Your opinion about Immigration.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,592
    This is long but a good read....I've read a bunch but then skimmed, will have to go back later.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/magazine/the-democrats-have-an-immigration-problem.html


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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,942
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,993
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Even some moderate Republicans have advocated what's known as the "Marshall Plan" for central America.  Attack the root of the reason why they want to migrate.  Help the third world develop.  NAFTA has done that with Mexico, but Central America has not seen a similar benefit I don't believe.  
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    edited January 10
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Makes sense to me.  I've heard this idea from various sources for many years but not seen any movement that way.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,942
    Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot
    https://globalnews.ca/news/4833557/trump-mexico-border-wall-write-a-cheque/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1hJEnAa_dg07YPNwUrY_CedZm4AsI_WMrnMuXEZ9ucLcUQaRmtjcYJs9Q

    Man, he is dumb as dog shit, every news outlet in the world has footage of you saying it daily.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254
    brianlux said:
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Makes sense to me.  I've heard this idea from various sources for many years but not seen any movement that way.
    I brought this up a while back.  I considered the US "meddling" in south Americas affairs in order to bring them around but maybe it's just not possible.

    Look at Haiti.  You can throw as much money as you want at that country and it's still corrupt.

    A whole lot needs to change before they turn good.


  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,942
    brianlux said:
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Makes sense to me.  I've heard this idea from various sources for many years but not seen any movement that way.
    I brought this up a while back.  I considered the US "meddling" in south Americas affairs in order to bring them around but maybe it's just not possible.

    Look at Haiti.  You can throw as much money as you want at that country and it's still corrupt.

    A whole lot needs to change before they turn good.


    Agreed, got to get rid of corruption in those countries.  Not easily done, I can only image how much cartel money in Mexico is spent to bribe government officials.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,467
    Yeah that’s a daunting task to bring Central America out of corruption..
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,942
    Yeah that’s a daunting task to bring Central America out of corruption..
    You are correct.  It would be at least worth trying.  We can not bring every poor person from Mexico/CA/SA north?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,917
    edited January 10
    brianlux said:
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Makes sense to me.  I've heard this idea from various sources for many years but not seen any movement that way.
    I would think that any other country would be extremely wary of this idea, considering how badly America has managed to fuck over so many countries, like in the Middle East. I bet a lot of people in Central and South America are terrified of the idea of America meddling in their affairs, no matter how bad shit already is there. They have NO reason to trust America to do anything other than enrich the rich and enable dictators, really. What America should do is let other nations evolve on their own. Stick to just helpful trade agreements (that won't happen under Trump, but later). You CANNOT force any other country out of corruption or or force actual democracy on them or anything like that. People need to find their own way as far as I can tell.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229

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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,266
    brianlux said:
    Oh man that would truly be great I’d consider trying to attend , if only he could be there today performing it on the Mexico side ..

    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,993
    The evidence before the court is
    Incontrovertible, there's no need for
    The jury to retire
    In all my years of judging
    I have never heard before
    Of someone more deserving
    Of the full penalty of law
    The way you made them suffer
    Your exquisite wife and mother
    Fills me with the urge to defecate
    Since, my friend, you have revealed your
    Deepest fear
    I sentence you to be exposed before
    Your peers
    Tear down the wall
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,266
    mrussel1 said:
    The evidence before the court is
    Incontrovertible, there's no need for
    The jury to retire
    In all my years of judging
    I have never heard before
    Of someone more deserving
    Of the full penalty of law
    The way you made them suffer
    Your exquisite wife and mother
    Fills me with the urge to defecate

    Since, my friend, you have revealed your
    Deepest fear
    I sentence you to be exposed before
    Your peers
    Tear down the wall
    Fitting! Tear down the wall!

    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254

    I was wondering what this was until I finally saw the story.

    So this is what the proposed border wall will be made of.  They said they cut through it with a saw.

    It looks to me like a torch did it but a saw could definitely cut through this too.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 17,254

    I was wondering what this was until I finally saw the story.

    So this is what the proposed border wall will be made of.  They said they cut through it with a saw.

