Whites Five Times Richer Than Blacks In U.S

JOEJOEJOE

HeidiJam wrote:

Parenting is the Key here, Education system could be better but that is not the problem, Actually physically going to school is the problem. Taking your son out of school to get the new Jordan's that hit the street at footlocker does nothing but reinforce their thought process that school is not important and having nice clothes and cars are. Living off welfare and foodstamp will never teach anyone how to manage money and gain welth. When you have generations living off welfare and foodstamps then the problem continues to expand.
Spend time with your kids, know what they are doing and who their friends are, and continually to ask them questions about school and challenge their mind.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on these message boards.

JOEJOEJOE

Wealth is accumulated over generations, so it does make sense that certain racial/ethnic groups got a late start in building-up any sort of wealth.

The white man in America has historically had a head start in everything.

rebornFixer

scb wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Check out that thread about the Obama assassination example that the teacher in Arkansas used. .

Alabama, not Arkansas.

I stand corrected. In-house copy editing, now on the Train. :P

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rebornFixer wrote:

scb wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Check out that thread about the Obama assassination example that the teacher in Arkansas used. .

Alabama, not Arkansas.

I stand corrected. In-house copy editing, now on the Train. :P

Sorry - it's just that this is the second time on the Train recently that someone has said something bad had happened in Arkansas when it wasn't AR after all. They get a bad enough rap already; I hate to see it worsened by stuff that's not even true (probably because I'm from Arkansas).

Blockhead

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Wealth is accumulated over generations, so it does make sense that certain racial/ethnic groups got a late start in building-up any sort of wealth.

The white man in America has historically had a head start in everything.

Notice my post about making excuses??? Making excuses generation after generation will not solve any problem. And why was so ignorant about my previous post.

Byrnzie

HeidiJam wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Wealth is accumulated over generations, so it does make sense that certain racial/ethnic groups got a late start in building-up any sort of wealth.

The white man in America has historically had a head start in everything.

Notice my post about making excuses??? Making excuses generation after generation will not solve any problem. And why was so ignorant about my previous post.

Actually, it's you that's making excuses. You're making excuses - like the mother taking her kid out of school to buy some Nike Jordans :eh: - for racial discrimination and racial inequality.

You, and a few others here, have implied that black people only have themselves to blame, that they are lazy and that the parents set a bad example for their kids, e.t.c. Because of course racism doesn't exist in America, and ethnic minorities are poor by virtue of some kind of biological/mental defect inherent in their race.

I can almost hear Himmler laughing in his grave.


And who says things have changed?

rebornFixer

Byrnzie wrote:

Actually, it's you that's making excuses. You're making excuses - like the mother taking her kid out of school to buy some Nike Jordans :eh: - for racial discrimination and racial inequality.

You, and a few others here, have implied that black people only have themselves to blame, that they are lazy and that the parents set a bad example for their kids, e.t.c. Because of course racism doesn't exist in America, and ethnic minorities are poor by virtue of some kind of biological/mental defect inherent in their race.

I can almost hear Himmler laughing in his grave.


And who says things have changed?

I am not a huge fan of blaming poor people for lack of opportunities and being disadvantaged and I think I can agree with the basic substance of your view here ... But comparing some of these comments to the views of the Nazis is extreme, dude. No one said that genetic or biological or some other innate inferiority is the reason that some of these people remain oppressed (yes, SOME, because statistically speaking, many blacks in fact fall into the middle class as measured by income, if such a thing still truly exists). The argument that people do need to assume SOME level of personal responsibility for their actions, for parenting decisions, is not entirely without merit. Members of the black community like Bill Cosby have been arguing this for ages ... They are not claiming that their own people are somehow inferior. They are claiming that some people need to smarten up and take their responsibilities as parents and as members of a society more seriously, and sorry, this is true. Chris Rock's distinction between black people and "niggas" is a potentially more offensive way of making the same basic point. I am not saying that blanket statements about any group of people are acceptable, but its not a good idea to look at one cause of economic disparities and pretend that this one cause (e.g., getting fucked in the ass by the majority group) is the sole story. Maybe this was true in 1920. Times have changed since then.

Byrnzie

rebornFixer wrote:

comparing some of these comments to the views of the Nazis is extreme, dude. No one said that genetic or biological or some other innate inferiority is the reason that some of these people remain oppressed.

Really?

acoustic guy wrote:

Like it or not, yea yea I am a horrible person for saying that but they are what they are because someone noticed a pattern amongst individual races.

rebornFixer wrote:

I am not saying that blanket statements about any group of people are acceptable, but its not a good idea to look at one cause of economic disparities and pretend that this one cause (e.g., getting fucked in the ass by the majority group) is the sole story. Maybe this was true in 1920. Times have changed since then.

