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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254

    Is this why I see loads of late 80's Toyota 4x4's on trailers heading down to Mexico?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254
    brianlux said:
    11 more reasons what The Fucking Wall is a bad idea:

    The carbon emissions from constructing Trump's proposed 1,000 miles of new border wall could top 7.8 million metric tons, according to MIT Technology Review.

    But if animals couldn't travel back and forth between habitats and resources on either side of the border, many species would face local extinction in the US.

    The Stanford analysis showed that 346 species would lose access to half of their habitat because of a border wall.

    Animal migration patterns — even those of birds — would be disrupted.

    A wall would also make it harder for many animal species to adapt to climate change.

    One of the greatest potential environmental impacts of a border wall would be almost invisible at first: it would lead species to become less resilient to stress.

    Conservationists are particularly concerned about the future of the Mexican gray wolf.

    A border wall would also change the flow of major rivers.

    Depending on where and how a wall were erected — in the middle of a river, say — it could even act like a dam.

    One example of such flooding was a 2008 disaster that happened along the US-Mexico border in Nogales, Arizona.

    The border wall could have other impacts as well, like imperiling water-sharing agreements.






















    That last one about water sharing is already a problem as there is little to no water heading down that way so cross that one off.  The rest can stay!
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 

    I had a friend in high school who used to say 'run school like a prison, get prison problems'

    Educate people and provide decent health care and society will thrive.

    Build walls and create a surveillance state, well....just look at how peaceful Israel is
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 

    I had a friend in high school who used to say 'run school like a prison, get prison problems'

    Educate people and provide decent health care and society will thrive.

    Build walls and create a surveillance state, well....just look at how peaceful Israel is
    If they loosen up on the immigration rules maybe less people would come across illegally?  I don't know.

    The wall is supposed to be a deterrent and to enter through legal means.

    Comparing it to Israels wall is a wee bit different as our neighbors below aren't sending mortars over and we aren't retaliating or vice versa.

    We have had a wall for years, people are still coming over.  Lather, rinse, wash repeat.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,342
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,519
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.
    That’s ridiculous. I don’t know what’s wrong wirh those people. I’m guessing that the high earners generally send their kids to private school; since they didn’t see a personal benefit, they’re willing to say “screw you” to all the other kids. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,342
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.
    That’s ridiculous. I don’t know what’s wrong with those people. I’m guessing that the high earners generally send their kids to private school; since they didn’t see a personal benefit, they’re willing to say “screw you” to all the other kids. 
    I think most didn't bother reading it. There really was no campaign or advertisement for it. I think people saw the word "tax increase" and stop reading and vote no. Didn't even realize it may not apply to them, and even if it did were talking $150 for someone making 100k.
  • mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.

    This is the part that consistently gets me.

    Further... once many people have no direct need for the schools... their levels of support wane from barely adequate to zero.

    Don't get me wrong: there are many great and supportive people backing schools and teachers. But there are far too many that simply don't get it.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 

    I had a friend in high school who used to say 'run school like a prison, get prison problems'

    Educate people and provide decent health care and society will thrive.

    Build walls and create a surveillance state, well....just look at how peaceful Israel is
    If they loosen up on the immigration rules maybe less people would come across illegally?  I don't know.

    The wall is supposed to be a deterrent and to enter through legal means.

    Comparing it to Israels wall is a wee bit different as our neighbors below aren't sending mortars over and we aren't retaliating or vice versa.

    We have had a wall for years, people are still coming over.  Lather, rinse, wash repeat.
    *yet*

    didn't we just fire a bunch of rubber bullets and tear gas across the border like that was an ok thing to do?
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
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    ruskies must have serious dirt on Graham
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,536

    And for refugees who can't afford all that, I can visualize a nice rope ladder to enter the U.S., find an agent and request asylum. Now we need more judges to process those very legal requests that are supposed to happen at ports of entry.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,974
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.

    This is the part that consistently gets me.

    Further... once many people have no direct need for the schools... their levels of support wane from barely adequate to zero.

