Whites Five Times Richer Than Blacks In U.S

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HeidiJam wrote:

My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce

So you're pro-abortion then?

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ed243421 wrote:

racists that hate
and
racists that are ignorant

I don't know who you are, but I like you. :thumbup:

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acoustic guy wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Great point....I hate it that what you said will labeled racist on this forum. But its not. Disagreeing with a minority situation does not make you racist.

Great, then maybe you can explain this?:

'The report attributes part of the cause to the "powerful role of persistent discrimination in housing, credit and labour markets. African-Americans and Hispanics were at least twice as likely to receive high-cost home mortgages as whites with similar incomes," the report says.'

And why do you think that is??? Does it say that?? No? Well why??? If its true which it probably is....why are they being discriminatory??? Dont you think their must be a pretty good business decision on the matter? OR...do you think its one big conspiracy to keep the Blacks and Hispanics down?? :roll:
Thank God The term "black" was used in the OP's title....I would have been burned at the stake by now.

Did you really just say that discrimination is good business policy??

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HeidiJam wrote:

I did not make it up, no reason to... you can probably look it up if you'd like. I guess you are saying that welfare money is not abused?
I am losing some patience with some of you. For every question you ask why is this? There is a very simple reason. And racism goes boths ways, and I would be wiling to bet anything that reverse racisim is much more of an issue today. All my points come from the truth not racisim.
Minorities have it very easy today, there is alot that goes into getting loans, such as credit, collertal, etc.

You guys are trying to find some abstract reason to find racisim in everything that dosent go a minorties way.
I am amused that you guys think its fair what the gov gives. For how hard I assume some of you work don't you think its ridiculous that YOU have to pay for what they recieve as handouts.

Conclusion - They like being taken care of and the gov(you) footing the bill. Next time you guys are out go ahead and drive through the inner city and tell me what you see, I drive through Over the Rhine (cincinnati) every morning and through the West Side (Price HIll) and i see houses with no windows, 3 year olds out at 11pm and... cars with rims, very nice cloathing and jewlery.

Like I said put very strict rules on welfare and you will see alot of improvements in personal responsibility.

aerial, is that you??

Do you have actual factual data about the rate at which welfare money is abused, 3-year-olds are out at 11 PM, etc.?

And did you REALLY just say, "Minorities have it very easy today"?? Will you please explain to me exactly how Native Americans have it easy today? Thank you.

mikepegg44

Byrnzie wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames.

Do you have any evidence of this? Did someone follow these people to the Walmart and note down what they bought and with what money they paid for it? Sounds like just more racist bullshit to me.

why is it racist? I don't get the idea that the poster hates minorities at all.

I can tell you that in MN the EBT program has two parts. One that can be spent on food and one that is cash benefits. Each person can take that cash out and spend it on whatever they like. that is what makes it so hard to point to statistics that show the abuses. If you could track them all they wouldn't happen. That is where the cash comes in. I don't know if all states are the same way, but it is an issue in MN. I know from experience with the population that uses these services that the money is not being spent on necessities by all. But the abuse is not limited to African Americans at all, poor whites are just as guilty of the abuse. It is a welfare issue, not a color issue

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

Do you have actual factual data about the rate at which welfare money is abused, 3-year-olds are out at 11 PM, etc.?

Well, I know this isn't addressed to me, but I think if you had ever actually had to drive through an area (or walk through) like Over the Rhine you wouldn't be questioning and asking for "factual data" about young kids being out WAY TOO late and left with not much older kids...no parent around.

Now, is that because the parent is working 2 jobs, etc? Maybe. But the sheer volumn of kids of all ages that are left to roam the streets very late at night in OTR at least is ridiculous beyond belief. And really, I've walked up Vine street in Cincy after a night baseball game a few times and I would never do that again. Talk about racism.

I think it'd be better to try and stick to other topics regarding this situation.

Blockhead

aerial, is that you??

Do you have actual factual data about the rate at which welfare money is abused, 3-year-olds are out at 11 PM, etc.?

And did you REALLY just say, "Minorities have it very easy today"?? Will you please explain to me exactly how Native Americans have it easy today? Thank you.

