OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH You said fucking dumb. You win tough guy.
Jesus, I never "discount the amount of jobs lost by taking corporation overseas". read again, and again since you seem to need to. Then read it again.
I just said that it was dumb to say corporations do not provide a lot of jobs for americans. Pretty fucking dumb even.
who is the tough guy? i call it like i see it. please, no wait...pretty please, accept my apologies if you don't like it...you seem to choose to praise the virtues of corporations for allowingsome americans to work for them...i choose to demonize the ones who don't...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I would also love to see the attendance stats at these low poverty schools. You have to actuall show up to school in order to learn. Blaming everything on the system and teachers is a joke. Kids in low poverty area and school districts don't care about school or learnin.g
that's is not a hasty generalization or anything....care to use an industrial sized paint roller next time?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH You said fucking dumb. You win tough guy.
Jesus, I never "discount the amount of jobs lost by taking corporation overseas". read again, and again since you seem to need to. Then read it again.
I just said that it was dumb to say corporations do not provide a lot of jobs for americans. Pretty fucking dumb even.
who is the tough guy? i call it like i see it. please, no wait...pretty please, accept my apologies if you don't like it...you seem to choose to praise the virtues of corporations for allowingsome americans to work for them...i choose to demonize the ones who don't...
Alrighty then.
Anyhow, it's taking away from the real discussion (although there really hasn't been much of that here since some started calling others racists and others choose to ignore that racism still exists), so I'm sorry I took it off on that tangent.
I would also love to see the attendance stats at these low poverty schools. You have to actuall show up to school in order to learn. Blaming everything on the system and teachers is a joke. Kids in low poverty area and school districts don't care about school or learnin.g
that's is not a hasty generalization or anything....care to use an industrial sized paint roller next time?
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH You said fucking dumb. You win tough guy.
Jesus, I never "discount the amount of jobs lost by taking corporation overseas". read again, and again since you seem to need to. Then read it again.
I just said that it was dumb to say corporations do not provide a lot of jobs for americans. Pretty fucking dumb even.
who is the tough guy? i call it like i see it. please, no wait...pretty please, accept my apologies if you don't like it...you seem to choose to praise the virtues of corporations for allowingsome americans to work for them...i choose to demonize the ones who don't...
Alrighty then.
Anyhow, it's taking away from the real discussion (although there really hasn't been much of that here since some started calling others racists and others choose to ignore that racism still exists), so I'm sorry I took it off on that tangent.
no worries, i'm sorry too....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
a lot of this is funding too ... the schools in poorer neighbourhoods are inherently underfunded which translates into everything else ...
there was a cool story in cnnsi about a girls softball team from a poorer school playing against a top ranked school ... the coach from the top ranked school offered to forfeit the game and instead take the time to teach the girls how to play the game ... the story blew up and now the girls from that school have had equipment donated and a better field to practice on ... sometimes all you need is the same opportunity others have for their to be a difference ...
I would also love to see the attendance stats at these low poverty schools. You have to actuall show up to school in order to learn. Blaming everything on the system and teachers is a joke. Kids in low poverty area and school districts don't care about school or learning.
I understand your frustration when you see your own earnings go down the drain. However, I think your comments are grossly overgeneralized to ethnic minority groups based on what you've witnessed in your community. I think you should devote some of that frustration to the corporate greed that is getting away with way more than all the ethnic minorities combined.
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
a lot of this is funding too ... the schools in poorer neighbourhoods are inherently underfunded which translates into everything else ...
there was a cool story in cnnsi about a girls softball team from a poorer school playing against a top ranked school ... the coach from the top ranked school offered to forfeit the game and instead take the time to teach the girls how to play the game ... the story blew up and now the girls from that school have had equipment donated and a better field to practice on ... sometimes all you need is the same opportunity others have for their to be a difference ...
there was a cool story in cnnsi about a girls softball team from a poorer school playing against a top ranked school ... the coach from the top ranked school offered to forfeit the game and instead take the time to teach the girls how to play the game ...
Question, and maybe you don't know, but how exactly wasn't there anyone from the girls school/families that could "teach them how to play the game"?
