A single parent of 6 (paid for by the GOV/ you) does not contribute to America or Society.
People contribute to society in many more ways than just monetary ones. It's a shame that all we can see is $$.
I wasn't even talking about monetary - Can you please give me an example of what they contribute?
You were suggesting that people on welfare take more from society than they give, right? How exactly do you mean to say they do that that is not related to money?
If you really don't understand the value of human beings in this society, I'm not sure I can help you. :?
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
Have I left anything out?
if you can condense 13 pages down into 8 lines you should be writing cliff's notes books. nice job!
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
4. Sorry, I thought when you said we shouldn't "let them reproduce" you meant we should actually keep them from reproducing. So if you're not saying we should keep "them" from reproducing, but just that we shouldn't provide assistance to the children of "these" people, I would like to know more about how you would like to see that play out. Are you saying we shouldn't provide for healthcare for children or for pregnancy? Are you saying we shouldn't provide social programs for children, like after school programs, etc.? Are you saying we shouldn't provide education or libraries for these children? Are you saying we should leave the children of "these" people to live on the streets and go hungry?
Or lets let it continue to play out how it is with no consequences for their actions. That seems to be going well for the poor don't you thin?
Parents should provide healtcare for children. That is their responsibility, if you don't have any as a parent, guess what don't have any kids. That seems pretty simple to me. If I don't have the money to buy something, i don't buy it... I guess you are for letting my buy and it you will end up paying for it???
Why would I not want social programs, what does this have to do with reproduction of welfare parents?
We most certinly should provide education and libraries for children, not just poor ones.
No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids. There are plenty of parents out there that can not have kids that would love to take care of a child.
So let me get this straight - Your solution is to let people do whatever they want (have kids they can't pay for)and have everyone else foot the bill and your ok with that?
I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.
So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:
A. Prevent childbirth?
B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?
Or, I guess it could be...
C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?
I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.
I think we have to be careful to not confuse not having time, money, health, etc. to do things with your kids with not caring.
Thank you for proving my poing again. You continually make excuses for them with out any knowlege of what the real issue is.
I have no idea what this means or why you suggest that I have no knowledge of what the REAL issue is. I would suggest that you are the one with no idea of what the real issue is, and no desire to learn. Or at least that you don't have any greater fund of knowledge than the rest of us.
I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.
So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:
A. Prevent childbirth?
B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?
Or, I guess it could be...
C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?
I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.
You don't get it. Why do you assume its ok to have kids when the GOV is paying for you to live?
Once you answer that questions then I think we can discuss. If the Gov is paying for you to live, why add a child into the the situation when you can't even pay for your self to live. That is my point of this whole arguement. They are going to have to learn at some point in time to take responsibilitiy for their actions. Giving free free rides does not solve anything. How do you not understand that.
I think we have to be careful to not confuse not having time, money, health, etc. to do things with your kids with not caring.
Thank you for proving my poing again. You continually make excuses for them with out any knowlege of what the real issue is.
I have no idea what this means or why you suggest that I have no knowledge of what the REAL issue is. I would suggest that you are the one with no idea of what the real issue is, and no desire to learn. Or at least that you don't have any greater fund of knowledge than the rest of us.
It means your making excuses for situations that you have no idea about. "If they can't teach their kids a sport its probably because they don't have money, or time or health" Why do you come to that conclusion. What about welfare shows how hard they work. If you make a small ammount of money you actually don't qualify for welfare so that shows right there that they are willing to except less money for no work, than more money and work. I have a very good idea of the issue as i see evidence of it everyday, Cincinnati and the surrounding areas have gone downhill since i have lived their there is no progression. maybe not insult my knowlege and lets hear your idea on how to fix the situation. Let me guess more handouts?
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
Have I left anything out?
6. Small sample sizes aren't usually generalizable.
I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.
So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:
A. Prevent childbirth?
B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?
Or, I guess it could be...
C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?
I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.
You don't get it. Why do you assume its ok to have kids when the GOV is paying for you to live?
Once you answer that questions then I think we can discuss. If the Gov is paying for you to live, why add a child into the the situation when you can't even pay for your self to live. That is my point of this whole arguement. They are going to have to learn at some point in time to take responsibilitiy for their actions. Giving free free rides does not solve anything. How do you not understand that.
I never said it's a good idea to have kids when you are utilizing public assistance. (So can we discuss now?)