Nope no aerial here...
I don't know that there is any factual data describing ages and what time of night they are out to. If you have to drvie through an area like i do on a daily basis to get home, such as cincybearcat said there is no disputing how young some of these children are and how late they are out with no supervision. This is not new or suprising and is pretty humurous that you would question it.
As far as welfare money being abused, I will take that as a sracastic question. You can tell its being abused simply by looking at the conditions of where they live in the inner city compared to their cloathing and cars.

Yes minorities do have it very easy today, we actually bend over backwards to do everyting in our power to give them everything we work for. Its funny how I am being called a racisist by people when all the things I am pointing out are as plain as day. I don't know much about Natives I do know they get some benefits if they are recognized as a tribe and reservations have their own GOV. They set the taxes, and the justice system. Beyond that I am not sure of anything else to my knowledge, I am ignorant to that subject. But I will say that NA are not the issue here, we are talking about why certin monirties can not progress and their reasons.

ALso my solution on welfare about not letting them reproduce was not suggesting abortion, It was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that, you are on your own now to raise your family and be a parent.

This has been a fun debate, but please with calling me a racist, I am far from it. I am glad to see that people in here that have actually experience what I am talking about are sticking up for me.

dasvidana

HeidiJam wrote:

I did not make it up, no reason to... you can probably look it up if you'd like. I guess you are saying that welfare money is not abused?
I am losing some patience with some of you. For every question you ask why is this? There is a very simple reason. And racism goes boths ways, and I would be wiling to bet anything that reverse racisim is much more of an issue today. All my points come from the truth not racisim.
Minorities have it very easy today, there is alot that goes into getting loans, such as credit, collertal, etc.

You guys are trying to find some abstract reason to find racisim in everything that dosent go a minorties way.
I am amused that you guys think its fair what the gov gives. For how hard I assume some of you work don't you think its ridiculous that YOU have to pay for what they recieve as handouts.

Conclusion - They like being taken care of and the gov(you) footing the bill. Next time you guys are out go ahead and drive through the inner city and tell me what you see, I drive through Over the Rhine (cincinnati) every morning and through the West Side (Price HIll) and i see houses with no windows, 3 year olds out at 11pm and... cars with rims, very nice cloathing and jewlery.

Like I said put very strict rules on welfare and you will see alot of improvements in personal responsibility.

I am amazed at the conclusions you have drawn. Your comments are narrow-minded and ethnocentric and frankly racist. I suggest you sign up for some sociology classes. By the way, if those on welfare shouldn't reproduce, then there would be no families among corporate America since corporations receive much more government subsidies than any minority ethnic group.

Blockhead

dasvidana wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I did not make it up, no reason to... you can probably look it up if you'd like. I guess you are saying that welfare money is not abused?
I am losing some patience with some of you. For every question you ask why is this? There is a very simple reason. And racism goes boths ways, and I would be wiling to bet anything that reverse racisim is much more of an issue today. All my points come from the truth not racisim.
Minorities have it very easy today, there is alot that goes into getting loans, such as credit, collertal, etc.

You guys are trying to find some abstract reason to find racisim in everything that dosent go a minorties way.
I am amused that you guys think its fair what the gov gives. For how hard I assume some of you work don't you think its ridiculous that YOU have to pay for what they recieve as handouts.

Conclusion - They like being taken care of and the gov(you) footing the bill. Next time you guys are out go ahead and drive through the inner city and tell me what you see, I drive through Over the Rhine (cincinnati) every morning and through the West Side (Price HIll) and i see houses with no windows, 3 year olds out at 11pm and... cars with rims, very nice cloathing and jewlery.

Like I said put very strict rules on welfare and you will see alot of improvements in personal responsibility.

I am amazed at the conclusions you have drawn. Your comments are narrow-minded and ethnocentric and frankly racist. I suggest you sign up for some sociology classes. By the way, if those on welfare shouldn't reproduce, then there would be no families among corporate America since corporations receive much more government subsidies than any minority ethnic group.

