Whites Five Times Richer Than Blacks In U.S

rebornFixer

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.

Yep, we can agree on this point. By the way, this is one of the better discussions of race that I've had on this board.

Blockhead

rebornFixer wrote:

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.

Yep, we can agree on this point. By the way, this is one of the better discussions of race that I've had on this board.

You guys prove my point each and everytime you post. You are making excuses for why they have not succeeded. They are GIVEN every tool to succeeded for FREE and there is still no progress being made. There are no minority youth today that have expierenced slavery or segragation, you would probably have to go up to their grandparents for any kind of experience. When does this excuse end? How long does it take to get over these long term affects?

mikepegg44

HeidiJam wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.

Yep, we can agree on this point. By the way, this is one of the better discussions of race that I've had on this board.

You guys prove my point each and everytime you post. You are making excuses for why they have not succeeded. They are GIVEN every tool to succeeded for FREE and there is still no progress being made. There are no minority youth today that have expierenced slavery or segragation, you would probably have to go up to their grandparents for any kind of experience. When does this excuse end? How long does it take to get over these long term affects?

I don't think anyone knows, but even if people conceded the points you make, it would still lend it self to ask the question of why aren't the opportunities being taken advantage of...I can give a two year old a screwdriver or table saw, but that doesn't mean they know how to use it. Just being given the tools isn't everything.

ed243421

HeidiJam wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.

Yep, we can agree on this point. By the way, this is one of the better discussions of race that I've had on this board.

You guys prove my point each and everytime you post. You are making excuses for why they have not succeeded. They are GIVEN every tool to succeeded for FREE and there is still no progress being made. There are no minority youth today that have expierenced slavery or segragation, you would probably have to go up to their grandparents for any kind of experience. When does this excuse end? How long does it take to get over these long term affects?

what i've just realized is there are-

racists that hate
and
racists that are ignorant

pjhawks

ed243421 wrote:

what i've just realized is there are-

racists that hate
and
racists that are ignorant

see your last comments are part of the problem - white america can NEVER make arguments about black america without being labeled racists. until both blacks and whites can HONESTLY and OPENLY listen to each others comments and arguments can they begin to work together to improve the situation.

Dirtie_Frank

pjhawks wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

what i've just realized is there are-

racists that hate
and
racists that are ignorant

see your last comments are part of the problem - white america can NEVER make arguments about black america without being labeled racists. until both blacks and whites can HONESTLY and OPENLY listen to each others comments and arguments can they begin to work together to improve the situation.

Agreed.

Eliot Rosewater

HeidiJam wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.

Yep, we can agree on this point. By the way, this is one of the better discussions of race that I've had on this board.

You guys prove my point each and everytime you post. You are making excuses for why they have not succeeded. They are GIVEN every tool to succeeded for FREE and there is still no progress being made. There are no minority youth today that have expierenced slavery or segragation, you would probably have to go up to their grandparents for any kind of experience. When does this excuse end? How long does it take to get over these long term affects?

I already answered. Generations, even centuries, if ever. Certainly not years or even decades. I don't think you realize the scope or affects of oppression and bigotry.

So you think blacks and/or other minorities as just making excuses? Now why do you think that is? Why do they make excuses?

Why are they not as financially successful as whites?

What is your solution?

Is there no REAL problem here and they just need a good dose of Tony Robins or Zig Ziglar to help them get off their asses and tackle the world?

Oh wait, we're not supposed to help them.

Damnit. Now what?

Blockhead

I already answered. Generations, even centuries, if ever. Certainly not years or even decades. I don't think you realize the scope or affects of oppression and bigotry.

So you think blacks and/or other minorities as just making excuses? Now why do you think that is? Why do they make excuses?

Why are they not as financially successful as whites?

What is your solution?

Is there no REAL problem here and they just need a good dose of Tony Robins or Zig Ziglar to help them get off their asses and tackle the world?

