How many other bands or musical acts get paid millions...
and how many other musical acts and bands get paid MORE than Pearl Jam and only learn 20 songs per tour???
Not very many. I'd guess they clear more than a million every time they show up to play.
There's not many bands in the world that make more than PJ.
How many band get paid infinitely less and learn 10x the songs, and play them correctly?
Sombody did the math in another thread, but i think it said 11 shows 143 different songs, pretty good, also to the two shows i went too, i didn't here any mistakes, altho i was pretty drunk.
To all you people that think this is a stupid thread and how dare someone say that Pearl Jam isn't perfect. YOU people need to stop taking someone's opinion so personally. What's wrong with pointing out that a particular show or shows are over-rated? I don't doubt for one second that being at Philly 3 would have been incredible, I would have loved to have been there. My problem is that this show was talked up like it was the greatest PJ show of all time! After listening to the Bootleg I feel that it's not even close, the band just didn't play that well. Why get defensive about that? Again it's not a personal attack and we're all entitled to our opinions aren't we?
I don't think this a stupid thread. I find it kind of entertaining. I know what you mean when you say that a particular show is oevr-rated. I was at MSG 2, and i made some comments(sound was just OK, and the rarities they played were just OK too), that i think that show's been over -rated, and that was a real GOOD show. I had some call me crazy, which is alright with me, as i can't let some words on a message board bother me>
I've listen to these boots a few times now, and they sound fine to me. Especially Philly 3. You may not think the band didn't play that well, but i did. Just like others thought MSG 2 from 2010 was the best thing since slice bread, but i didn't think so. Like you said, were all entitled to our opinions.
Lets all be thankfull will still have shows TODAY, to debate. I know i am!!
Am I the only one that thinks it's kind of funny and unique when ed or anyone else messes up? I love it when stone forgets the riff in thin air at benny hall, and when ed forgets or mixes up the lyrics in evolution.
No. I agree with ya I was actually just thinking that there have been a few flubbs at the shows I have been too. They just happen. The band is human, instruments break, timing signature gets thrown off from time to time depending on amp situations.
2 of my fave moments:
1rst show String breaks on Uke during "soon forget" and Ed stops tinkers with the strings and goes "it BROKE"- crowd roared with laughter. He winged his way through the rest- it was great.
2nd one was at ACL during Ederly woman. Love how Ed goes "shit I forgot the words" and the crowd is singing the song and eases him right back into it. Awesome.
Screw ups happen at live performances. People need to relax. To me it is all about the show as a whole witnessing everything not just from Pearl jam.
BTW, love that part on the benny boot you mentioned. I love how stone plays it right at the end of the song, and Ed goes "there was no chance of getting away with that one."- classic
How many other bands or musical acts get paid millions...
and how many other musical acts and bands get paid MORE than Pearl Jam and only learn 20 songs per tour???
Not very many. I'd guess they clear more than a million every time they show up to play.
There's not many bands in the world that make more than PJ.
How many band get paid infinitely less and learn 10x the songs, and play them correctly?
How is that even possible when the best seats in the house for a Pearl Jam concert are $90. (average)
now look at the likes of: The Eagles, Coldplay, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Roger Waters... and so on... They sell out venues everywhere they go.. usually playing bigger venues... and charge double the price for the best seats in the house. So where does "not very many" come from?
You cannot deny that Pearl Jam charge less and play more...
whereas all other musical acts that are as popular as Pearl Jam charge more and play less. So to say, you're making tons of money, you should be going out and playing 120+ songs might make sense, but realistically why are we criticizing the band who gives audiences the most bang for their buck?
And memorizing the words and music to a 120+ songs cannot be easy. I'm not saying this out of knowledge, it's more of a guess to me.
It's like criticizing the basketball player who makes the most money should sink every basket and get every rebound.... when realistically no one is perfect.
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How many other bands or musical acts get paid millions...
and how many other musical acts and bands get paid MORE than Pearl Jam and only learn 20 songs per tour???
Not very many. I'd guess they clear more than a million every time they show up to play.
