Jesus Was An Arab

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cajunkiwi wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

you really are just completely full of shit on every level. i dont believe for a second that you've spent any real time in southern or middle US. your EXTREME ignorance on the subject proves it.

to say that arabs (or any brown people) are lynched for going to a church in the south is fucking stupid.

I've spent 10 years living in Louisiana, and in that time I've been to many different churches - and I'm yet to see a Jesus with a tan.

are you talking about paintings or the people that go there?

think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european.

but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.

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Byrnzie wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

you really are just completely full of shit on every level. i dont believe for a second that you've spent any real time in southern or middle US. your EXTREME ignorance on the subject proves it.

to say that arabs (or any brown people) are lynched for going to a church in the south is fucking stupid.

I couldn't care less what you believe tough guy. You really are of no importance.

good comeback. you really are just as close minded as the ridiculous stereotypes you make up about groups of people you know little about.

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european. but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.

If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?

On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.

Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?

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Byrnzie wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european. but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.

If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?

On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.

Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?

how am i contradicting myself? and 'goons' really? how do people like you make such blanket statements about people like that? Yet im sure you get pissed when a christian says something like "mosques are nothing more than breeding grounds for terrorists". do you not see how you are making the same moronic statements?

and im fairly certain that European life expectancy was lowest during that period since classical times. its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots

Just don't mention dinosaurs to them.

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."

I didn't say that. I said that if Jesus landed in the Southern Sates today he'd probably be lynched. It was a facetious comment - not meant to be taken too seriously. Get over yourself.

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Byrnzie wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

its not an opinion, like hateful stereotypical gibberish like "arabs get shot on sight by southern christians."

I didn't say that. I said that if Jesus landed in the Southern Sates today he'd probably be lynched. It was a facetious comment - not meant to be taken too seriously. Get over yourself.

prejudiced ignorant asshole.

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

prejudiced ignorant asshole.

Good morning to you too! :P

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

you should go to a church in Mississippi. i think you'll be very dissappointed to find that more than likely its nothing but 30 minutes of bad singing (most likely to some GODAWFUL christian rock band horseshit), and 30 minutes of generic feel good peptalks about not stealing, lying, fucking other people's spouses, etc. at least in my experiences (though i'm not really a churchgoer myself). no ranting about darkies or bombing Iran or the evils of satanic rock music or anything. at least that would make it interesting. i'm sure there are a few politicizing assholes like Pat Robertson and his ilk around, but they can be found everywhere.

a lot of shit around here sucks, and there are more than enough dumbasses around here, and i can't wait to move out again next month, but my point is you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about yet you speak as though you do. Southerners as a group really arent the evil, baby eating, semi-retarded demons you have made them out to be in your simple, childlike brain.

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back to why Jesus is a white guy in pictures...

because people recognize him and artists are lazy and dont like to explain their works. the depiction of Jesus as a white guy is nothing more than a symbol, passed down for genereations dating back to the middle ages.

take this fine piece of art as an example. http://lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads ... susuf8.jpg

even without the text, you take one look at the creepy white guy in a beard and think "why is JESUS molesting that truck driver?" its immediately recognizable as Jesus. this is the way its been for centuries. why would that change now, especially when the vast majority of middle easterners today arent even christian?

if he drew Jesus as a middleeasterner, people would just think he is some creepy homeless guy the truck driver picked up because thats not what the common symbol for Jesus is.

and it would be exactly the same thing if the 'artist' depicted Jesus as a white guy without a beard, or with short hair. artists dont want to have to explain this shit.

when you see this http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/E ... /jesus.jpg, do you, as a non christian, think "Jesus", or "some white dude with a beard"? you think Jesus, because its the symbol you've associated with him. there is just not much motivation to change this.

many depictions of the various prophets and disciples in religious magazines and books are often depicted as somewhat dark men with beards and rounder features, because they do not have particular symbol attached to them.

rebornFixer

I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?

BinauralJam

rebornFixer wrote:

I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?

Good Point, he's our messiah, fuck the middle east!!! don't make me get Mormon on your asses!!!

WindNoSail

Byrnzie wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

think about it though. most modern depictions of Christ came from the midieval period when a.) practically the only Christians in the world were European, and b.) most Europeans had probably never seen a middle eastern person in their dismal, short lives. it only makes sense that the traditions would have shown him to look european. but what Byrnzie doesnt get is that christians arent complete fucking idiots who have no idea that the stories in the bible take place in the middle east and would have been about middle eastern people. talk to the most crazy backwoods snake handling fundamentalist and even they will tell you Jesus was middle eastern.

If these goons are are as smart as you like to pretend they are then why haven't they put 2 + 2 together anytime over the past few hundred years and painted some pictures of him looking like a Middle Easterner?

On the one hand you say these people are smart and that they know Jesus was Middle Eastern, and on the other hand you say they were - and continue to be - confused by the fact that many early Christians were European. I suggest you engage your brain and stop contradicting yourself.

Oh, and what makes you assume that Europeans lived dismal, short lives? Is that a stereotypical blanket slur you're making there?

Not only was Jesus white, but he had an English accent. I saw it in a movie...

I have noticed that alot of Jesus paintings today are the same image from the European paintings, but he looks alot tanner than he used to. But I really want to know why its important how he looks in a painting, I mean he didn't really make any distinctions about race so why do we? In fact the Bible says he wasn't anything special in appearance or great abiltiy to communicate. Therefore he wasn't exactly charismatic but more of a commoner. Whatever he said or did must have been the attraction, not exactly his God given leadership abilities. At least that is how the Bible portrays him...for what that is worth to you.

Byrnzie

rebornFixer wrote:

I don't see why a given group of people should need to explain why one of their religious figures looks like them. That's pretty basic human nature ... Wouldn't it be odd if a given tribe of people in Africa had a deity that happened to look like a Viking?

It's pretty basic human stupidity.

But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?

Byrnzie

WindNoSail wrote:

I have noticed that alot of Jesus paintings today are the same image from the European paintings, but he looks alot tanner than he used to.

Air-travel and holidays are a lot cheaper these days. I wonder where he chooses to go and sun himself?

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

take this fine piece of art as an example. http://lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads ... susuf8.jpg

Holy shit, you've exposed me.

I am back-seat Jesus! :oops:

rebornFixer

Byrnzie wrote:

But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?

Not sure, but I can't help think that the environment would be in much better shape if they had.

fuck

wasn't the white image of christ based largely on cesare borgia?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Byrnzie wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

take this fine piece of art as an example. http://lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads ... susuf8.jpg

Holy shit, you've exposed me.

I am back-seat Jesus! :oops:

you should see the rest of that guy's drawings (this text was added by someone else). every single one manages to be creepy as hell.

rebornFixer wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

But you raise an interesting point. Why is Christianity the major religion in the West? It's a Middle Eastern Religion not an American religion. How come Americans didn't choose to adopt the native religions of the Americas instead?

Not sure, but I can't help think that the environment would be in much better shape if they had.

probably because it wasnt working too well for the natives once the europeans showed up.

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

probably because it wasnt working too well for the natives once the europeans showed up.

True, it's a shame Kevin Costner wasn't more persuasive.