilities. At least that is how the Bible portrays him...for what that is worth to you.
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I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?
It's pretty basic human stupidity.
But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?
But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?
Not sure, but I can't help think that the environment would be in much better shape if they had.
But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?
Not sure, but I can't help think that the environment would be in much better shape if they had.
probably because it wasnt working too well for the natives once the europeans showed up.
I base that assertion on the fact that 99% of so-called Christians don't live according to the teachings of Christ in any way whatsoever.
How many Americans live their lives according to the example set by Jesus? Is it higher than 1%? I doubt it. I think I was being kind by stating 99%. I should have said 99.9%.
DING DING DING DING DING and we have a winner winner chicken dinner. Spot on with this. As a Christian myself, this is probably the one thing that bothers me most in this world. It's Christians preaching one thing, and doing another. Or twisting the very word of God into some perversion.
But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?
They came here with their religion which spread to Europe via the Roman empire. Then they proceeded to kill most people that didn't believe as they did.
I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?
It's pretty basic human stupidity.
But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?
By Western you must mean Europe, which is west of the Middle East. From the Biblical perspective it was Paul that took the message to the west instead of east. There are some scriptures relating that the divine interventions led him west, and led him to spread the message of the New Testament but that this also led to his ultimate demise, in the west. It wasn't like he was gaining great acceptance that led him that way, just more a leading by God. Alot of Christian churches were established during that time, but were thought of as religious insurrectionists since they competed with paganism and hedonism and in some cases Jewish rule, and also the power structures of that time such as kings and princes. But this injection of Christianity also brought about change in Europe, and over time some would say civilized Europe. After the dark ages, which I don't have a good understanding of, Christianity became the official religion in many nations of Europe, and the Pope became quite powerful.
Eventually, the Protestant Reformation occurred after centuries of the Catholic church spreading all over Europe and the world, taking money from people to build their cathedrals and churches and some say they became quite corrupt. A rebellion of sorts against the concept that a common man had to go to the local priests to get to God, while having to pay pennance, and owing allegiance to the Pope was a stress on society. So Martin Luther, who started the Protestant information really transformed Europe from the singular Christianity of the Catholic Church to dual Christianity of Protestant and Catholic. Protestant being more of direct relationship with God via Jesus without the priest and Pope as go betweens. Which I would only add my opinion that this concept from Protestantism seems to me to have alot to do with our current system of government, which establishes the individual as a meaningful term with God given rights and freedoms.
Somewhere in all that the Church of England was created, it was Anglican which I can't define well but it was something like the Catholic church in terms of rule and power aligned with the state, but I believe is considered a Protestant form of Christianity.
I guess we all know that the original colonists that came to America weren't imperialists coming here to establish England and the Anglican church, but to eventually be independent of England and the rule of the Anglican Church along with King George. So I don't think they were exactly interested in escaping Christianity as much as they were escaping monarchial rule and the state run church. But of course they saw the American Indians as pagans, and weren't so keen on following their strange gods, but apparently the women were hot enough that they did eventually assimilate them into our bloodlines. Sex is a powerful force in mixing of cultures. Many people I know have a full blooded American Indian in their heritage from like 3 or 4 generations back.
In final, almost all the original founders of this country were at least diests, Christians, and Protestant, and maybe Masons, and seemed to believe more in the intellect of man than just religion...but believed that God had given them the mind of man to do good rather than evil, and that allowing the people to be free to choose as individuals was a higher calling than to live under oppression and totalitarion or monarchial rule. Of course this mostly applied to white Europeans and not neccessarily Africans or American Indians, because they were often viewed as less than...not nessassirily inhuman but not as developed as those with European heritage.
The American Indian religions had nothing to offer to an organized society with a strong fundamental belief system of the Christian church, and wasn't going to gain acceptance from white Europeans escaping the King. Justified or not, they just didn't see American Indian religion as intellectual or developed enough to even consider following their religions. In fact, i don't think we even know much about the religion of any of the American Indians because they were disjointed, tribal, superstitious, warring, and only a few of the American Indians tribes had an alphabet. But they definetly knew the land, and respected it. We coulda learned alot from them.
But its always easier to kill what you don't understand. And that's pretty much what happened.
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my problem is with claims like these: "99% of christianity is a joke."
I base that assertion on the fact that 99% of so-called Christians don't live according to the teachings of Christ in any way whatsoever.
How many Americans live their lives according to the example set by Jesus? Is it higher than 1%? I doubt it. I think I was being kind by stating 99%. I should have said 99.9%.
boo. who made you the arbiter of other people's faith and lifestyle?
i know you're just trying to kick shit up - and to a certain extent i can respect that - but these sweeping denouncements of huge groups of peope just don't fly.
you probably believe christians are overly judgemental (i grant you have not explicitly said this). well, you are guilty of the same.