While I agree regarding the funding for equipment, fields, etc....the lack of learning how to play may point to the people int eh community not caring enough about their kids to teach them. So it could show a combination of the 2 factors I mentioned.
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
i think all of what you wrote contributes to it. i think they realize they were dealt a bad hand. it is very difficult to overcome things like growing up in a bad neighborhood or a poor community. i will bet many of them are from households with single parents where working one job will not pay the bills and allow them to move anywhere else. i am sure many of them see no way out. what kid does not want to do better than their parents? if the parent has a dead end job and little money, the kids see that as a glass ceiling or they might think "if mom or dad can't get us out of here, nobody can"...it leads to learned helplessness all of which leads to apathy and eventual failure. it fosters the mentality of "work is for suckers" and that "i can do better hustling on the streets", and that is where people turn to fast money and crime. i think everything you said contributes to the overall problem, but i think it is the inherent disadvantages of poverty that is the worst part.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
a lot of this is funding too ... the schools in poorer neighbourhoods are inherently underfunded which translates into everything else ...
there was a cool story in cnnsi about a girls softball team from a poorer school playing against a top ranked school ... the coach from the top ranked school offered to forfeit the game and instead take the time to teach the girls how to play the game ... the story blew up and now the girls from that school have had equipment donated and a better field to practice on ... sometimes all you need is the same opportunity others have for their to be a difference ...
But....But...Minorities these days have it VERY EASY! They get not only the same opportunity but even MORE! :roll:
Okay, sarcasm aside, sorry for that. Great post. Great coach, great story.
Question, and maybe you don't know, but how exactly wasn't there anyone from the girls school/families that could "teach them how to play the game"?
While I agree regarding the funding for equipment, fields, etc....the lack of learning how to play may point to the people int eh community not caring enough about their kids to teach them. So it could show a combination of the 2 factors I mentioned.
for some reason i can't find the article on cnnsi ... here is something referencing it ...
i would suspect that there just wasn't anyone who knew the game ... my understanding is that in some of these schools - they hire softball coaches specifically for the teams ... when i was in high school - i coached our badminton team cuz no teacher knew what the heck they were doing ...
Wow, thats a broad generalization saying that they were delt a bad hand... Has it every occured to any of you that maybe their bad choices led to them being in poverty. Success comes from making the right decisions in life. Poeple keep avoiding the prision stat that i bring up... I wonder why...
If your parents don't give a shit, then you will not give a shit.
If your poor don't have 5 kids, if the poor / minority would have some self control in terms of reporduction maybe there would not be this downward spiral into poverty.
Some people truly need help but Its not MY job to keep people afloat, pay for Direct TV,
None of you seem to get that there is such thing as personal responsibility,
Question, and maybe you don't know, but how exactly wasn't there anyone from the girls school/families that could "teach them how to play the game"?
While I agree regarding the funding for equipment, fields, etc....the lack of learning how to play may point to the people int eh community not caring enough about their kids to teach them. So it could show a combination of the 2 factors I mentioned.
for some reason i can't find the article on cnnsi ... here is something referencing it ...
i would suspect that there just wasn't anyone who knew the game ... my understanding is that in some of these schools - they hire softball coaches specifically for the teams ... when i was in high school - i coached our badminton team cuz no teacher knew what the heck they were doing ...
Thanks, I'll check it out. I find it far more reasonable that no one would know badminton. But not to know softball enough to teach it???? Kinda crazy talk.
Do you have actual factual data about the rate at which welfare money is abused, 3-year-olds are out at 11 PM, etc.?
Well, I know this isn't addressed to me, but I think if you had ever actually had to drive through an area (or walk through) like Over the Rhine you wouldn't be questioning and asking for "factual data" about young kids being out WAY TOO late and left with not much older kids...no parent around.
Now, is that because the parent is working 2 jobs, etc? Maybe. But the sheer volumn of kids of all ages that are left to roam the streets very late at night in OTR at least is ridiculous beyond belief. And really, I've walked up Vine street in Cincy after a night baseball game a few times and I would never do that again. Talk about racism.
I think it'd be better to try and stick to other topics regarding this situation.
My point is that we shouldn't base prejudices on anecdotal "information". That kind of thinking only creates problems; it doesn't solve them.