I'm just trying to acknowledge reality here.
Reality #1: 1 out of every 2 pregnancies in the United States is accidental. So you don't have to decide to have a kid or think it's a good idea or whatever in order to get pregnant. Pregnancy happens. You can't just say it "shouldn't". That's life. (If you have a problem with this, I would like to know what concrete things you are going to do to actually decrease unintended pregnancy rates.)
Reality #2: When pregnancy does occur, there are a limited number of things that can happen:
A. The pregnancy can be terminated.
B. The pregnancy can be continued but the baby placed for adoption.
C. The pregnancy can be continued, the baby can be kept, and the government can refuse any assistance that it necessary for the wellbeing of the child.
D. The pregnancy can be continued, the baby can be kept, and the government can provide necessary assistance for the wellbeing of the child.
IN REALITY, these are the only options. So which one are you advocating for and how do you think your plan should be implemented/enforced?
Parenting is the Key here, Education system could be better but that is not the problem, Actually physically going to school is the problem. Taking your son out of school to get the new Jordan's that hit the street at footlocker does nothing but reinforce their thought process that school is not important and having nice clothes and cars are. Living off welfare and foodstamp will never teach anyone how to manage money and gain welth. When you have generations living off welfare and foodstamps then the problem continues to expand.
Spend time with your kids, know what they are doing and who their friends are, and continually to ask them questions about school and challenge their mind.
This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on these message boards.
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
Have I left anything out?
You left out the following:
racial discrimination = good business
Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes
Poor people & ethnic minorities don't care about education
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late
Racism is a thing of the past
I would like to see a stat on the accidental birth rate. Not that i don't belive you, I have just never heard that before.
The best way to not have unexpected pregnancies is by safe sex, birth control, and to teach kids about it, not to sugar coat it how they do things today. Instead of treating sex like it does not happend,in school they need to explain to kids how realistic it is. This could help.
As far as reality #2. Put the child in the best possible care it can recieve. If the parents can't afford a child then someone else needs to take care of the child, there should be visitation if the bio parents want that, but it is extremely unfair for a child to grow up to live a life where they have to take care of their parents and live a life with no promise or taught any responsibility.
these are just my opinions, I am not saying they are right or perfect, but this is how i see fixing a problem that seems to have no end.
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
Have I left anything out?
You left out the following:
racial discrimination = good business
Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes
Poor people & ethnic minorities don't care about education
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late
Racism is a thing of the past
Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes - why do you insist that poor people should be able to do what everyone else does and not have any responsibility?
poor people and ethnic minorities don't care about education - There seems to be overwhelming evidence for this.
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late - i guess you see nothing wrong with that.
Thank you for proving my poing again. You continually make excuses for them with out any knowlege of what the real issue is.
I have no idea what this means or why you suggest that I have no knowledge of what the REAL issue is. I would suggest that you are the one with no idea of what the real issue is, and no desire to learn. Or at least that you don't have any greater fund of knowledge than the rest of us.
It means your making excuses for situations that you have no idea about. "If they can't teach their kids a sport its probably because they don't have money, or time or health" Why do you come to that conclusion. What about welfare shows how hard they work. If you make a small ammount of money you actually don't qualify for welfare so that shows right there that they are willing to except less money for no work, than more money and work. I have a very good idea of the issue as i see evidence of it everyday, Cincinnati and the surrounding areas have gone downhill since i have lived their there is no progression. maybe not insult my knowlege and lets hear your idea on how to fix the situation. Let me guess more handouts?
First of all, you're the one who insulted my knowledge and are still doing so. You really have absolutely NO IDEA what I know about. Again, how can you possibly think it's reasonable to make such assumptions about other people??
Secondly, it's just amazing to me that you could make another blanket judgement like "they are willing to except less money for no work, than more money and work". Do you know every single one of these people of whom you speak, and their personal circumstances? Or are you a welfare determiner? Are you a job placement person? Do you coordinate the work vs. welfare decisions of everyone?? You say you see evidence of it every day, but what does this really mean? That you work on the front lines of the issue? Or that you drive past a poor neighborhood on your way to work? Again, your general anecdotal "evidence" holds little weight. I'm sure for every person you know who is on welfare who is lazy and uncaring, I know one who is hard-working and caring. So where does that get us?