Oh wait, we're not supposed to help them.

Damnit. Now what?"

Truthfully we have no idea how long it takes for those affects to wear off. Your just throwing out a long number there. I addressed why they are not as successful, they do not use the tools given. They do not attend schools because there is no support system at home. My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce, and if you do then YOU need to support your home and child, not the GOV. That would be a start, that would then in turn make people more personally responsible for things that they actually pay for. Also Drug test. You wonder why section 8 housing is so bad. Because they put no money into it. And for being called a racisit??? You can call me what you want to but nothing that i have presented is false. and it all comes from concern for society. You can certinly help people without GIVING handouts.

Eliot Rosewater

HeidiJam wrote:

Truthfully we have no idea how long it takes for those affects to wear off. Your just throwing out a long number there. I addressed why they are not as successful, they do not use the tools given. They do not attend schools because there is no support system at home. My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce, and if you do then YOU need to support your home and child, not the GOV. That would be a start, that would then in turn make people more personally responsible for things that they actually pay for. Also Drug test. You wonder why section 8 housing is so bad. Because they put no money into it. And for being called a racisit??? You can call me what you want to but nothing that i have presented is false. and it all comes from concern for society. You can certinly help people without GIVING handouts.

Wtf? I didn't call you a racist. I think you're confused.

I guess what I want you to explain to me is WHY do they not use the tools given? Because I believe in many instances we make it hard for them. Affirmitive action helps make it easier for minorities to use the tools "GIVEN" as you say.

Do you deny that racism exists? Clearly it takes many generations AT LEAST for a white society as a whole to change their attitudes and actions towards minorities. I just don't see how anyone could even begin to argue that. Do you deny that racism in this country today stems from or at least is HUGELY affected by a history of slavery, oppression, bigotry? Because it sounds to me like you are denying that.

So please be clear - are you:

(A) Denying that racism exists in America OR

(B) Denying that a history of extreme racism via slavery, oppression, bigotry has any affect on racism in America today

acoustic guy

pjhawks wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

what i've just realized is there are-

racists that hate
and
racists that are ignorant

see your last comments are part of the problem - white america can NEVER make arguments about black america without being labeled racists. until both blacks and whites can HONESTLY and OPENLY listen to each others comments and arguments can they begin to work together to improve the situation.

I can totally respect that...

acoustic guy

HeidiJam wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.

Yep, we can agree on this point. By the way, this is one of the better discussions of race that I've had on this board.

You guys prove my point each and everytime you post. You are making excuses for why they have not succeeded. They are GIVEN every tool to succeeded for FREE and there is still no progress being made. There are no minority youth today that have expierenced slavery or segragation, you would probably have to go up to their grandparents for any kind of experience. When does this excuse end? How long does it take to get over these long term affects?

Great point....I hate it that what you said will labeled racist on this forum. But its not. Disagreeing with a minority situation does not make you racist.

acoustic guy

HeidiJam wrote:

Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.

I think I found the female side of me. All of your posts make excellent points that are right on the money whether people here like it or not.

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

Great point....I hate it that what you said will labeled racist on this forum. But its not. Disagreeing with a minority situation does not make you racist.

Great, then maybe you can explain this?:

'The report attributes part of the cause to the "powerful role of persistent discrimination in housing, credit and labour markets. African-Americans and Hispanics were at least twice as likely to receive high-cost home mortgages as whites with similar incomes," the report says.'

Byrnzie

HeidiJam wrote:

Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames.

Do you have any evidence of this? Did someone follow these people to the Walmart and note down what they bought and with what money they paid for it? Sounds like just more racist bullshit to me.

acoustic guy

Byrnzie wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Great point....I hate it that what you said will labeled racist on this forum. But its not. Disagreeing with a minority situation does not make you racist.

Great, then maybe you can explain this?:

'The report attributes part of the cause to the "powerful role of persistent discrimination in housing, credit and labour markets. African-Americans and Hispanics were at least twice as likely to receive high-cost home mortgages as whites with similar incomes," the report says.'