Do you have actual factual data about the rate at which welfare money is abused, 3-year-olds are out at 11 PM, etc.?
And did you REALLY just say, "Minorities have it very easy today"?? Will you please explain to me exactly how Native Americans have it easy today? Thank you.
Nope no aerial here...
I don't know that there is any factual data describing ages and what time of night they are out to. If you have to drvie through an area like i do on a daily basis to get home, such as cincybearcat said there is no disputing how young some of these children are and how late they are out with no supervision. This is not new or suprising and is pretty humurous that you would question it.
As far as welfare money being abused, I will take that as a sracastic question. You can tell its being abused simply by looking at the conditions of where they live in the inner city compared to their cloathing and cars.
Yes minorities do have it very easy today, we actually bend over backwards to do everyting in our power to give them everything we work for. Its funny how I am being called a racisist by people when all the things I am pointing out are as plain as day. I don't know much about Natives I do know they get some benefits if they are recognized as a tribe and reservations have their own GOV. They set the taxes, and the justice system. Beyond that I am not sure of anything else to my knowledge, I am ignorant to that subject. But I will say that NA are not the issue here, we are talking about why certin monirties can not progress and their reasons.
ALso my solution on welfare about not letting them reproduce was not suggesting abortion, It was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that, you are on your own now to raise your family and be a parent.
This has been a fun debate, but please with calling me a racist, I am far from it. I am glad to see that people in here that have actually experience what I am talking about are sticking up for me.
1. I did not question whether or not you have seen young children out late at night on a regular basis in a particular neighborhood. I'm sure you have. I'm questioning your use of anecdotal experience as a basis from which to judge an entire race of people. That's just not good reasoning.
2. My question about welfare abuse was not sarcastic - and you still haven't answered it. Again, I didn't say that no welfare abuse ever occurred. I asked what the RATE of welfare abuse is.
3. How are Native populations not the issue here? They are a minority and they are arguably the most impoverished group in this country. I think your statements about Natives and minorities in general are pretty ignorant.
4. Sorry, I thought when you said we shouldn't "let them reproduce" you meant we should actually keep them from reproducing. So if you're not saying we should keep "them" from reproducing, but just that we shouldn't provide assistance to the children of "these" people, I would like to know more about how you would like to see that play out. Are you saying we shouldn't provide for healthcare for children or for pregnancy? Are you saying we shouldn't provide social programs for children, like after school programs, etc.? Are you saying we shouldn't provide education or libraries for these children? Are you saying we should leave the children of "these" people to live on the streets and go hungry?
5. I didn't call you a racist. (Unless you really ARE aerial! She's the only one I've ever called a racist on here.) ETA: I do think your use of the word "them" is pretty telling though.
Do you have actual factual data about the rate at which welfare money is abused, 3-year-olds are out at 11 PM, etc.?
Well, I know this isn't addressed to me, but I think if you had ever actually had to drive through an area (or walk through) like Over the Rhine you wouldn't be questioning and asking for "factual data" about young kids being out WAY TOO late and left with not much older kids...no parent around.
Now, is that because the parent is working 2 jobs, etc? Maybe. But the sheer volumn of kids of all ages that are left to roam the streets very late at night in OTR at least is ridiculous beyond belief. And really, I've walked up Vine street in Cincy after a night baseball game a few times and I would never do that again. Talk about racism.
I think it'd be better to try and stick to other topics regarding this situation.
My point is that we shouldn't base prejudices on anecdotal "information". That kind of thinking only creates problems; it doesn't solve them.
My point is, if you give me the funding, I'll prove to you that young kids in low income areas are out way too late. I'm confident of it.
Wow, thats a broad generalization saying that they were delt a bad hand... Has it every occured to any of you that maybe their bad choices led to them being in poverty. Success comes from making the right decisions in life. Poeple keep avoiding the prision stat that i bring up... I wonder why...
If your parents don't give a shit, then you will not give a shit.
If your poor don't have 5 kids, if the poor / minority would have some self control in terms of reporduction maybe there would not be this downward spiral into poverty.