Somewhere in all that the Church of England was created, it was Anglican which I can't define well but it was something like the Catholic church in terms of rule and power aligned with the state, but I believe is considered a Protestant form of Christianity.
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The Church of England has it's roots in the Gregorian mission. It's not a protestant form of Christianity but more a reformed catholic form. The Church of England was under the authority of the Pope. We all know what happened when Henry VIII wanted an annulment and it was refused. Henry was a catholic when he made himself head of the church. If you know your history, you will remember that Protestants had a hard time during his reign. No reforms were made during his time. His son tried to change things, but then Mary came along. Fast forward to the union between the Irish and English churches, then Ireland leaving again, etc. Since then, whilst there has been reform, the doctrine is essential reformed catholicism. All you have to do is attend a High Mass and this will become obvious. Church of England has a long and windy history.
In fact, i don't think we even know much about the religion of any of the American Indians because they were disjointed, tribal, superstitious, warring, and only a few of the American Indians tribes had an alphabet. .
Actually there is a lot known about Native American religion (though they did not see this as an organised religion as we do but spiritualism). A lot is known of their beliefs, their rituals and their traditions which, I may add, are still in place for some. Though Native Americans did not have an alphabet, as we know it, until the white man came along (at which time it was adapated to their language), they had symbols (pictography/ ideography) and oral tradition. There were records, etc.
these sweeping denouncements of huge groups of peope just don't fly.
I just said 99.9% of so-called Christians don't live lives based on the example of Christ at all. I've said some controversial things in this thread but I don't think this is one of them. The society we live in is one based on materialism, money and entertainment. Seriously, how many Americans do you know who's lives follow the example set by the Biblical Jesus?
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think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european.
but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.
If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?
On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.
Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?
and im fairly certain that European life expectancy was lowest during that period since classical times. its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."
Just don't mention dinosaurs to them.
I didn't say that. I said that if Jesus landed in the Southern Sates today he'd probably be lynched. It was a facetious comment - not meant to be taken too seriously. Get over yourself.
Good morning to you too! :P
a lot of shit around here sucks, and there are more than enough dumbasses around here, and i can't wait to move out again next month, but my point is you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about yet you speak as though you do. Southerners as a group really arent the evil, baby eating, semi-retarded demons you have made them out to be in your simple, childlike brain.
because people recognize him and artists are lazy and dont like to explain their works. the depiction of Jesus as a white guy is nothing more than a symbol, passed down for genereations dating back to the middle ages.
take this fine piece of art as an example. http://lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads ... susuf8.jpg
even without the text, you take one look at the creepy white guy in a beard and think "why is JESUS molesting that truck driver?" its immediately recognizable as Jesus. this is the way its been for centuries. why would that change now, especially when the vast majority of middle easterners today arent even christian?
if he drew Jesus as a middleeasterner, people would just think he is some creepy homeless guy the truck driver picked up because thats not what the common symbol for Jesus is.
and it would be exactly the same thing if the 'artist' depicted Jesus as a white guy without a beard, or with short hair. artists dont want to have to explain this shit.
when you see this http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/E ... /jesus.jpg, do you, as a non christian, think "Jesus", or "some white dude with a beard"? you think Jesus, because its the symbol you've associated with him. there is just not much motivation to change this.
many depictions of the various prophets and disciples in religious magazines and books are often depicted as somewhat dark men with beards and rounder features, because they do not have particular symbol attached to them.
Good Point, he's our messiah, fuck the middle east!!! don't make me get Mormon on your asses!!!
Not only was Jesus white, but he had an English accent. I saw it in a movie...
I have noticed that alot of Jesus paintings today are the same image from the European paintings, but he looks alot tanner than he used to. But I really want to know why its important how he looks in a painting, I mean he didn't really make any distinctions about race so why do we? In fact the Bible says he wasn't anything special in appearance or great abiltiy to communicate. Therefore he wasn't exactly charismatic but more of a commoner. Whatever he said or did must have been the attraction, not exactly his God given leadership abilities. At least that is how the Bible portrays him...for what that is worth to you.
It's pretty basic human stupidity.
But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?
Air-travel and holidays are a lot cheaper these days. I wonder where he chooses to go and sun himself?
Holy shit, you've exposed me.
I am back-seat Jesus! :oops:
Not sure, but I can't help think that the environment would be in much better shape if they had.
probably because it wasnt working too well for the natives once the europeans showed up.
True, it's a shame Kevin Costner wasn't more persuasive.
http://jesus-withyoualways.com/
Haha ... Dental assistant? WTF??
http://jesus-withyoualways.com/images/S ... 24x768.jpg
Jesus appears to need the aid of a personal trainer ...
DING DING DING DING DING and we have a winner winner chicken dinner. Spot on with this. As a Christian myself, this is probably the one thing that bothers me most in this world. It's Christians preaching one thing, and doing another. Or twisting the very word of God into some perversion.