And why do you think that is??? Does it say that?? No? Well why??? If its true which it probably is....why are they being discriminatory??? Dont you think their must be a pretty good business decision on the matter? OR...do you think its one big conspiracy to keep the Blacks and Hispanics down?? :roll:
Thank God The term "black" was used in the OP's title....I would have been burned at the stake by now.

acoustic guy

Byrnzie wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames.

Do you have any evidence of this? Did someone follow these people to the Walmart and note down what they bought and with what money they paid for it? Sounds like just more racist bullshit to me.

No...she made it up to win an argument. Man oh man are you green.

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

And why do you think that is??? Does it say that?? No? Well why??? If its true which it probably is....why are they being discriminatory??? Dont you think their must be a pretty good business decision on the matter? OR...do you think its one big conspiracy to keep the Blacks and Hispanics down?? :roll:
Thank God The term "black" was used in the OP's title....I would have been burned at the stake by now.

Sure, it's just good business, and to suggest it may be anything else would be tantamount to indulging in crazy conspiracy theories. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames.

Do you have any evidence of this? Did someone follow these people to the Walmart and note down what they bought and with what money they paid for it? Sounds like just more racist bullshit to me.

No...she made it up to win an argument. Man oh man are you green.

Except she didn't win any argument. Keep trying pal, you may get there one day.

Blockhead

I did not make it up, no reason to... you can probably look it up if you'd like. I guess you are saying that welfare money is not abused?
I am losing some patience with some of you. For every question you ask why is this? There is a very simple reason. And racism goes boths ways, and I would be wiling to bet anything that reverse racisim is much more of an issue today. All my points come from the truth not racisim.
Minorities have it very easy today, there is alot that goes into getting loans, such as credit, collertal, etc.

You guys are trying to find some abstract reason to find racisim in everything that dosent go a minorties way.
I am amused that you guys think its fair what the gov gives. For how hard I assume some of you work don't you think its ridiculous that YOU have to pay for what they recieve as handouts.

Conclusion - They like being taken care of and the gov(you) footing the bill. Next time you guys are out go ahead and drive through the inner city and tell me what you see, I drive through Over the Rhine (cincinnati) every morning and through the West Side (Price HIll) and i see houses with no windows, 3 year olds out at 11pm and... cars with rims, very nice cloathing and jewlery.

Like I said put very strict rules on welfare and you will see alot of improvements in personal responsibility.

rebornFixer

HeidiJam wrote:

I did not make it up, no reason to... you can probably look it up if you'd like. I guess you are saying that welfare money is not abused?
I am losing some patience with some of you. For every question you ask why is this? There is a very simple reason. And racism goes boths ways, and I would be wiling to bet anything that reverse racisim is much more of an issue today. All my points come from the truth not racisim.
Minorities have it very easy today, there is alot that goes into getting loans, such as credit, collertal, etc.

You guys are trying to find some abstract reason to find racisim in everything that dosent go a minorties way.
I am amused that you guys think its fair what the gov gives. For how hard I assume some of you work don't you think its ridiculous that YOU have to pay for what they recieve as handouts.

Conclusion - They like being taken care of and the gov(you) footing the bill. Next time you guys are out go ahead and drive through the inner city and tell me what you see, I drive through Over the Rhine (cincinnati) every morning and through the West Side (Price HIll) and i see houses with no windows, 3 year olds out at 11pm and... cars with rims, very nice cloathing and jewlery.

Like I said put very strict rules on welfare and you will see alot of improvements in personal responsibility.

I can agree with the view that racism can go both ways, 100%. I think we part ways when it comes to the blanket notion that minorities have it easy, though. Social class always gets ignored in these debates, by the way, by both sides. The white poor probably have less of a chance than the black rich ... And the black or Indian poor get a double whammy.