Some people truly need help but Its not MY job to keep people afloat, pay for Direct TV,
None of you seem to get that there is such thing as personal responsibility,
Have you ever done anything to help "Them" learn to make the right decisions?
Wow, thats a broad generalization saying that they were delt a bad hand... Has it every occured to any of you that maybe their bad choices led to them being in poverty. Success comes from making the right decisions in life. Poeple keep avoiding the prision stat that i bring up... I wonder why...
If your parents don't give a shit, then you will not give a shit.
If your poor don't have 5 kids, if the poor / minority would have some self control in terms of reporduction maybe there would not be this downward spiral into poverty.
Some people truly need help but Its not MY job to keep people afloat, pay for Direct TV,
None of you seem to get that there is such thing as personal responsibility,
Have you ever done anything to help "Them" learn to make the right decisions?
Ever volunteered your time?
My time goes to my Family (wife, children) when I am not working. I am only on this planet once and tomorrow is not guarenteed so My family is priority #1. I palyed college football and I do help 3 young minorties in my neighborhood with lifting and football programs, and take them to the track with me and run. I feel like I do have a positive influence in their lives also. Other than that, no i do not volunteer any other time, i do coach my daughters sports though, so there are some other lives that I am touching.
Wow, thats a broad generalization saying that they were delt a bad hand... Has it every occured to any of you that maybe their bad choices led to them being in poverty. Success comes from making the right decisions in life. Poeple keep avoiding the prision stat that i bring up... I wonder why...
If your parents don't give a shit, then you will not give a shit.
If your poor don't have 5 kids, if the poor / minority would have some self control in terms of reporduction maybe there would not be this downward spiral into poverty.
Some people truly need help but Its not MY job to keep people afloat, pay for Direct TV,
None of you seem to get that there is such thing as personal responsibility,
Have you ever done anything to help "Them" learn to make the right decisions?
Ever volunteered your time?
My time goes to my Family (wife, children) when I am not working. I am only on this planet once and tomorrow is not guarenteed so My family is priority #1. I palyed college football and I do help 3 young minorties in my neighborhood with lifting and football programs, and take them to the track with me and run. I feel like I do have a positive influence in their lives also. Other than that, no i do not volunteer any other time, i do coach my daughters sports though, so there are some other lives that I am touching.
Well, even though I diagree with your opinions, I give you props for trying to being a positive influence.
In your opinion, why are the "minorities" in your neighborhood in their current situations?
I would also love to see the attendance stats at these low poverty schools. You have to actuall show up to school in order to learn. Blaming everything on the system and teachers is a joke. Kids in low poverty area and school districts don't care about school or learnin.g
that's is not a hasty generalization or anything....care to use an industrial sized paint roller next time?
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
IF it has been proven that there is greater "apathy" for school in low income areas, I would suggest that it's partially because of your first suggestion and primarily because parents are spending most of their time working their asses off at 2-3 jobs to make ends meet and therefore don't have enough time to be home with their children doing all the things parents can do to inspire & help their kids do well in school. I would also bet that, in high schools, a lot of kids don't go to school because they have to work. I know I had to start working when I was 15 (had to get a special work permit to work that young) to help keep food on our table. And I know that MANY of my mom's high school "special ed" students drop out of school to go to work. Also, the disparity in unintended pregnancies based on race and income is HUGE in this country, and getting worse, so I would think kids are more likely to miss school or drop out entirely due to pregnancy & parenthood in areas with higher percentages of people of color and people living in poverty.
there was a cool story in cnnsi about a girls softball team from a poorer school playing against a top ranked school ... the coach from the top ranked school offered to forfeit the game and instead take the time to teach the girls how to play the game ...
Question, and maybe you don't know, but how exactly wasn't there anyone from the girls school/families that could "teach them how to play the game"?
While I agree regarding the funding for equipment, fields, etc....the lack of learning how to play may point to the people int eh community not caring enough about their kids to teach them. So it could show a combination of the 2 factors I mentioned.
I think we have to be careful to not confuse not having time, money, health, etc. to do things with your kids with not caring.