    Don't get me wrong: there are many great and supportive people backing schools and teachers. But there are far too many that simply don't get it.
    All part of the repub’s philosophy of there not being any common good unless you look like them, pray like them, have sex or procreate like them, earn like them or want to go to war like them.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,974
    CM189191 said:
    Quadrupling down. They really do think the majority of Americans are stupid.  Team Trump Treason could have had the funding a year, six months and a month or so ago. A year ago, Paul Ryan thought a tax cut to the tune of $1.2 trillion was more of a priority. And here we are. Not listening to the experts on cost and effectiveness is to be separated from reality. Suckers.
     
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,519
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.

    This is the part that consistently gets me.

    Further... once many people have no direct need for the schools... their levels of support wane from barely adequate to zero.

    Don't get me wrong: there are many great and supportive people backing schools and teachers. But there are far too many that simply don't get it.
    All part of the repub’s philosophy of there not being any common good unless you look like them, pray like them, have sex or procreate like them, earn like them or want to go to war like them.
    “Have sex like them” just gave me a nasty shudder. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 

    I had a friend in high school who used to say 'run school like a prison, get prison problems'

    Educate people and provide decent health care and society will thrive.

    Build walls and create a surveillance state, well....just look at how peaceful Israel is
    I couldn't agree more.  And we need more than just more education.  We need better education.  Teach people critical thinking.  Teach integrated curriculum to reflect how life really is.  Teach not just numbers and letters but creativity, fun and cooperation.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,974
    I guess folks really don’t want a wall after all.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,917
    So.... What does that mean? That Trump can basically pickpocket the Army Corps of Engineers for the money instead of getting Congress to approve funding? Or does that mean something else?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,467
    PJ_Soul said:
    So.... What does that mean? That Trump can basically pickpocket the Army Corps of Engineers for the money instead of getting Congress to approve funding? Or does that mean something else?
    The one thing it damn sure means is that Mexico ain't paying for shit ! 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,974
    How much you want to bet that levee improvements in and around New Orleans take a hit? Or and projects in Dem districts/states?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,467
    Please please the powers that be make this individual go away that's the nicest way i can put it ...
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 3,016
    Please please the powers that be make this individual go away that's the nicest way i can put it ...
    He IS the powers that be.... 

    :(
    Near to death.
    Here to die.
    Scared alive.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Please please the powers that be make this individual go away that's the nicest way i can put it ...
    He IS the powers that be.... 

    :(
    He isn't all-powerful but he has made sure his cabinet is made up of people who will do his bidding, plus he seems to have the senate majority in his pocket, and there are an amazingly large number of very either stupid, naive, or crazy people who think he's the greatest.  And that's what concerns me the most- the fact that there are enough people going along with and supporting the gag such that it very much appears that we are living in a very disturbing and fucked up time in history. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,974
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.
    Why don’t you move? Go somewhere else? Places the repubs tell you where the opportunity lies? Pick yourself up by the bootstraps? Yet, you don’t and you wonder, why?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,519
    For those who said that those in the caravan weren't really asylum-seekers, just people looking to scam the system in the US:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/nelson-espinal-death-deported-migrant-caravan-us-border-honduras

    'A death sentence': migrant caravan member killed in Honduras after US sent him back

    Fleeing threats, Nelson Espinal traveled to the US. One week after he was deported, he was shot dead

    Jeff Ernst in Tegucigalpa

    Several days after Nelson Espinal slipped across the US southern border, he called his family back in Honduras from inside a US detention center.

    “Tell Mom not to worry – I’m applying for asylum,” Espinal, 28, told his sister Patricia, who recounted the December phone call with tears streaming down her sun-scarred cheeks. “We must pray to God that they give it to me. I told them I can’t go back to Honduras because if I go back, they’re going to kill me.”

    Espinal had made the 4,900km journey with several thousand others who joined the migrant caravan in October in the hopes of starting a new life.

    Within weeks of reaching the US, however, he was deported back to his gang-infested neighborhood in the Honduran capital Tegucigalpa – and the death threats that had prompted him to flee.

    He resolved to try his luck again in the new year: head north, save his life and find a way to help his family and provide for his seven-year-old son.

    But just over a week after his return, Nelson was shot dead on the street outside his home on 18 December 2018.

    Despite a recent drop in homicide rates in Honduras and neighboring countries, Espinal’s murder is a sharp reminder that for many people in the region, the decision to migrate is one of life or death.

    A ruling last June by the then US attorney general Jeff Sessions made it all but impossible for victims of gang violence like Espinal to obtain asylum. And as a new migrant caravan prepares to set off from Honduras on Tuesday, more will probably suffer the same fate.