The above study points out that the divide is caused by 'racial discrimination and economic policies that favour the affluent', and that "there are greater opportunities and less challenges for low and moderate income families if they're white in comparison to if they're African-American or Hispanic"


I know these findings are uncomfortable for white Americans to accept, so this is why many white people here are trying to find ways to shift the attention away from themselves and pretend that black people have only themselves to blame.

rebornFixer

Well, the phrase "pattern amongst individual races" could mean a biological difference, or it could mean differences due to attitude, experience, parenting, etc. etc. I'll let acousticguy clarify what he meant, assuming he cares enough to engage in the debate after all your Nazi comparisons. If it turns out he's a hardcore eugenics supporter or a member of some Aryan throwback group, I'll gladly join you in bashing his views.

And again, I am not a white American so I will let other folks respond to that last remark. Some of what I see is indeed deflecting blame, and some of what I see stems from a combination of being tired of being everyone's scapegoat these days and a legitimate concern around personal responsibility. I grew up poor and in a very crappy situation all around. I decided to respond by getting several graduate degrees and a pretty good career. Did I have opportunities? You bet. Was I lucky to obtain them? Absolutely, my situation could have been so bad that I might not have even been able to take advantage of said opportunities in the first place, and this is probably the same dilemma that many members of minority groups face. But I still feel that I got to where I'm at as a result of making some choices. Maybe some poor people across the board don't get the chances to make good choices, and maybe some do get the chance but piss it away for various reasons. I've met both types. Sure, I don't dispute the findings of this study ... The way society is structured has to change. I still think there's other variables at work as well, and no, I am not into the notion that genetics plays any sort of role. I am not what the Nazis or David Duke would consider to be "pure", ethnically speaking. :P

Blockhead

Some of you are just to blind to see this or are scared that they will be labled a racist. But minorities are GIVEN every tool to succeed today. They are given jobs they aren't qualified for and receive a schlorship simply because of skin color. Everything these day's is a skin color issue when it shouldn't be. And I am not making excuses for why they are poor. They are poor because of generation after generation of single parenting, Gov paycheck. go look the stats up. Welfare (not unemployment) needs to be abolished as it has now turned into a program to simply control the poor and keep them poorer.

Byrnzie

HeidiJam wrote:

minorities are GIVEN every tool to succeed today. They are given jobs they aren't qualified for and receive a schlorship simply because of skin color. Everything these day's is a skin color issue when it shouldn't be. And I am not making excuses for why they are poor. They are poor because of generation after generation of single parenting, Gov paycheck. go look the stats up. Welfare (not unemployment) needs to be abolished as it has now turned into a program to simply control the poor and keep them poorer.

There's something wrong with this post. I just can't seem to put my finger on it.

acoustic guy

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Parenting is the Key here, Education system could be better but that is not the problem, Actually physically going to school is the problem. Taking your son out of school to get the new Jordan's that hit the street at footlocker does nothing but reinforce their thought process that school is not important and having nice clothes and cars are. Living off welfare and foodstamp will never teach anyone how to manage money and gain welth. When you have generations living off welfare and foodstamps then the problem continues to expand.
Spend time with your kids, know what they are doing and who their friends are, and continually to ask them questions about school and challenge their mind.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on these message boards.

No its not....
Listen, How many times have you seen a low income person living in a horrible apartment or home but driving the nicest car around or wearing the most expensive shoes? All the time!
I speak from experience everytime I say something here. I dont speculate like some here who dont even live in the country.
Example:
My close friend worked a long time for a company that was in Atlantic City, which is a very black town. Every year the company does something nice at Christmas time. They find a needey family and help them with the holiday by giving all the kids presents, they got a brand new computer etc...
Well first of all, the director of the company who is black picked her niece who works there and every WEEK this girl has her nails done, her hair done and always has new clothes. they are supposed to pick someone outside of the company but bc its here neice she pickled her and asked my friend to keep it quiet. He did cause he needed a job. They also gave her free computer connection for a month!! Well after that month she asked my friend who was the I.T. guy for the company to come over cause she thought it was broken. Well it was not broken, the free month was over....what did she do??? COMPLAINED!!! She bitched b/c it was only free for a month instead of being appreciative she bitched about the nice gift. Fucking people.
My point is that this girl lives in the Hood. I mean the HOOD. Bad area and apartment complex, she makes decent money but spends it all on crap. She does not save the money to move out of the dump. Instead she blows it on hair nails and clothes. THAT is what many low income people do, whether you are black white yellow or green.
Many white people make more money then blacks becaue they are taught the value of a dollar. If you are taught that then you will be more inclined to appreciate it and not spend it but save it!
Makes perfect sense to me.

acoustic guy

Byrnzie wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Some of you are just to blind to see this or are scared that they will be labled a racist. But minorities are GIVEN every tool to succeed today. They are given jobs they aren't qualified for and receive a schlorship simply because of skin color. Everything these day's is a skin color issue when it shouldn't be. And I am not making excuses for why they are poor. They are poor because of generation after generation of single parenting, Gov paycheck. go look the stats up. Welfare (not unemployment) needs to be abolished as it has now turned into a program to simply control the poor and keep them poorer.