There's not many bands in the world that make more than PJ.
How many band get paid infinitely less and learn 10x the songs, and play them correctly?
Sombody did the math in another thread, but i think it said 11 shows 143 different songs, pretty good, also to the two shows i went too, i didn't here any mistakes, altho i was pretty drunk.
Yeah so according to dewie theres bands out there who play 1,430 songs and play them all corectly, wow I need to go to one of their shows! :roll:
I know it's fashionable to blast Creed, but Pity for a Dime was a damn good song. Do I get kicked out of Ten Club now? Sorry to go off-topic.[/quote]
No. I actually have Creeds Debut album that I got for my birthday after seeing them at a festival. The debut really is not that bad. Once they publically got labeled a pearl jam rip off did this board start hating on them. Don't see much Alter Bridge bashing here- which proves my point that they are hated here because they were publically labeled a pearl jam rip off on Behind the music and the bass player was fired for trashing pj on Seattle radio which was completely stupid cause Creed was non existant when pearl jam was taking over the world musically- that's what I found so funny about that whole deal. Ok, back on topic of reading the funny arguments on the philly boots :roll: .
I have no problem with the OP... however, for someone to suggest that the Spectrum is not an historic venue is ridiculous. The sheer number of acts that have played there is incredible, spanning every music genre over 4 decades... there is no music or sports fan from 1967-200X that has not heard of the place... it is synonymous with basketball and hockey and music for millions of fans.
You can put all that aside... as far as I am concerned, the Spectrum is an historic venue, if for no other reason, because Pearl Jam played the final 4 nights to close the place after 42 years...
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I have no problem with the OP... however, for someone to suggest that the Spectrum is not an historic venue is ridiculous. The sheer number of acts that have played there is incredible, spanning every music genre over 4 decades... there is no music or sports fan from 1967-200X that has not heard of the place... it is synonymous with basketball and hockey and music for millions of fans.
You can put all that aside... as far as I am concerned, the Spectrum is an historic venue, if for no other reason, because Pearl Jam played the final 4 nights to close the place after 42 years...
I have no problem with the OP... however, for someone to suggest that the Spectrum is not an historic venue is ridiculous. The sheer number of acts that have played there is incredible, spanning every music genre over 4 decades... there is no music or sports fan from 1967-200X that has not heard of the place... it is synonymous with basketball and hockey and music for millions of fans.
You can put all that aside... as far as I am concerned, the Spectrum is an historic venue, if for no other reason, because Pearl Jam played the final 4 nights to close the place after 42 years...
History doesn't mean historic.
The 1st 2 rocky movies were historic, thats a fact.
How many other bands or musical acts get paid millions...
and how many other musical acts and bands get paid MORE than Pearl Jam and only learn 20 songs per tour???
Not very many. I'd guess they clear more than a million every time they show up to play.
There's not many bands in the world that make more than PJ.
How many band get paid infinitely less and learn 10x the songs, and play them correctly?
How is that even possible when the best seats in the house for a Pearl Jam concert are $90. (average)
now look at the likes of: The Eagles, Coldplay, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Roger Waters... and so on... They sell out venues everywhere they go.. usually playing bigger venues... and charge double the price for the best seats in the house. So where does "not very many" come from?
You cannot deny that Pearl Jam charge less and play more...
whereas all other musical acts that are as popular as Pearl Jam charge more and play less. So to say, you're making tons of money, you should be going out and playing 120+ songs might make sense, but realistically why are we criticizing the band who gives audiences the most bang for their buck?
And memorizing the words and music to a 120+ songs cannot be easy. I'm not saying this out of knowledge, it's more of a guess to me.
It's like criticizing the basketball player who makes the most money should sink every basket and get every rebound.... when realistically no one is perfect.
As both a PJ/Bruce fan,you're wrong about his ticket prices. They are comparable to PJs!
go fuck ya self...philly rocked!! this band has played these songs for years and i don't care how shitty you think they sounded, i'm glad they are still playing them.