And, since you're so knowledgeable about it, please educate me about the exact welfare regulations that you think prove your point. What exactly are you referring to as welfare? Just food stamps? Medicaid? And what exactly is the income requirement to qualify for each component of welfare? And how is this calculated? If you think you have some knowledge that I'm lacking that proves your point, please enlighten me (with sources).
Third, please don't misquote me. You can see exactly what I said in the post you quoted, so no need to alter it in your narrative.
Fourth, you asked how I can to the conclusions in my post: It's a proven fact that poorer people and people of color have poorer health on a population level that white or wealthier people in this country. Hence my suggestion that some people may not teach their children softball because of poor health rather than lack of caring. It's a mathematical fact that people who make less money must work longer hours for the same pay as people who make more money. Hence my suggestion that some people may not teach their children softball because of lack of time rather than lack of caring. And it 's just a logical fact that poorer people (and communities) have less money than people who are wealthier. And we all know that softball equipment, fields, etc. require some amount of disposable income. Hence my suggestion that some people may not teach their kids softball because of lack of money rather than lack of caring.
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
Have I left anything out?
You left out the following:
racial discrimination = good business
Poor people shouldn't have children or HAVE nice clothes
Poor people & ethnic minorities don't care about education
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late
Racism is a thing of the past
Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes - why do you insist that poor people should be able to do what everyone else does and not have any responsibility?
poor people and ethnic minorities don't care about education - There seems to be overwhelming evidence for this.
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late - i guess you see nothing wrong with that.
I'm not even gonna bother trying to argue with your position here, as I reckon it'll be like pissing in the wind, or like trying to have a reasoned debate with a fundamentalist Christian - or just a mentalist.
Anyway, good luck with that attitude. I'm sure it'll benefit you immensely in life.
Heidijam, you see the 'quote' button above everyone's posts? You should click on it sometime. It's there for a reason.
Absolutely. I've been trying to catch up on the last two pages and it is fucking unreadable. I've got no idea who is saying what. I keep thinking Heidijam has come around
But then I realize he/she is actually reposting someone else's shit but not quoting.
It will help you understand the basis for my feelings on this subject and maybe it will help you understand why minorities in fact DON'T have it very easy today in America.
I'd also like to know how you feel about women's rights and try to explain why men make more money than women in America.
As for Women's rights, Its probably best to start a new thread but I would love to give you my input. And I think i can explain what you are asking.
Heidi, my point is that humans have proven to be slow learners in regards to tolerance and equality. I'm not trying to steer off track by asking your opinion on women's rights and why they make less in America. I believe it is extremely relevant. Women, while having the numbers of a majority, have been treated similar to minorities when it comes to civil rights.
If you can't wrap your head around how difficult it is to get past oppression and bigotry towards blacks then I thought it might help to relate that to women. I think it is especially relevant since the topic of this thread has to do with money. If you can admit that women are still making less than men because they were oppressed then I thought we could gain a little ground here.
It will help you understand the basis for my feelings on this subject and maybe it will help you understand why minorities in fact DON'T have it very easy today in America.
I'd also like to know how you feel about women's rights and try to explain why men make more money than women in America.
As for Women's rights, Its probably best to start a new thread but I would love to give you my input. And I think i can explain what you are asking.
Heidi, my point is that humans have proven to be slow learners in regards to tolerance and equality. I'm not trying to steer off track by asking your opinion on women's rights and why they make less in America. I believe it is extremely relevant. Women, while having the numbers of a majority, have been treated similar to minorities when it comes to civil rights.
If you can't wrap your head around how difficult it is to get past oppression and bigotry towards blacks then I thought it might help to relate that to women. I think it is especially relevant since the topic of this thread has to do with money. If you can admit that women are still making less than men because they were oppressed then I thought we could gain a little ground here.
I get that it is difficult to get past oppression and bigotry but... there has not been any noticible progress to those who have no experience (the black youth). Check the other thread on women for my comments on that. Bur i don't think women making less has everything to do with women's rights. I think alot has to do with what their profession is.
I get that it is difficult to get past oppression and bigotry but... there has not been any noticible progress to those who have no experience (the black youth). Check the other thread on women for my comments on that. Bur i don't think women making less has everything to do with women's rights. I think alot has to do with what their profession is.