Last I checked American Corporations contribute to American and Society. A single parent of 6 (paid for by the GOV/ you) does not contribute to America or Society. Please explain why I am a racisit and what i have said is false and please explain why i need to take some sociology classes.

dasvidana

Last I checked American Corporations contribute to American and Society. A single parent of 6 (paid for by the GOV/ you) does not contribute to America or Society. Please explain why I am a racisit and what i have said is false and please explain why i need to take some sociology classes.[/quote]
I think you need to take sociology classes because perception does not = reality. Just because you perceive something to be true doesn't make it so. The broad generalizations you made in your prior comments reflect racism because you state, among other things, that they like being taken care of, a statement you cannot back up with anything objective other than your narrow perception. How do you know that a single parent of 6 doesn't contribute? You don't have any evidence to make that kind of a statement. And American corporations-they are amoral, but that should be the subject of another thread. If you think that ethnic minorities have it easy and things handed to them in America, I suggest you watch the presentation by Greg Palast and RFK Jr. at the link below. Knowing that ethnic minorities were exponentially more likely to have their votes thrown out in the 2000 and 2004 elections suggests that things are far from being equal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9QWpCWbbY

Blockhead

I think you need to take sociology classes because perception does not = reality. Just because you perceive something to be true doesn't make it so. The broad generalizations you made in your prior comments reflect racism because you state, among other things, that they like being taken care of, a statement you cannot back up with anything objective other than your narrow perception. How do you know that a single parent of 6 doesn't contribute? You don't have any evidence to make that kind of a statement. And American corporations-they are amoral, but that should be the subject of another thread. If you think that ethnic minorities have it easy and things handed to them in America, I suggest you watch the presentation by Greg Palast and RFK Jr. at the link below. Knowing that ethnic minorities were exponentially more likely to have their votes thrown out in the 2000 and 2004 elections suggests that things are far from being equal.

Actions/patterns = reality and neither of those are progressing especially in the inner city. None of my comments reflect racisim, my statement about them liking being taken care of seems to be backed up quite signifigantly, Blacks make up 14% of the population in the US and 40% is on welfare. How do i know a single mother of 6 does not contribute. Well maybe beacuse of the prision statistics of minorties with single parents. American corporations are not perfect and never claimed to be, I said they contribute such as providing products and jobs for americans. I can't watch the video right now as i am at work. I will watch later and respond. But I would say that we are beyond equal now and that privliges tilt in favor of minorites especially when a free education is just a race box check away.

gimmesometruth27

HeidiJam wrote:

I think you need to take sociology classes because perception does not = reality. Just because you perceive something to be true doesn't make it so. The broad generalizations you made in your prior comments reflect racism because you state, among other things, that they like being taken care of, a statement you cannot back up with anything objective other than your narrow perception. How do you know that a single parent of 6 doesn't contribute? You don't have any evidence to make that kind of a statement. And American corporations-they are amoral, but that should be the subject of another thread. If you think that ethnic minorities have it easy and things handed to them in America, I suggest you watch the presentation by Greg Palast and RFK Jr. at the link below. Knowing that ethnic minorities were exponentially more likely to have their votes thrown out in the 2000 and 2004 elections suggests that things are far from being equal.

Actions/patterns = reality and neither of those are progressing especially in the inner city. None of my comments reflect racisim, my statement about them liking being taken care of seems to be backed up quite signifigantly, Blacks make up 14% of the population in the US and 40% is on welfare. How do i know a single mother of 6 does not contribute. Well maybe beacuse of the prision statistics of minorties with single parents. American corporations are not perfect and never claimed to be, I said they contribute such as providing products and jobs for americans. I can't watch the video right now as i am at work. I will watch later and respond. But I would say that we are beyond equal now and that privliges tilt in favor of minorites especially when a free education is just a race box check away.

really???? they provide jobs for americans? most corporations have shipped their production overseas, thus taking jobs away from american workers. they also moved their headquarters to other countries so they avoid paying US taxes.

also, where do you see free education for minorities??? there are grants and loans that we all can qualify for. i don't see the federal gov't giving away free educations based on race to whoever wants one...

Eliot Rosewater

HeidiJam wrote:

Minorities have it very easy today

There comes a point when you're so far gone that just stop typing. I think you've reached that point.

Eliot Rosewater

HeidiJam wrote:

Yes minorities do have it very easy today,

I am ignorant to that subject.

