There is no leap in logic. If your kid is involved in aything you should be there to teach them. If YOU didn't play softball then there is no reason for your parents to instruct you on how to play, especially if you didn't have any intrest in it.. But these Kids DID play softball. Your running out of excuses.
You keep saying i am generalizing, but you are doing the same thing, you are making excuses for why they are not there by saing, Helth, no money, busy working. Iam sorry but those excuses your implying that they are doing everything in their power to succeed but in reality there is no progress being made and the stats don't match your excuses, so you telling me that the over 50% dropout rate is because all the parents are to busy working??? Yet welfare receiptians are increasing. If they are working so much then they would not be on welfare, Its almost impossible to have a decent job and receive welfare, my wifes sister had an issue with this, she worked at Dillars and working more than 30 hours a week making $7 an hour put her over qualified.
I know i am painting with a broad brush, but I am speaking from experience. Your excuses don't line up with their progress (none) and mine do.
Dude, you are so far out of touch with some people's reality that it's scary. Go ahead and speak from experience if you think this is a valid form of data, but then you must give credence to my experience as well. Also, you have not answered ANY of my questions! For instance, you keep saying you know about income requirements for welfare, yet you refuse to actual tell us exactly what they are. If you know so much, then go ahead and educate us! You didn't even answer my question where I asked you to define what you mean by "welfare". Or the one where I asked you to define what you mean by your suggestions about adoption being the way to solve this problem. And, not to be mean, but I can't help but point out that so many people around here talk shit about others' lack of education when they themselves demonstate a lack of real education as well!
There is no leap in logic. If your kid is involved in aything you should be there to teach them. If YOU didn't play softball then there is no reason for your parents to instruct you on how to play, especially if you didn't have any intrest in it.. But these Kids DID play softball. Your running out of excuses.
You keep saying i am generalizing, but you are doing the same thing, you are making excuses for why they are not there by saing, Helth, no money, busy working. Iam sorry but those excuses your implying that they are doing everything in their power to succeed but in reality there is no progress being made and the stats don't match your excuses, so you telling me that the over 50% dropout rate is because all the parents are to busy working??? Yet welfare receiptians are increasing. If they are working so much then they would not be on welfare, Its almost impossible to have a decent job and receive welfare, my wifes sister had an issue with this, she worked at Dillars and working more than 30 hours a week making $7 an hour put her over qualified.
I know i am painting with a broad brush, but I am speaking from experience. Your excuses don't line up with their progress (none) and mine do.
I don't think anyone is denying that some ethnic minorities don't value education, don't accept personal responsibility, etc. You're right. But some white individuals don't either. It IS a leap in logic to extrapolate those atributes to whole populations. How is it that you don't realize that?
I know whites do it to. But Blacks make up 14% of our population and 40% is on welfare. That is a huge number to such a small percent of people that make up the US. how is it that you don't realize that?
I don't think anyone is denying that some ethnic minorities don't value education, don't accept personal responsibility, etc. You're right. But some white individuals don't either. It IS a leap in logic to extrapolate those atributes to whole populations. How is it that you don't realize that?[/quote] I know whites do it to. But Blacks make up 14% of our population and 40% is on welfare. That is a huge number to such a small percent of people that make up the US. how is it that you don't realize that?[/quote]
I do realize that and on that point, I am agreeing with you :!: The mistake you're making is that you say something may true for a segment of a population (e.g. the blacks in neighborhoods where you live don't value education) and insist it reflects THE population (e.g. blacks don't value education). It's the same as "most spousal abuse is comitted by men, therefore men are spousal abusers." Don't you see that cultural attitudes suggesting that all men are spousal abusers are offensive to those men, like you (I assume) who are not abusive? If you were a statistician, you'd be fired on your first day of work.
The best way to not have unexpected pregnancies is by safe sex, birth control, and to teach kids about it, not to sugar coat it how they do things today. Instead of treating sex like it does not happend,in school they need to explain to kids how realistic it is. This could help.
I agree that education & contraception are the best ways to prevent unintended pregnancy.
We have to remember, though, that women must have ACCESS to RELIABLE contraception in order to decrease unintended pregnancy rates. Poor women have considerably less access to reliable contraception. (Do you know what the most reliable form of contraception is? The IUD. Do you know how much it costs - just for the device, not including the doctor's visit? $703.) So what do you intend to do or what policies do you intend to support to increase poor women's access to reliable contraception, since this is so important to you?
We must also remember that contraception still does fail - a lot more often than people realize.
As far as reality #2. Put the child in the best possible care it can recieve. If the parents can't afford a child then someone else needs to take care of the child, there should be visitation if the bio parents want that, but it is extremely unfair for a child to grow up to live a life where they have to take care of their parents and live a life with no promise or taught any responsibility.
these are just my opinions, I am not saying they are right or perfect, but this is how i see fixing a problem that seems to have no end.