I highly doubt the OP has bought every bootleg the band has ever made and if he did, what a colossal waste of money(In My opinion). By the way can we see a picture of all of your live bootleg collections?
Waste of money, or any good PJ concert at my fingertips? Lord knows that I know a good PJ boot from a bad one.
I highly doubt the OP has bought every bootleg the band has ever made and if he did, what a colossal waste of money(In My opinion). By the way can we see a picture of all of your live bootleg collections?
Waste of money, or any good PJ concert at my fingertips? Lord knows that I know a good PJ boot from a bad one.
You showed him! Kudos - that looks like one hell of a collection.
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I used to collect shows like crazy but after 2005 I stopped. I just buy a few now and then and maybe some of the shows I've been too. But I don't need or want 100 versions of Even Flow. lol
I was at Philly 1 and MSG 1 2010 - MSG was mediocre - Philly 1 was awesome. Also, I like the mistakes - if you want perfection, listen to the studio recordings.
I was at Philly 1 and MSG 1 2010 - MSG was mediocre - Philly 1 was awesome. Also, I like the mistakes - if you want perfection, listen to the studio recordings.
Nice! try that one on for size philly show haters!
I experienced my first pj concert ever at philly one, it was preety awesome.
I highly doubt the OP has bought every bootleg the band has ever made and if he did, what a colossal waste of money(In My opinion). By the way can we see a picture of all of your live bootleg collections?
Waste of money, or any good PJ concert at my fingertips? Lord knows that I know a good PJ boot from a bad one.
Not eaxctly. I have a shit load of boots too, but that doesn't mean i know a good boot from a bad one. Its just MY opinion, of whats a good or bad boot. You think Philly '09 is over-rated, but i think there good boots. You see: just a matter of opinion.
Not eaxctly. I have a shit load of boots too, but that doesn't mean i know a good boot from a bad one. Its just MY opinion, of whats a good or bad boot. You think Philly '09 is over-rated, but i think there good boots. You see: just a matter of opinion.
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b) He went over there vs. their, earlier. now we need to add "they're."
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I'm listening to Philly 4 right now. It's just fun. Yea there's mistake but man it's great. Jeremy-inside job-bugs- porch just kicked my ass.
But yea MSG2 was better
Not eaxctly. I have a shit load of boots too, but that doesn't mean i know a good boot from a bad one. Its just MY opinion, of whats a good or bad boot. You think Philly '09 is over-rated, but i think there good boots. You see: just a matter of opinion.
That really sucks for you that you have a shit load of boots but have no idea what makes a good one!
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I've been listening to the boots and they are fine gigs, i don't know what's the big problem, I'm enjoying them but i would enjoy them even more if I've attended. I guess you've got to be there to really appreciate the magnitude of the gigs.
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Ok, just listened to Philly 3 and it was exactly how I remembered it...phan-phucking-tastic! Maybe the next time PJ hits the Op's town they'll just walk out and press play on a tape machine. I think his ID on the Milli Vanilli board is Blame It On The Rain Rules.
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Just for the record, something can be good, and still be over-rated. I think a lot of people on this board who weren't at the Philly shows think they were overrated. I just went to three shows this month, and they were all fantastic. No maybe I didnt get to hear Bugs or Sweet Lew, but my life certainly won't suffer for that. PJ plays great shows 95% of the time, with a dud or two thrown into each leg, and those are still better than a lot of other bands.
But as for the specific topic, I did not go to the Philly shows, nor did I buy the boots. If PJ would have put the Philly boots on sale right away, I probably would have bought them, but they gave me way too much time to think about it, and I would mainly only be paying for the rarities. I think the only songs they played that I don't otherwise own a soundboard live version of were Push Me Pull Me, Hold On, Bugs, Whip It and Sweet Lew. And that really wasn't enough to get me to pay $60.
words seem so out of place.
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Sombody did the math in another thread, but i think it said 11 shows 143 different songs, pretty good, also to the two shows i went too, i didn't here any mistakes, altho i was pretty drunk.