4. Sorry, I thought when you said we shouldn't "let them reproduce" you meant we should actually keep them from reproducing. So if you're not saying we should keep "them" from reproducing, but just that we shouldn't provide assistance to the children of "these" people, I would like to know more about how you would like to see that play out. Are you saying we shouldn't provide for healthcare for children or for pregnancy? Are you saying we shouldn't provide social programs for children, like after school programs, etc.? Are you saying we shouldn't provide education or libraries for these children? Are you saying we should leave the children of "these" people to live on the streets and go hungry?
Or lets let it continue to play out how it is with no consequences for their actions. That seems to be going well for the poor don't you thin?
Parents should provide healtcare for children. That is their responsibility, if you don't have any as a parent, guess what don't have any kids. That seems pretty simple to me. If I don't have the money to buy something, i don't buy it... I guess you are for letting my buy and it you will end up paying for it???
Why would I not want social programs, what does this have to do with reproduction of welfare parents?
We most certinly should provide education and libraries for children, not just poor ones.
No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids. There are plenty of parents out there that can not have kids that would love to take care of a child.
So let me get this straight - Your solution is to let people do whatever they want (have kids they can't pay for)and have everyone else foot the bill and your ok with that?
IF it has been proven that there is greater "apathy" for school in low income areas, I would suggest that it's partially because of your first suggestion and primarily because parents are spending most of their time working their asses off at 2-3 jobs to make ends meet and therefore don't have enough time to be home with their children doing all the things parents can do to inspire & help their kids do well in school. I would also bet that, in high schools, a lot of kids don't go to school because they have to work. I know I had to start working when I was 15 (had to get a special work permit to work that young) to help keep food on our table. And I know that MANY of my mom's high school "special ed" students drop out of school to go to work. Also, the disparity in unintended pregnancies based on race and income is HUGE in this country, and getting worse, so I would think kids are more likely to miss school or drop out entirely due to pregnancy & parenthood in areas with higher percentages of people of color and people living in poverty.
Solution - Don't have kids if you can spend time with them. Wait a couple of years and build up some savings and then plan. There are very simple solutions to all of your problems. They all require responsibility.
Wow, thats a broad generalization saying that they were delt a bad hand... Has it every occured to any of you that maybe their bad choices led to them being in poverty. Success comes from making the right decisions in life. Poeple keep avoiding the prision stat that i bring up... I wonder why...
If your parents don't give a shit, then you will not give a shit.
If your poor don't have 5 kids, if the poor / minority would have some self control in terms of reporduction maybe there would not be this downward spiral into poverty.
Some people truly need help but Its not MY job to keep people afloat, pay for Direct TV,
None of you seem to get that there is such thing as personal responsibility,
Wow. :(
First of all, your suggestion that "bad choices led to minorities being in poverty" assumes they were equal (or greater) to begin with but pissed it all away. In fact, we all know that there has NEVER been a time in United States history when minorities, as a whole, have had the power or even had equal control over the money/ resources. Do you seriously not agree that minority groups got a really, really late start in this rat race? And can you not see that they have never been able to catch up?
Secondly, people might not be addressing the prison stat because this has been discussed here before, not too long ago, and someone demonstrated that there are more minorities in prison in large part because white people are MUCH more likely to be given breaks than people of color. It's NOT because it's so valid a point that no one wants to touch it; it's because it's such an invalid point.
Third, people of color do not demonstrate any less reproductive self-control than white people do. (I can't believe you would even suggest such an offensive and ignorant thing!) They do, however, have much less access to contraceptive services - and that, again, goes back to the systemic racism in this country.
My point is that we shouldn't base prejudices on anecdotal "information". That kind of thinking only creates problems; it doesn't solve them.
My point is, if you give me the funding, I'll prove to you that young kids in low income areas are out way too late. I'm confident of it.
Okay, well that gets back to my original question: At what rate are young kids in low income areas out way too late? Is it high enough to suggest that this represents an entire race of people? And what is the relative rate when comparing poor white neighborhoods with poor minority neighborhoods, or poor minority neighborhoods with wealthier minority neighborhoods? Can this phenomenon be (supposedly) "attributed" to race? Or income? And what counts as "young kids" or "out way too late"? And who gets to apply their values to define whether it's a problem (and they are dissenting values disregarded)?
