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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    bbiggs said:
    Wobbie said:
    bbiggs said:
    Henry “Hank” Aaron is the all-time home run leader. 

    longevity was Hank’s greatest skill. great player but Bonds was better.
    Bonds definitely had more talent. Unfortunately he tainted that by juicing. Wouldn’t have broken the HR record without the juice, but he didn’t need to take anything to enhance his raw talent. A wise man once said, “The saddest thing in life is wasted talent.” - Robert DeNiro - A Bronx Tale
    He didn't taint anything.  People need to get over the steroid era already.  He wasn't doing anything different that anybody else was or wasn't doing.  There is no way to know for certain he wouldn't have broke the HR record.  He could've played another season or two and done it anyway.  Everyone focuses only the 73 HR year, never the other 21 seasons where he rarely ever hit more than 45.  Everyone wants to take some moral high road now looking back in hindsight like "juice" was the worst and only bad thing to ever happen to baseball.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited April 2019
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 
    It is ironic, isn’t it? 
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,244
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    tiger has no character.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,244
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    meet me in the baseball thread and tell me why Bonds is a “garbage person.” I’ll spot you steroids and churlishness with the media (which is really not something you should care about). go ahead, lay out all his garbageness.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • bflynn1
    bflynn1 Posts: 1,394
    If we're going to turn this into a baseball thread let's at least mention Vlad Guerrero. Dude had a hell of a golf swing. 
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,244
    bflynn1 said:
    If we're going to turn this into a baseball thread let's at least mention Vlad Guerrero. Dude had a hell of a golf swing. 

    really? cuz his baseball swing was not exactly textbook.

    I told juggler to bring his hatorade to the baseball thread.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,346
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 
    It is ironic, isn’t it? 
    Let's not forget his guy Urban Meyer.

    Wobbie likes:
    Barry Bonds
    Urban Meyer
    Roughly 8+ MLB teams
    Maybe 6+ NCAA football teams

    Wobbie dislikes:
    Tiger Woods
    Chicago Cubs...seemingly everyone on their current roster
    and the Tom Hanks of baseball, Mr. Greg Maddux 



    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,553

    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    First day of physical therapy for the neck and shoulder.  Still plan to golf in South Carolina on my trip next week.  May have to leave the driver in the bag.  Will take it easy and just enjoy being out there.  Hit a lot of short irons.  
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    First day of physical therapy for the neck and shoulder.  Still plan to golf in South Carolina on my trip next week.  May have to leave the driver in the bag.  Will take it easy and just enjoy being out there.  Hit a lot of short irons.  
    Play with a 7 iron only. You’d be surprised at how well you can play with that one club. 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    bbiggs said:
    First day of physical therapy for the neck and shoulder.  Still plan to golf in South Carolina on my trip next week.  May have to leave the driver in the bag.  Will take it easy and just enjoy being out there.  Hit a lot of short irons.  
    Play with a 7 iron only. You’d be surprised at how well you can play with that one club. 
    That sounds like a fun idea to experiment with.  

    I have an excuse now to pick it out of the sand and heavy rough!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Wobbie said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    meet me in the baseball thread and tell me why Bonds is a “garbage person.” I’ll spot you steroids and churlishness with the media (which is really not something you should care about). go ahead, lay out all his garbageness.
    Why don’t you tell us why Tiger is a garbage person first?
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  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,553
    Got my new irons today. Teitlist 718 AP1's. Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow after work. 
    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,244
    Wobbie said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    meet me in the baseball thread and tell me why Bonds is a “garbage person.” I’ll spot you steroids and churlishness with the media (which is really not something you should care about). go ahead, lay out all his garbageness.
    Why don’t you tell us why Tiger is a garbage person first?

    serial philanderer, complete stiff as a tipper (ask my vegas friends), 100% phony....
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    meet me in the baseball thread and tell me why Bonds is a “garbage person.” I’ll spot you steroids and churlishness with the media (which is really not something you should care about). go ahead, lay out all his garbageness.
    Why don’t you tell us why Tiger is a garbage person first?

    serial philanderer, complete stiff as a tipper (ask my vegas friends), 100% phony....
    Obstruction of justice conviction, domestic abuse allegations, confirmed steroid use...I mean Tigers no angel either, but c’mon. 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    bbiggs said:
    First day of physical therapy for the neck and shoulder.  Still plan to golf in South Carolina on my trip next week.  May have to leave the driver in the bag.  Will take it easy and just enjoy being out there.  Hit a lot of short irons.  
    Play with a 7 iron only. You’d be surprised at how well you can play with that one club. 
    That sounds like a fun idea to experiment with.  

    I have an excuse now to pick it out of the sand and heavy rough!
    I actually did it once. Played an entire round with nothing but a 7 iron. It was a lot of fun and brings out the creative side of the game for sure. Surprisingly, played pretty well too. 
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,244
    bbiggs said:
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    meet me in the baseball thread and tell me why Bonds is a “garbage person.” I’ll spot you steroids and churlishness with the media (which is really not something you should care about). go ahead, lay out all his garbageness.
    Why don’t you tell us why Tiger is a garbage person first?

    serial philanderer, complete stiff as a tipper (ask my vegas friends), 100% phony....
    Obstruction of justice conviction, domestic abuse allegations, confirmed steroid use...I mean Tigers no angel either, but c’mon. 

    overturned, “allegations”, and tiger’s dealings with dr. gallea could raise some suspicions too.

    and, steroid use is not “confirmed” but i’ll accept it.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited April 2019
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ No moral high ground here; however, when we’re talking about one of the greatest records in modern sport, I’m in the camp that an asterisk must be put next to Bonds’ name.  You’re in the other camp, which is all good. No one is right or wrong here. And I stand by my belief that without juice he doesn’t break the record. 
    Steroids or not, he's a garbage person and it's quite humorous to see his biggest fan here rip Tiger all the time over his character. 

    meet me in the baseball thread and tell me why Bonds is a “garbage person.” I’ll spot you steroids and churlishness with the media (which is really not something you should care about). go ahead, lay out all his garbageness.
    Why don’t you tell us why Tiger is a garbage person first?

    serial philanderer, complete stiff as a tipper (ask my vegas friends), 100% phony....
    Dude that is some weak shit right here. 

    Bonds has been divorced more times than Tiger. Only difference was Tiger's stuff was played out in the media. So one guy gets a pass because he was able to keep his personal life out of the public eye? I just can't believe the fact that someone cheated on his wife makes you this upset. Half of all marriages end in divorce....

    And tipping? This is it? I was expecting a lot more cynical reasons for all your festering hatred towards the guy all these years. Poor tipping and cheating on his wife is all there is though. So, basically, you hate most people on this planet.
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