I think you're missing the connection here. Many women, particularly the younger generation (akin to black youth) in the workforce have not been directly oppressed by legislation such as no right to vote etc. but still make much less than men FOR THE SAME JOBS. Yes, some women choose professions that pay less than those that an average man may choose. But I'm not referring to those cases. I'm talking apples and apples here.
As I've said, one problem is that humans are terribly slow learners in regards to tolerance and equality. Many have deeply engraved beliefs that people with different skin color, gender, sexual preference, etc. are NOT EQUAL. While there has been improvement in recent years, it is CLEAR to any reasonable mind that the affects of such oppression are very long-lasting.
It's not just about the legalities of the discrimination. Yes, slavery no longer exists. Yes, blacks can vote. Yes, blacks can own property. Yes, blacks can be presidents. Definitely progress. And changing the laws to force people to legally treat others better was where it needed to begin. But racism, and income disparity will exist in this country until people change their ATTITUDES towards others.
For those of you playing that education card and dismissing my point on how they have to actually go to school to learn.
Please read the following link especiall item 2. http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/1 ... index.html
from the article "the United States is a world leader in education investment. However, nations that spend far less achieve higher levels of student performance."
Looking like funding schools is not the issue, its performance.
Comments
You were suggesting that people on welfare take more from society than they give, right? How exactly do you mean to say they do that that is not related to money?
If you really don't understand the value of human beings in this society, I'm not sure I can help you. :?
How long does the white man need to help out the black man to make up for past injustices?
I believe the burden is on both groups, but the former victimizers can't decide when it is time to stop helping...that is for the victims to decide.
1. Corporations are bad.
2. Racism goes both ways.
3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.
Have I left anything out?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.
So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:
A. Prevent childbirth?
B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?
Or, I guess it could be...
C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?
I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.
I have no idea what this means or why you suggest that I have no knowledge of what the REAL issue is. I would suggest that you are the one with no idea of what the real issue is, and no desire to learn. Or at least that you don't have any greater fund of knowledge than the rest of us.
So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:
A. Prevent childbirth?
B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?
Or, I guess it could be...
C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?
I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.
You don't get it. Why do you assume its ok to have kids when the GOV is paying for you to live?
Once you answer that questions then I think we can discuss. If the Gov is paying for you to live, why add a child into the the situation when you can't even pay for your self to live. That is my point of this whole arguement. They are going to have to learn at some point in time to take responsibilitiy for their actions. Giving free free rides does not solve anything. How do you not understand that.
It means your making excuses for situations that you have no idea about. "If they can't teach their kids a sport its probably because they don't have money, or time or health" Why do you come to that conclusion. What about welfare shows how hard they work. If you make a small ammount of money you actually don't qualify for welfare so that shows right there that they are willing to except less money for no work, than more money and work. I have a very good idea of the issue as i see evidence of it everyday, Cincinnati and the surrounding areas have gone downhill since i have lived their there is no progression. maybe not insult my knowlege and lets hear your idea on how to fix the situation. Let me guess more handouts?
I never said it's a good idea to have kids when you are utilizing public assistance. (So can we discuss now?)
I'm just trying to acknowledge reality here.
Reality #1: 1 out of every 2 pregnancies in the United States is accidental. So you don't have to decide to have a kid or think it's a good idea or whatever in order to get pregnant. Pregnancy happens. You can't just say it "shouldn't". That's life. (If you have a problem with this, I would like to know what concrete things you are going to do to actually decrease unintended pregnancy rates.)
Reality #2: When pregnancy does occur, there are a limited number of things that can happen:
A. The pregnancy can be terminated.
B. The pregnancy can be continued but the baby placed for adoption.
C. The pregnancy can be continued, the baby can be kept, and the government can refuse any assistance that it necessary for the wellbeing of the child.
D. The pregnancy can be continued, the baby can be kept, and the government can provide necessary assistance for the wellbeing of the child.
IN REALITY, these are the only options. So which one are you advocating for and how do you think your plan should be implemented/enforced?
No, that isn't the question.
We're not talking about past injustices, we're talking about current injustices.
You left out the following:
racial discrimination = good business
Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes
Poor people & ethnic minorities don't care about education
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late
Racism is a thing of the past
And a question: Why is your username 'Heidijam' if you're a fella? Heidi is a girls name.
Oh, Byrnzie, we came soooo close on finally agreeing on something!
Maybe next time!
Keep the faith. It may happen one day.