Are you really defending her overgeneralizations as you seem to be? :?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Alrighty then.
Anyhow, it's taking away from the real discussion (although there really hasn't been much of that here since some started calling others racists and others choose to ignore that racism still exists), so I'm sorry I took it off on that tangent.
I wonder how much of the apathy for school in some low income areas is due to the inherent disadvantages of the people in the school, is due to the environment with a lack of opportunity so they figure why bother... or is due to an unstable "family" environment where children are allowed to do as they please and not expected to comply with rules or due to a group of individuals that have been given (food stamps, etc) without required to work, etc and they have developed a sense of entitlement and do not fully value the need for education/work.
I think it's some of both, and the former has potentially created the latter.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
a lot of this is funding too ... the schools in poorer neighbourhoods are inherently underfunded which translates into everything else ...
there was a cool story in cnnsi about a girls softball team from a poorer school playing against a top ranked school ... the coach from the top ranked school offered to forfeit the game and instead take the time to teach the girls how to play the game ... the story blew up and now the girls from that school have had equipment donated and a better field to practice on ... sometimes all you need is the same opportunity others have for their to be a difference ...
I understand your frustration when you see your own earnings go down the drain. However, I think your comments are grossly overgeneralized to ethnic minority groups based on what you've witnessed in your community. I think you should devote some of that frustration to the corporate greed that is getting away with way more than all the ethnic minorities combined.
Yep, good point re:funding.
Question, and maybe you don't know, but how exactly wasn't there anyone from the girls school/families that could "teach them how to play the game"?
While I agree regarding the funding for equipment, fields, etc....the lack of learning how to play may point to the people int eh community not caring enough about their kids to teach them. So it could show a combination of the 2 factors I mentioned.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But....But...Minorities these days have it VERY EASY! They get not only the same opportunity but even MORE! :roll:
Okay, sarcasm aside, sorry for that. Great post. Great coach, great story.
for some reason i can't find the article on cnnsi ... here is something referencing it ...
http://therebbetzinrocks.wordpress.com/ ... ball-team/
i would suspect that there just wasn't anyone who knew the game ... my understanding is that in some of these schools - they hire softball coaches specifically for the teams ... when i was in high school - i coached our badminton team cuz no teacher knew what the heck they were doing ...
If your parents don't give a shit, then you will not give a shit.
If your poor don't have 5 kids, if the poor / minority would have some self control in terms of reporduction maybe there would not be this downward spiral into poverty.
Some people truly need help but Its not MY job to keep people afloat, pay for Direct TV,
None of you seem to get that there is such thing as personal responsibility,
Thanks, I'll check it out. I find it far more reasonable that no one would know badminton. But not to know softball enough to teach it???? Kinda crazy talk.
EDIT: Great read, thanks.
My point is that we shouldn't base prejudices on anecdotal "information". That kind of thinking only creates problems; it doesn't solve them.
1. I did not question whether or not you have seen young children out late at night on a regular basis in a particular neighborhood. I'm sure you have. I'm questioning your use of anecdotal experience as a basis from which to judge an entire race of people. That's just not good reasoning.
2. My question about welfare abuse was not sarcastic - and you still haven't answered it. Again, I didn't say that no welfare abuse ever occurred. I asked what the RATE of welfare abuse is.
3. How are Native populations not the issue here? They are a minority and they are arguably the most impoverished group in this country. I think your statements about Natives and minorities in general are pretty ignorant.
4. Sorry, I thought when you said we shouldn't "let them reproduce" you meant we should actually keep them from reproducing. So if you're not saying we should keep "them" from reproducing, but just that we shouldn't provide assistance to the children of "these" people, I would like to know more about how you would like to see that play out. Are you saying we shouldn't provide for healthcare for children or for pregnancy? Are you saying we shouldn't provide social programs for children, like after school programs, etc.? Are you saying we shouldn't provide education or libraries for these children? Are you saying we should leave the children of "these" people to live on the streets and go hungry?
5. I didn't call you a racist. (Unless you really ARE aerial! She's the only one I've ever called a racist on here.) ETA: I do think your use of the word "them" is pretty telling though.
My point is, if you give me the funding, I'll prove to you that young kids in low income areas are out way too late. I'm confident of it.