I don't think this a stupid thread. I find it kind of entertaining. I know what you mean when you say that a particular show is oevr-rated. I was at MSG 2, and i made some comments(sound was just OK, and the rarities they played were just OK too), that i think that show's been over -rated, and that was a real GOOD show. I had some call me crazy, which is alright with me, as i can't let some words on a message board bother me>
I've listen to these boots a few times now, and they sound fine to me. Especially Philly 3. You may not think the band didn't play that well, but i did. Just like others thought MSG 2 from 2010 was the best thing since slice bread, but i didn't think so. Like you said, were all entitled to our opinions.
Lets all be thankfull will still have shows TODAY, to debate. I know i am!!
No. I agree with ya
2 of my fave moments:
1rst show String breaks on Uke during "soon forget" and Ed stops tinkers with the strings and goes "it BROKE"- crowd roared with laughter. He winged his way through the rest- it was great.
2nd one was at ACL during Ederly woman. Love how Ed goes "shit I forgot the words" and the crowd is singing the song and eases him right back into it. Awesome.
Screw ups happen at live performances. People need to relax. To me it is all about the show as a whole witnessing everything not just from Pearl jam.
BTW, love that part on the benny boot you mentioned. I love how stone plays it right at the end of the song, and Ed goes "there was no chance of getting away with that one."- classic
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How is that even possible when the best seats in the house for a Pearl Jam concert are $90. (average)
now look at the likes of: The Eagles, Coldplay, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Roger Waters... and so on... They sell out venues everywhere they go.. usually playing bigger venues... and charge double the price for the best seats in the house. So where does "not very many" come from?
You cannot deny that Pearl Jam charge less and play more...
whereas all other musical acts that are as popular as Pearl Jam charge more and play less. So to say, you're making tons of money, you should be going out and playing 120+ songs might make sense, but realistically why are we criticizing the band who gives audiences the most bang for their buck?
And memorizing the words and music to a 120+ songs cannot be easy. I'm not saying this out of knowledge, it's more of a guess to me.
It's like criticizing the basketball player who makes the most money should sink every basket and get every rebound.... when realistically no one is perfect.
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Yeah so according to dewie theres bands out there who play 1,430 songs and play them all corectly, wow I need to go to one of their shows! :roll:
No. I actually have Creeds Debut album that I got for my birthday after seeing them at a festival. The debut really is not that bad. Once they publically got labeled a pearl jam rip off did this board start hating on them. Don't see much Alter Bridge bashing here- which proves my point that they are hated here because they were publically labeled a pearl jam rip off on Behind the music and the bass player was fired for trashing pj on Seattle radio which was completely stupid cause Creed was non existant when pearl jam was taking over the world musically- that's what I found so funny about that whole deal.
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You can put all that aside... as far as I am concerned, the Spectrum is an historic venue, if for no other reason, because Pearl Jam played the final 4 nights to close the place after 42 years...
History doesn't mean historic.
The 1st 2 rocky movies were historic, thats a fact.
As both a PJ/Bruce fan,you're wrong about his ticket prices. They are comparable to PJs!
Waste of money, or any good PJ concert at my fingertips? Lord knows that I know a good PJ boot from a bad one.
You showed him! Kudos - that looks like one hell of a collection.
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Nice! try that one on for size philly show haters!
I experienced my first pj concert ever at philly one, it was preety awesome.
Not eaxctly. I have a shit load of boots too, but that doesn't mean i know a good boot from a bad one. Its just MY opinion, of whats a good or bad boot. You think Philly '09 is over-rated, but i think there good boots. You see: just a matter of opinion.
a) I love this evacuation rules guy!
b) He went over there vs. their, earlier. now we need to add "they're."
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But yea MSG2 was better
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But as for the specific topic, I did not go to the Philly shows, nor did I buy the boots. If PJ would have put the Philly boots on sale right away, I probably would have bought them, but they gave me way too much time to think about it, and I would mainly only be paying for the rarities. I think the only songs they played that I don't otherwise own a soundboard live version of were Push Me Pull Me, Hold On, Bugs, Whip It and Sweet Lew. And that really wasn't enough to get me to pay $60.
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