It sounds to me like you are suggesting that children born to parents receiving welfare be taken away from their parents and adopted by wealthier families. Is that correct? If you don't mean that this should happen as a matter of policy, there's no way in hell it will happen regularly enough to even make a dent in the problem. Would you actually give your child away just because you were going through financial hardship at the time of delivery? Neither would most anyone else.
How about if you do not want kids do not have sex. Easy enough. Oh wait that is just too stupid of a concept. If you try heroin there is a good chance you will be hooked for life. If you have unprotected sex there is a good chance you can either become pregnant or get a disease. Is it 100% that you will not get pregnant using a condom no, but you have better odds. Oh wait I forgot everything is the mans fault. :roll:.
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How about if you do not want kids do not have sex. Easy enough. Oh wait that is just too stupid of a concept. If you try heroin there is a good chance you will be hooked for life. If you have unprotected sex there is a good chance you can either become pregnant or get a disease. Is it 100% that you will not get pregnant using a condom no, but you have better odds. Oh wait I forgot everything is the mans fault. :roll:.
Have you ever gotten laid in your life? Were you intending to procreate every time? Are you married? Do you think your wife should never have sex with you again unless you both want children at that time? :roll:
Addendum to all of my posts - I should not be grouping entire groups of races into my personal experiences, Sorry for being so stubborn about that.
And no one is is denying racisim exists, I said it is easy to succeed as a minority, and I believe that to be true.
But racisim exists both ways. SOme of you act as if its is a one way street.
SCB I will answer your post when i get some more time.
Addendum to all of my posts - I should not be grouping entire groups of races into my personal experiences, Sorry for being so stubborn about that.
Is this one of those times when you forgot to use the quote button?
And no one is is denying racisim exists, I said it is easy to succeed as a minority, and I believe that to be true.
But racisim exists both ways. SOme of you act as if its is a one way street.
SCB I will answer your post when i get some more time.
How about if you do not want kids do not have sex. Easy enough. Oh wait that is just too stupid of a concept. If you try heroin there is a good chance you will be hooked for life. If you have unprotected sex there is a good chance you can either become pregnant or get a disease. Is it 100% that you will not get pregnant using a condom no, but you have better odds. Oh wait I forgot everything is the mans fault. :roll:.
Have you ever gotten laid in your life? Were you intending to procreate every time? Are you married? Do you think your wife should never have sex with you again unless you both want children at that time? :roll:
Here we go, I have a daughter who was about 11 months when my wife became pregnant. Unexpected yes but we are married and work pretty decent jobs. Before we were married we had sex and used protection so we did not have children. It is not a hard concept to grasp there is a possibility to have kids everytime you have sex, so if you do not want kids either do not have sex or use protection. And to answer your last question we use a condom everytime we have sex now because a two year old and a 6 month old is all we want right now.
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How about if you do not want kids do not have sex. Easy enough. Oh wait that is just too stupid of a concept. If you try heroin there is a good chance you will be hooked for life. If you have unprotected sex there is a good chance you can either become pregnant or get a disease. Is it 100% that you will not get pregnant using a condom no, but you have better odds. Oh wait I forgot everything is the mans fault. :roll:.
Have you ever gotten laid in your life? Were you intending to procreate every time? Are you married? Do you think your wife should never have sex with you again unless you both want children at that time? :roll:
Here we go, I have a daughter who was about 11 months when my wife became pregnant. Unexpected yes but we are married and work pretty decent jobs. Before we were married we had sex and used protection so we did not have children. It is not a hard concept to grasp there is a possibility to have kids everytime you have sex, so if you do not want kids either do not have sex or use protection. And to answer your last question we use a condom everytime we have sex now because a two year old and a 6 month old is all we want right now.
And you think you're being 100% responsible by using one of the least effective methods of contraception?? I believe you and I have been over this before, but contraception fails. You seem to know this because your initial post said if you don't want kids you shouldn't have sex - though now you admit that you don't follow your own advice. Guess it's not "easy enough" after all.
And you think you're being 100% responsible by using one of the least effective methods of contraception?? I believe you and I have been over this before, but contraception fails. You seem to know this because your initial post said if you don't want kids you shouldn't have sex - though now you admit that you don't follow your own advice. Guess it's not "easy enough" after all.
That's kinda silly, you have to admit. Contraception fails? Sure, sometimes. But using some form of protection is 100% MORE responsible than not giving a shit. And while I admit contraceptives do not have a 100% success rate, I think you are being unreasonable to suggest "contraception fails". Contraception succeeds at a pretty good rate.
And you think you're being 100% responsible by using one of the least effective methods of contraception?? I believe you and I have been over this before, but contraception fails. You seem to know this because your initial post said if you don't want kids you shouldn't have sex - though now you admit that you don't follow your own advice. Guess it's not "easy enough" after all.