They came here with their religion which spread to Europe via the Roman empire. Then they proceeded to kill most people that didn't believe as they did.
Well, Jesus was a bit of a chubby, after all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWq6k5TA7s
By Western you must mean Europe, which is west of the Middle East. From the Biblical perspective it was Paul that took the message to the west instead of east. There are some scriptures relating that the divine interventions led him west, and led him to spread the message of the New Testament but that this also led to his ultimate demise, in the west. It wasn't like he was gaining great acceptance that led him that way, just more a leading by God. Alot of Christian churches were established during that time, but were thought of as religious insurrectionists since they competed with paganism and hedonism and in some cases Jewish rule, and also the power structures of that time such as kings and princes. But this injection of Christianity also brought about change in Europe, and over time some would say civilized Europe. After the dark ages, which I don't have a good understanding of, Christianity became the official religion in many nations of Europe, and the Pope became quite powerful.
Eventually, the Protestant Reformation occurred after centuries of the Catholic church spreading all over Europe and the world, taking money from people to build their cathedrals and churches and some say they became quite corrupt. A rebellion of sorts against the concept that a common man had to go to the local priests to get to God, while having to pay pennance, and owing allegiance to the Pope was a stress on society. So Martin Luther, who started the Protestant information really transformed Europe from the singular Christianity of the Catholic Church to dual Christianity of Protestant and Catholic. Protestant being more of direct relationship with God via Jesus without the priest and Pope as go betweens. Which I would only add my opinion that this concept from Protestantism seems to me to have alot to do with our current system of government, which establishes the individual as a meaningful term with God given rights and freedoms.
Somewhere in all that the Church of England was created, it was Anglican which I can't define well but it was something like the Catholic church in terms of rule and power aligned with the state, but I believe is considered a Protestant form of Christianity.
I guess we all know that the original colonists that came to America weren't imperialists coming here to establish England and the Anglican church, but to eventually be independent of England and the rule of the Anglican Church along with King George. So I don't think they were exactly interested in escaping Christianity as much as they were escaping monarchial rule and the state run church. But of course they saw the American Indians as pagans, and weren't so keen on following their strange gods, but apparently the women were hot enough that they did eventually assimilate them into our bloodlines. Sex is a powerful force in mixing of cultures. Many people I know have a full blooded American Indian in their heritage from like 3 or 4 generations back.
In final, almost all the original founders of this country were at least diests, Christians, and Protestant, and maybe Masons, and seemed to believe more in the intellect of man than just religion...but believed that God had given them the mind of man to do good rather than evil, and that allowing the people to be free to choose as individuals was a higher calling than to live under oppression and totalitarion or monarchial rule. Of course this mostly applied to white Europeans and not neccessarily Africans or American Indians, because they were often viewed as less than...not nessassirily inhuman but not as developed as those with European heritage.
The American Indian religions had nothing to offer to an organized society with a strong fundamental belief system of the Christian church, and wasn't going to gain acceptance from white Europeans escaping the King. Justified or not, they just didn't see American Indian religion as intellectual or developed enough to even consider following their religions. In fact, i don't think we even know much about the religion of any of the American Indians because they were disjointed, tribal, superstitious, warring, and only a few of the American Indians tribes had an alphabet. But they definetly knew the land, and respected it. We coulda learned alot from them.
But its always easier to kill what you don't understand. And that's pretty much what happened.
boo. who made you the arbiter of other people's faith and lifestyle?
i know you're just trying to kick shit up - and to a certain extent i can respect that - but these sweeping denouncements of huge groups of peope just don't fly.
you probably believe christians are overly judgemental (i grant you have not explicitly said this). well, you are guilty of the same.
The Church of England has it's roots in the Gregorian mission. It's not a protestant form of Christianity but more a reformed catholic form. The Church of England was under the authority of the Pope. We all know what happened when Henry VIII wanted an annulment and it was refused. Henry was a catholic when he made himself head of the church. If you know your history, you will remember that Protestants had a hard time during his reign. No reforms were made during his time. His son tried to change things, but then Mary came along. Fast forward to the union between the Irish and English churches, then Ireland leaving again, etc. Since then, whilst there has been reform, the doctrine is essential reformed catholicism. All you have to do is attend a High Mass and this will become obvious. Church of England has a long and windy history.
Actually there is a lot known about Native American religion (though they did not see this as an organised religion as we do but spiritualism). A lot is known of their beliefs, their rituals and their traditions which, I may add, are still in place for some. Though Native Americans did not have an alphabet, as we know it, until the white man came along (at which time it was adapated to their language), they had symbols (pictography/ ideography) and oral tradition. There were records, etc.
I just said 99.9% of so-called Christians don't live lives based on the example of Christ at all. I've said some controversial things in this thread but I don't think this is one of them. The society we live in is one based on materialism, money and entertainment. Seriously, how many Americans do you know who's lives follow the example set by the Biblical Jesus?