People contribute to society in many more ways than just monetary ones. It's a shame that all we can see is $$.
Have you ever done anything to help "Them" learn to make the right decisions?
Ever volunteered your time?
My time goes to my Family (wife, children) when I am not working. I am only on this planet once and tomorrow is not guarenteed so My family is priority #1. I palyed college football and I do help 3 young minorties in my neighborhood with lifting and football programs, and take them to the track with me and run. I feel like I do have a positive influence in their lives also. Other than that, no i do not volunteer any other time, i do coach my daughters sports though, so there are some other lives that I am touching.
Just when I thought I had heard it all. I can't even fathom how you can think it's reasonable to make such blanket generalizations.
Well, even though I diagree with your opinions, I give you props for trying to being a positive influence.
In your opinion, why are the "minorities" in your neighborhood in their current situations?
I wasn't even talking about monetary - Can you please give me an example of what they contribute?
IF it has been proven that there is greater "apathy" for school in low income areas, I would suggest that it's partially because of your first suggestion and primarily because parents are spending most of their time working their asses off at 2-3 jobs to make ends meet and therefore don't have enough time to be home with their children doing all the things parents can do to inspire & help their kids do well in school. I would also bet that, in high schools, a lot of kids don't go to school because they have to work. I know I had to start working when I was 15 (had to get a special work permit to work that young) to help keep food on our table. And I know that MANY of my mom's high school "special ed" students drop out of school to go to work. Also, the disparity in unintended pregnancies based on race and income is HUGE in this country, and getting worse, so I would think kids are more likely to miss school or drop out entirely due to pregnancy & parenthood in areas with higher percentages of people of color and people living in poverty.
I think we have to be careful to not confuse not having time, money, health, etc. to do things with your kids with not caring.
Or lets let it continue to play out how it is with no consequences for their actions. That seems to be going well for the poor don't you thin?
Parents should provide healtcare for children. That is their responsibility, if you don't have any as a parent, guess what don't have any kids. That seems pretty simple to me. If I don't have the money to buy something, i don't buy it... I guess you are for letting my buy and it you will end up paying for it???
Why would I not want social programs, what does this have to do with reproduction of welfare parents?
We most certinly should provide education and libraries for children, not just poor ones.
No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids. There are plenty of parents out there that can not have kids that would love to take care of a child.
So let me get this straight - Your solution is to let people do whatever they want (have kids they can't pay for)and have everyone else foot the bill and your ok with that?
Solution - Don't have kids if you can spend time with them. Wait a couple of years and build up some savings and then plan. There are very simple solutions to all of your problems. They all require responsibility.
Wow. :(
First of all, your suggestion that "bad choices led to minorities being in poverty" assumes they were equal (or greater) to begin with but pissed it all away. In fact, we all know that there has NEVER been a time in United States history when minorities, as a whole, have had the power or even had equal control over the money/ resources. Do you seriously not agree that minority groups got a really, really late start in this rat race? And can you not see that they have never been able to catch up?
Secondly, people might not be addressing the prison stat because this has been discussed here before, not too long ago, and someone demonstrated that there are more minorities in prison in large part because white people are MUCH more likely to be given breaks than people of color. It's NOT because it's so valid a point that no one wants to touch it; it's because it's such an invalid point.
Third, people of color do not demonstrate any less reproductive self-control than white people do. (I can't believe you would even suggest such an offensive and ignorant thing!) They do, however, have much less access to contraceptive services - and that, again, goes back to the systemic racism in this country.
Thank you for proving my poing again. You continually make excuses for them with out any knowlege of what the real issue is.
Okay, well that gets back to my original question: At what rate are young kids in low income areas out way too late? Is it high enough to suggest that this represents an entire race of people? And what is the relative rate when comparing poor white neighborhoods with poor minority neighborhoods, or poor minority neighborhoods with wealthier minority neighborhoods? Can this phenomenon be (supposedly) "attributed" to race? Or income? And what counts as "young kids" or "out way too late"? And who gets to apply their values to define whether it's a problem (and they are dissenting values disregarded)?
Are you really defending her overgeneralizations as you seem to be? :?