That's kinda silly, you have to admit. Contraception fails? Sure, sometimes. But using some form of protection is 100% MORE responsible than not giving a shit. And while I admit contraceptives do not have a 100% success rate, I think you are being unreasonable to suggest "contraception fails". Contraception succeeds at a pretty good rate.
While I would love to have a conversation about contraceptive failure rates, which are much higher than most people realize, that wasn't really my point. My point was that it's because he knows that contraception fails that he initially said people who don't want kids right then shouldn't have sex at all - but he doesn't practice what he preaches. I just think it's doubly ironic that it's a relatively shitty method of birth control that he thinks should make him (but not others) exempt from his original assertion of what people should be doing.
I'm not in any way suggesting that contraception isn't worth using, by the way. But I do think it's significant to this discussion that approximately half of pregnancies in the United States are unintended and about half of unintended pregnancies are to women who use contraception.
China suicides show the terrible toll that stress can take
For some, work can resemble a living hell - and this is true in the west as well as in China
* Stephen Bevan
* The Guardian, Saturday 29 May 2010
The shocking and tragic statistic of 10 suicides from one (admittedly large) factory in China since January reminds us that, for some, work can resemble a living hell. This is embarrassing for the factory owners, the Chinese authorities and the western multinationals who have been using China's Foxconn to make their gadgets. As we await the investigation at France Telecom, where there was a recent spate of suicides, does this have any relevance for UK workplaces and UK employers?
The UK workplace may not be as tough as it was 150 years ago at the height of the Industrial Revolution when England's mills and factories were the scenes of unmitigated misery and stress. Yet the Work Foundation's research shows that increasing numbers of people have been reporting work strain, considering themselves oppressed by mediocre management, the need for higher levels of skills and unsympathetic customers. Nor do these findings pertain to the so-called Anglo-Saxon economies. Across Europe workers report the same things. Workplace stress is as much alive today in the west as it is in the east.
People at work who suffer with stress are more prone to heart disease and hypertension. They are more susceptible to depressive illnesses and anxiety. And people with existing physical conditions, such as back pain, or chronic diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, are more likely to find it difficult to stay in, or return to, work.
Of course the way pressure affects people differs between individuals. What some find stressful, others find energising, so it isn't possible to generalise about the causes or cures for stress. However, people who work in jobs they enjoy, where they have high levels of autonomy or control over the order and pace of their work and who are working in a supportive environment tend to be less at risk from work-related stress. If they feel stressed it is important that they do not "bottle" it up but find somebody – inside or outside work – who they can talk to about how they feel and what is at the root of their problem. Employee Assistance Programmes (EAP) offer such advice and help.
Line managers also need to be trained to spot the early signs of anxiety or poor coping among their staff and then refer people to HR or to an occupational health specialist.
Only a minority of cases of stress suffered by workers are solely caused by work itself. More often, domestic, financial or other health issues are the primary cause, with pressure at work being the last straw. Being able to integrate work with life is thus a key determinant of how much work stress people will experience.
Many employers now recognise that staff who feel able to balance the demands of work and home are more engaged, productive and motivated.
Absenteeism costs the UK economy 50 times more than strikes. Much of this is long term and much of that is due to stress. Yet a report we published last month shows that "sickness presence" could be costing the UK more than sickness absence in lost productivity. It does not pay to create a workplace environment where colleagues who are ill feel compelled to come in and work. No matter how high productivity rates in any factory, there can't be a higher cost of stress than suicide.
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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Dude, you are so far out of touch with some people's reality that it's scary. Go ahead and speak from experience if you think this is a valid form of data, but then you must give credence to my experience as well. Also, you have not answered ANY of my questions! For instance, you keep saying you know about income requirements for welfare, yet you refuse to actual tell us exactly what they are. If you know so much, then go ahead and educate us! You didn't even answer my question where I asked you to define what you mean by "welfare". Or the one where I asked you to define what you mean by your suggestions about adoption being the way to solve this problem. And, not to be mean, but I can't help but point out that so many people around here talk shit about others' lack of education when they themselves demonstate a lack of real education as well!
:? No one has disagreed with you on that.
I do realize that and on that point, I am agreeing with you :!: The mistake you're making is that you say something may true for a segment of a population (e.g. the blacks in neighborhoods where you live don't value education) and insist it reflects THE population (e.g. blacks don't value education). It's the same as "most spousal abuse is comitted by men, therefore men are spousal abusers." Don't you see that cultural attitudes suggesting that all men are spousal abusers are offensive to those men, like you (I assume) who are not abusive? If you were a statistician, you'd be fired on your first day of work.