    It looks to me like a torch did it but a saw could definitely cut through this too.
    The story.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    brianlux said:
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Makes sense to me.  I've heard this idea from various sources for many years but not seen any movement that way.
    I brought this up a while back.  I considered the US "meddling" in south Americas affairs in order to bring them around but maybe it's just not possible.

    Look at Haiti.  You can throw as much money as you want at that country and it's still corrupt.

    A whole lot needs to change before they turn good.


    I honestly don't know what it would take to make it work.  Edward Abbey once suggested giving every immigrant from south of the border a can of beans and a rifle and send them home.   I think he was talking metaphorically but those words cost him a lot of grief.  But I'm just not sure the umpteenth revolution is going to make a difference.  I think it has to be education, (including teaching birth control)  and having organizations that assist in countries developing their own agriculture in order to move toward self-sufficiency. 

    And sharing cultures.  That's a great way to help end the hate.
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294

    I was wondering what this was until I finally saw the story.

    So this is what the proposed border wall will be made of.  They said they cut through it with a saw.

    It looks to me like a torch did it but a saw could definitely cut through this too.
    The story.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
    These need to be cut low enough to allow animal migration.  Let's please not forget that one of the other horrors of the Fucking Wall is the disruption of animal migration.
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    -Neil Young
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
    brianlux said:
    As long as I can remember immigration has been a hot topic in US politics.  I can not see how you will ever solve your immigration problems as long as all the southern countries below you remain poor.  Maybe it would be better if we could somehow start to work with the governments of these countries to lift them out of poverty.  Of course, this is not in the best interest of corporate America.
    Makes sense to me.  I've heard this idea from various sources for many years but not seen any movement that way.
    I brought this up a while back.  I considered the US "meddling" in south Americas affairs in order to bring them around but maybe it's just not possible.

    Look at Haiti.  You can throw as much money as you want at that country and it's still corrupt.

    A whole lot needs to change before they turn good.


    Haiti is still corrupt because people keep throwing money at it.  
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,332
    January 2017 - GOP majority
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    November 2018 Democratic majority elected in House
    January 2019 EMERGENCY
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229
    Some “emergency:”


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,592
    Some “emergency:”


    That is just dumb.  what a stupid tweet.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,229

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 26,294
    11 more reasons what The Fucking Wall is a bad idea:

    The carbon emissions from constructing Trump's proposed 1,000 miles of new border wall could top 7.8 million metric tons, according to MIT Technology Review.

    But if animals couldn't travel back and forth between habitats and resources on either side of the border, many species would face local extinction in the US.

    The Stanford analysis showed that 346 species would lose access to half of their habitat because of a border wall.

    Animal migration patterns — even those of birds — would be disrupted.

    A wall would also make it harder for many animal species to adapt to climate change.

    One of the greatest potential environmental impacts of a border wall would be almost invisible at first: it would lead species to become less resilient to stress.

    Conservationists are particularly concerned about the future of the Mexican gray wolf.

    A border wall would also change the flow of major rivers.

    Depending on where and how a wall were erected — in the middle of a river, say — it could even act like a dam.

    One example of such flooding was a 2008 disaster that happened along the US-Mexico border in Nogales, Arizona.

    The border wall could have other impacts as well, like imperiling water-sharing agreements.






















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  • This topic has come up before. The US is not squeaky clean protecting young girls from drooling, perverted older men.

    This (from your link) is horrific: Amin, now 29, said she was betrothed to her first cousin Tariq when she was just 8 and he was 21. Pretty f**king sick to view girls as items for trade or pawns for assisting men with their immigration objectives? If not useful to men... then nothing but burdens? 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,342

    Now we just need a wall that can prevent those empty cars from coming.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,942

    This topic has come up before. The US is not squeaky clean protecting young girls from drooling, perverted older men.

    This (from your link) is horrific: Amin, now 29, said she was betrothed to her first cousin Tariq when she was just 8 and he was 21. Pretty f**king sick to view girls as items for trade or pawns for assisting men with their immigration objectives? If not useful to men... then nothing but burdens? 
    Disgusting to me.  Would be surprised if Canada does as well.
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