The best way to not have unexpected pregnancies is by safe sex, birth control, and to teach kids about it, not to sugar coat it how they do things today. Instead of treating sex like it does not happend,in school they need to explain to kids how realistic it is. This could help.
As far as reality #2. Put the child in the best possible care it can recieve. If the parents can't afford a child then someone else needs to take care of the child, there should be visitation if the bio parents want that, but it is extremely unfair for a child to grow up to live a life where they have to take care of their parents and live a life with no promise or taught any responsibility.
these are just my opinions, I am not saying they are right or perfect, but this is how i see fixing a problem that seems to have no end.
Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes - why do you insist that poor people should be able to do what everyone else does and not have any responsibility?
poor people and ethnic minorities don't care about education - There seems to be overwhelming evidence for this.
Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late - i guess you see nothing wrong with that.
Heidi is my wife's name - I used it because its the closest i can get her to liking pearl jam.
First of all, you're the one who insulted my knowledge and are still doing so. You really have absolutely NO IDEA what I know about. Again, how can you possibly think it's reasonable to make such assumptions about other people??
Secondly, it's just amazing to me that you could make another blanket judgement like "they are willing to except less money for no work, than more money and work". Do you know every single one of these people of whom you speak, and their personal circumstances? Or are you a welfare determiner? Are you a job placement person? Do you coordinate the work vs. welfare decisions of everyone?? You say you see evidence of it every day, but what does this really mean? That you work on the front lines of the issue? Or that you drive past a poor neighborhood on your way to work? Again, your general anecdotal "evidence" holds little weight. I'm sure for every person you know who is on welfare who is lazy and uncaring, I know one who is hard-working and caring. So where does that get us?
And, since you're so knowledgeable about it, please educate me about the exact welfare regulations that you think prove your point. What exactly are you referring to as welfare? Just food stamps? Medicaid? And what exactly is the income requirement to qualify for each component of welfare? And how is this calculated? If you think you have some knowledge that I'm lacking that proves your point, please enlighten me (with sources).
Third, please don't misquote me. You can see exactly what I said in the post you quoted, so no need to alter it in your narrative.
Fourth, you asked how I can to the conclusions in my post: It's a proven fact that poorer people and people of color have poorer health on a population level that white or wealthier people in this country. Hence my suggestion that some people may not teach their children softball because of poor health rather than lack of caring. It's a mathematical fact that people who make less money must work longer hours for the same pay as people who make more money. Hence my suggestion that some people may not teach their children softball because of lack of time rather than lack of caring. And it 's just a logical fact that poorer people (and communities) have less money than people who are wealthier. And we all know that softball equipment, fields, etc. require some amount of disposable income. Hence my suggestion that some people may not teach their kids softball because of lack of money rather than lack of caring.
Fixed.
I'm not even gonna bother trying to argue with your position here, as I reckon it'll be like pissing in the wind, or like trying to have a reasoned debate with a fundamentalist Christian - or just a mentalist.
Anyway, good luck with that attitude. I'm sure it'll benefit you immensely in life.
Fair enough. And good job with the quote button - it was just becoming a bit irritating trying to separate your posts from the other persons.
But then I realize he/she is actually reposting someone else's shit but not quoting.
If you can't wrap your head around how difficult it is to get past oppression and bigotry towards blacks then I thought it might help to relate that to women. I think it is especially relevant since the topic of this thread has to do with money. If you can admit that women are still making less than men because they were oppressed then I thought we could gain a little ground here.
setting aside who gets to 'decide', I dont think a lot of blacks like the assumption that they need any help at all.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/20/news/ec ... /index.htm
As I've said, one problem is that humans are terribly slow learners in regards to tolerance and equality. Many have deeply engraved beliefs that people with different skin color, gender, sexual preference, etc. are NOT EQUAL. While there has been improvement in recent years, it is CLEAR to any reasonable mind that the affects of such oppression are very long-lasting.
It's not just about the legalities of the discrimination. Yes, slavery no longer exists. Yes, blacks can vote. Yes, blacks can own property. Yes, blacks can be presidents. Definitely progress. And changing the laws to force people to legally treat others better was where it needed to begin. But racism, and income disparity will exist in this country until people change their ATTITUDES towards others.
Please read the following link especiall item 2.
http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/1 ... index.html
from the article "the United States is a world leader in education investment. However, nations that spend far less achieve higher levels of student performance."
Looking like funding schools is not the issue, its performance.