How about if you do not want kids do not have sex. Easy enough. Oh wait that is just too stupid of a concept. If you try heroin there is a good chance you will be hooked for life. If you have unprotected sex there is a good chance you can either become pregnant or get a disease. Is it 100% that you will not get pregnant using a condom no, but you have better odds. Oh wait I forgot everything is the mans fault. :roll:.
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Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Allowing people to have such harmful attitudes towards minorities only perpetuates the problem. They must be stopped!
Have you ever gotten laid in your life? Were you intending to procreate every time? Are you married? Do you think your wife should never have sex with you again unless you both want children at that time? :roll:
And no one is is denying racisim exists, I said it is easy to succeed as a minority, and I believe that to be true.
But racisim exists both ways. SOme of you act as if its is a one way street.
SCB I will answer your post when i get some more time.
Is this one of those times when you forgot to use the quote button?
Thanks.
Here we go, I have a daughter who was about 11 months when my wife became pregnant. Unexpected yes but we are married and work pretty decent jobs. Before we were married we had sex and used protection so we did not have children. It is not a hard concept to grasp there is a possibility to have kids everytime you have sex, so if you do not want kids either do not have sex or use protection. And to answer your last question we use a condom everytime we have sex now because a two year old and a 6 month old is all we want right now.
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And you think you're being 100% responsible by using one of the least effective methods of contraception?? I believe you and I have been over this before, but contraception fails. You seem to know this because your initial post said if you don't want kids you shouldn't have sex - though now you admit that you don't follow your own advice. Guess it's not "easy enough" after all.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
While I would love to have a conversation about contraceptive failure rates, which are much higher than most people realize, that wasn't really my point. My point was that it's because he knows that contraception fails that he initially said people who don't want kids right then shouldn't have sex at all - but he doesn't practice what he preaches. I just think it's doubly ironic that it's a relatively shitty method of birth control that he thinks should make him (but not others) exempt from his original assertion of what people should be doing.
I'm not in any way suggesting that contraception isn't worth using, by the way. But I do think it's significant to this discussion that approximately half of pregnancies in the United States are unintended and about half of unintended pregnancies are to women who use contraception.
Yeah, sure:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... phen-bevan
China suicides show the terrible toll that stress can take
For some, work can resemble a living hell - and this is true in the west as well as in China
* Stephen Bevan
* The Guardian, Saturday 29 May 2010
The shocking and tragic statistic of 10 suicides from one (admittedly large) factory in China since January reminds us that, for some, work can resemble a living hell. This is embarrassing for the factory owners, the Chinese authorities and the western multinationals who have been using China's Foxconn to make their gadgets. As we await the investigation at France Telecom, where there was a recent spate of suicides, does this have any relevance for UK workplaces and UK employers?
The UK workplace may not be as tough as it was 150 years ago at the height of the Industrial Revolution when England's mills and factories were the scenes of unmitigated misery and stress. Yet the Work Foundation's research shows that increasing numbers of people have been reporting work strain, considering themselves oppressed by mediocre management, the need for higher levels of skills and unsympathetic customers. Nor do these findings pertain to the so-called Anglo-Saxon economies. Across Europe workers report the same things. Workplace stress is as much alive today in the west as it is in the east.
People at work who suffer with stress are more prone to heart disease and hypertension. They are more susceptible to depressive illnesses and anxiety. And people with existing physical conditions, such as back pain, or chronic diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, are more likely to find it difficult to stay in, or return to, work.
Of course the way pressure affects people differs between individuals. What some find stressful, others find energising, so it isn't possible to generalise about the causes or cures for stress. However, people who work in jobs they enjoy, where they have high levels of autonomy or control over the order and pace of their work and who are working in a supportive environment tend to be less at risk from work-related stress. If they feel stressed it is important that they do not "bottle" it up but find somebody – inside or outside work – who they can talk to about how they feel and what is at the root of their problem. Employee Assistance Programmes (EAP) offer such advice and help.
Line managers also need to be trained to spot the early signs of anxiety or poor coping among their staff and then refer people to HR or to an occupational health specialist.
Only a minority of cases of stress suffered by workers are solely caused by work itself. More often, domestic, financial or other health issues are the primary cause, with pressure at work being the last straw. Being able to integrate work with life is thus a key determinant of how much work stress people will experience.
Many employers now recognise that staff who feel able to balance the demands of work and home are more engaged, productive and motivated.
Absenteeism costs the UK economy 50 times more than strikes. Much of this is long term and much of that is due to stress. Yet a report we published last month shows that "sickness presence" could be costing the UK more than sickness absence in lost productivity. It does not pay to create a workplace environment where colleagues who are ill feel compelled to come in and work. No matter how high productivity rates in any factory, there can't be a higher cost of stress than suicide.
it is how it has to be for their system to work
almost all the people in the world
working all day long
only to make just enough money
to need help to survive
and everyday we do it again
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