Finally making sense to me.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

really???? they provide jobs for americans? most corporations have shipped their production overseas, thus taking jobs away from american workers. they also moved their headquarters to other countries so they avoid paying US taxes.

Are you being serious? Sure some jobs have gone overseas but to say they don't provide a large number of americans with jobs is pretty dumb.

Pepe Silvia

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

also, where do you see free education for minorities??? there are grants and loans that we all can qualify for. i don't see the federal gov't giving away free educations based on race to whoever wants one...

obviously you've never seen 'soul man'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZFTSCLzGTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtsvIpJ ... re=related

Blockhead

really???? they provide jobs for americans? most corporations have shipped their production overseas, thus taking jobs away from american workers. they also moved their headquarters to other countries so they avoid paying US taxes.

also, where do you see free education for minorities??? there are grants and loans that we all can qualify for. i don't see the federal gov't giving away free educations based on race to whoever wants one...

Were not here to argue about corporations. Find me that stats of all US coprorations and how many are overseas, until then YES they do provide products and jobs for americans. They DO contribute to society.
Please read the link below about education and shut up.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/educatio ... dents.html

excerpt from article "Translating the advantages into SAT scores, study author Thomas Espenshade, a Princeton sociologist, calculated that African-Americans who achieved 1150 scores on the two original SAT tests had the same chances of getting accepted to top private colleges in 1997 as whites who scored 1460s and Asians who scored perfect 1600s."
So yes they do have it easy. When i say that, I say that in terms of being able to succeed and progress. Life in general is not easy, but when you are given all the tools and complain and cry for more and more there is no excuse.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

really???? they provide jobs for americans? most corporations have shipped their production overseas, thus taking jobs away from american workers. they also moved their headquarters to other countries so they avoid paying US taxes.

Are you being serious? Sure some jobs have gone overseas but to say they don't provide a large number of americans with jobs is pretty dumb.

in an economic environment with an unemployment rate near 10% and record corporate profits, to discount the amount of jobs lost by taking corporations overseas is pretty fucking dumb.

Pepe Silvia

HeidiJam wrote:

really???? they provide jobs for americans? most corporations have shipped their production overseas, thus taking jobs away from american workers. they also moved their headquarters to other countries so they avoid paying US taxes.

also, where do you see free education for minorities??? there are grants and loans that we all can qualify for. i don't see the federal gov't giving away free educations based on race to whoever wants one...

Were not here to argue about corporations. Find me that stats of all US coprorations and how many are overseas, until then YES they do provide products and jobs for americans. They DO contribute to society.
Please read the link below about education and shut up.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/educatio ... dents.html

excerpt from article "Translating the advantages into SAT scores, study author Thomas Espenshade, a Princeton sociologist, calculated that African-Americans who achieved 1150 scores on the two original SAT tests had the same chances of getting accepted to top private colleges in 1997 as whites who scored 1460s and Asians who scored perfect 1600s."
So yes they do have it easy. When i say that, I say that in terms of being able to succeed and progress. Life in general is not easy, but when you are given all the tools and complain and cry for more and more there is no excuse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/busin ... .html?_r=3
2 out of every 3 US corporations didn't pay taxes from 98-05

Two out of every three United States corporations paid no federal income taxes from 1998 through 2005, according to a report released Tuesday by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

gimmesometruth27

HeidiJam wrote:

Were not here to argue about corporations. Find me that stats of all US coprorations and how many are overseas, until then YES they do provide products and jobs for americans. They DO contribute to society.
Please read the link below about education and shut up.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/educatio ... dents.html

excerpt from article "Translating the advantages into SAT scores, study author Thomas Espenshade, a Princeton sociologist, calculated that African-Americans who achieved 1150 scores on the two original SAT tests had the same chances of getting accepted to top private colleges in 1997 as whites who scored 1460s and Asians who scored perfect 1600s."
So yes they do have it easy. When i say that, I say that in terms of being able to succeed and progress. Life in general is not easy, but when you are given all the tools and complain and cry for more and more there is no excuse.

so are you the one framing the debate here? for you to say minorities have it easy makes me think you are either very young, very naieve', or very callous...you have no idea.. not all of them are given those opportunities and you know it.