    Espinal lived with his parents, four sisters and son in a rough shack in the José Ángel Ulloa neighborhood. High in the mountains that cup the city centre, the area is dominated by the notorious MS-13 gang.

    In cities across Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, gangs terrorize residents into submission and recruit young people by force or coercion, promising “work” for youths who have little prospect of finding formal employment – and threatening death for those who refuse.

    “When they get their eye on someone, they search them out again and again,” said Patricia Espinal.

    The gangs had tried to recruit her brother since he was a teenager, but he had steadfastly resisted. “They’re asking if I want to work with him,” she recalled him saying. “[But] I’d rather have rough hands [from manual labor] than join a gang.”

    So when news broke last October that a large group of migrants was planning to head north from the city of San Pedro Sula, Espinal and a pair of friends rushed to join the caravan, calculating that there would be safety in numbers.

    It was unprecedented for such a large number to set out together, and Espinal believed the caravan offered the perfect opportunity to escape. In the end, however, the violence that has plagued Honduras for more than a decade proved inescapable...

    (continued in article)

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    This wall business has me fuming this morning.  That 6 billion dollars could go toward education, both here and south of the border.  Education is the key to solving so many problems.  That may sound over-simplified (and to a degree it is) but basically I think it's true.  But no, half this crazy country wants to use that money to build a stinkin' wall

    I need a punching bag this morning.  Or maybe go out to the garage and break some shit.  :lol:

    Naaah, I gotta get to work! 
    Well my state, CO, which has a teacher salary about 20% below the average, just voted down a very small tax increase that would increase education funding. It was something like 015% only to those who make over 100k. And it failed miserably. Wasn't even close. So that 5 billion won't be going to education. Parents don't want to fund their kid's education, but expect more and more from schools.
    I'm guessing you are writing letters and calling your representatives to voice your opinion about this.  If so, great!  If not...
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254
    For those who said that those in the caravan weren't really asylum-seekers, just people looking to scam the system in the US:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/nelson-espinal-death-deported-migrant-caravan-us-border-honduras

    'A death sentence': migrant caravan member killed in Honduras after US sent him back

    Fleeing threats, Nelson Espinal traveled to the US. One week after he was deported, he was shot dead

    Jeff Ernst in Tegucigalpa

    Several days after Nelson Espinal slipped across the US southern border, he called his family back in Honduras from inside a US detention center.

    “Tell Mom not to worry – I’m applying for asylum,” Espinal, 28, told his sister Patricia, who recounted the December phone call with tears streaming down her sun-scarred cheeks. “We must pray to God that they give it to me. I told them I can’t go back to Honduras because if I go back, they’re going to kill me.”

    Espinal had made the 4,900km journey with several thousand others who joined the migrant caravan in October in the hopes of starting a new life.

    Within weeks of reaching the US, however, he was deported back to his gang-infested neighborhood in the Honduran capital Tegucigalpa – and the death threats that had prompted him to flee.

    He resolved to try his luck again in the new year: head north, save his life and find a way to help his family and provide for his seven-year-old son.

    But just over a week after his return, Nelson was shot dead on the street outside his home on 18 December 2018.

    Despite a recent drop in homicide rates in Honduras and neighboring countries, Espinal’s murder is a sharp reminder that for many people in the region, the decision to migrate is one of life or death.

    A ruling last June by the then US attorney general Jeff Sessions made it all but impossible for victims of gang violence like Espinal to obtain asylum. And as a new migrant caravan prepares to set off from Honduras on Tuesday, more will probably suffer the same fate.

    Espinal lived with his parents, four sisters and son in a rough shack in the José Ángel Ulloa neighborhood. High in the mountains that cup the city centre, the area is dominated by the notorious MS-13 gang.

    In cities across Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, gangs terrorize residents into submission and recruit young people by force or coercion, promising “work” for youths who have little prospect of finding formal employment – and threatening death for those who refuse.

    “When they get their eye on someone, they search them out again and again,” said Patricia Espinal.

    The gangs had tried to recruit her brother since he was a teenager, but he had steadfastly resisted. “They’re asking if I want to work with him,” she recalled him saying. “[But] I’d rather have rough hands [from manual labor] than join a gang.”

    So when news broke last October that a large group of migrants was planning to head north from the city of San Pedro Sula, Espinal and a pair of friends rushed to join the caravan, calculating that there would be safety in numbers.

    It was unprecedented for such a large number to set out together, and Espinal believed the caravan offered the perfect opportunity to escape. In the end, however, the violence that has plagued Honduras for more than a decade proved inescapable...

    (continued in article)

    They need to find more of this happening unfortunately to pull at the heart strings of people.  Only one example/death won't change peoples minds...

    Something else.  The article says "violence plagued Honduras for more than a decade".  I can remember meeting people that fled from there 25 years ago.  It seems this has been going on for so long people might not know any better which is just horrible.

    Take the wall money and put it into processing people faster, let them all in, yep all of them, but they aren't allowed benefits of welfare, let them find work and give them a probationary period to become a full time citizen.

    Allowing them no benefits is harsh but would appease the right and them seeking out work would show that they aren't an anchor to the community.

    Thoughts?
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,942
    For those who said that those in the caravan weren't really asylum-seekers, just people looking to scam the system in the US:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/nelson-espinal-death-deported-migrant-caravan-us-border-honduras

    'A death sentence': migrant caravan member killed in Honduras after US sent him back

    Fleeing threats, Nelson Espinal traveled to the US. One week after he was deported, he was shot dead

    Jeff Ernst in Tegucigalpa

    Several days after Nelson Espinal slipped across the US southern border, he called his family back in Honduras from inside a US detention center.

    “Tell Mom not to worry – I’m applying for asylum,” Espinal, 28, told his sister Patricia, who recounted the December phone call with tears streaming down her sun-scarred cheeks. “We must pray to God that they give it to me. I told them I can’t go back to Honduras because if I go back, they’re going to kill me.”

    Espinal had made the 4,900km journey with several thousand others who joined the migrant caravan in October in the hopes of starting a new life.

    Within weeks of reaching the US, however, he was deported back to his gang-infested neighborhood in the Honduran capital Tegucigalpa – and the death threats that had prompted him to flee.

    He resolved to try his luck again in the new year: head north, save his life and find a way to help his family and provide for his seven-year-old son.

    But just over a week after his return, Nelson was shot dead on the street outside his home on 18 December 2018.

    Despite a recent drop in homicide rates in Honduras and neighboring countries, Espinal’s murder is a sharp reminder that for many people in the region, the decision to migrate is one of life or death.

    A ruling last June by the then US attorney general Jeff Sessions made it all but impossible for victims of gang violence like Espinal to obtain asylum. And as a new migrant caravan prepares to set off from Honduras on Tuesday, more will probably suffer the same fate.

    Espinal lived with his parents, four sisters and son in a rough shack in the José Ángel Ulloa neighborhood. High in the mountains that cup the city centre, the area is dominated by the notorious MS-13 gang.

    In cities across Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, gangs terrorize residents into submission and recruit young people by force or coercion, promising “work” for youths who have little prospect of finding formal employment – and threatening death for those who refuse.

    “When they get their eye on someone, they search them out again and again,” said Patricia Espinal.

    The gangs had tried to recruit her brother since he was a teenager, but he had steadfastly resisted. “They’re asking if I want to work with him,” she recalled him saying. “[But] I’d rather have rough hands [from manual labor] than join a gang.”

    So when news broke last October that a large group of migrants was planning to head north from the city of San Pedro Sula, Espinal and a pair of friends rushed to join the caravan, calculating that there would be safety in numbers.

    It was unprecedented for such a large number to set out together, and Espinal believed the caravan offered the perfect opportunity to escape. In the end, however, the violence that has plagued Honduras for more than a decade proved inescapable...

    (continued in article)

    They need to find more of this happening unfortunately to pull at the heart strings of people.  Only one example/death won't change peoples minds...

    Something else.  The article says "violence plagued Honduras for more than a decade".  I can remember meeting people that fled from there 25 years ago.  It seems this has been going on for so long people might not know any better which is just horrible.

    Take the wall money and put it into processing people faster, let them all in, yep all of them, but they aren't allowed benefits of welfare, let them find work and give them a probationary period to become a full time citizen.

    Allowing them no benefits is harsh but would appease the right and them seeking out work would show that they aren't an anchor to the community.

    Thoughts?
    So are you saying, anyone who shows up at the border let in?  
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