There's something wrong with this post. I just can't seem to put my finger on it.

There is nothing wrong with it....
In Atlantic City in the late 90's they decided they wanted more blacks to be Firemen so they "CHANGED" the test making it more geared towards minorities. (Another words, easier) Well guess what, they still did not pass, and the ones that did did very poorly compaired to the whites trying to pass. Because of this the city tried to not hire anyone but received a load of shit for it in the news paper so they had to hire the white guys.

Bottom line is you hire the BEST person for the job PERIOD. Screw color. BEST person for the job. And when its a job where you are saving lives you DONT make the test easier or crying out loud!

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

Listen, How many times have you seen a low income person living in a horrible apartment or home but driving the nicest car around or wearing the most expensive shoes? All the time!
I speak from experience everytime I say something here. I dont speculate like some here who dont even live in the country.
Example:
My close friend worked a long time for a company that was in Atlantic City, which is a very black town. Every year the company does something nice at Christmas time. They find a needey family and help them with the holiday by giving all the kids presents, they got a brand new computer etc...
Well first of all, the director of the company who is black picked her niece who works there and every WEEK this girl has her nails done, her hair done and always has new clothes. they are supposed to pick someone outside of the company but bc its here neice she pickled her and asked my friend to keep it quiet. He did cause he needed a job. They also gave her free computer connection for a month!! Well after that month she asked my friend who was the I.T. guy for the company to come over cause she thought it was broken. Well it was not broken, the free month was over....what did she do??? COMPLAINED!!! She bitched b/c it was only free for a month instead of being appreciative she bitched about the nice gift. Fucking people.
My point is that this girl lives in the Hood. I mean the HOOD. Bad area and apartment complex, she makes decent money but spends it all on crap. She does not save the money to move out of the dump. Instead she blows it on hair nails and clothes. THAT is what many low income people do, whether you are black white yellow or green.
Many white people make more money then blacks becaue they are taught the value of a dollar. If you are taught that then you will be more inclined to appreciate it and not spend it but save it!
Makes perfect sense to me.

Because owning a nice pair of shoes equates with owning a nice house, and having a well paid job? I get it now. Thanks for setting the record straight.

As a matter of fact, when I was working crappy jobs and trying to get myself through college one of the few luxuries I always allowed myself was a nice pair of shoes. For me, nice clothes, records and books were all I had. I'd say for many poor people that's also the case. But that doesn't mean that minorities are generally slack with their money and don't know how to be responsible. That's just a bullshit generalization - some would say racial stereotyping. The same kind of racial stereotyping that the above study draws attention to.

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

In Atlantic City in the late 90's they decided they wanted more blacks to be Firemen so they "CHANGED" the test making it more geared towards minorities. (Another words, easier) Well guess what, they still did not pass, and the ones that did did very poorly compaired to the whites trying to pass. Because of this the city tried to not hire anyone but received a load of shit for it in the news paper so they had to hire the white guys.

Bottom line is you hire the BEST person for the job PERIOD. Screw color. BEST person for the job. And when its a job where you are saving lives you DONT make the test easier or crying out loud!

I thought it went without saying that black people made crap firemen? Isn't that just common knowledge? It makes perfect sense why Atlantic city would feel the need to make the test easier for minority groups. Blacks have always been known to be physically and mentally inferior to whites, right? :?

acoustic guy

Byrnzie wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Listen, How many times have you seen a low income person living in a horrible apartment or home but driving the nicest car around or wearing the most expensive shoes? All the time!
I speak from experience everytime I say something here. I dont speculate like some here who dont even live in the country.
Example:
My close friend worked a long time for a company that was in Atlantic City, which is a very black town. Every year the company does something nice at Christmas time. They find a needey family and help them with the holiday by giving all the kids presents, they got a brand new computer etc...
Well first of all, the director of the company who is black picked her niece who works there and every WEEK this girl has her nails done, her hair done and always has new clothes. they are supposed to pick someone outside of the company but bc its here neice she pickled her and asked my friend to keep it quiet. He did cause he needed a job. They also gave her free computer connection for a month!! Well after that month she asked my friend who was the I.T. guy for the company to come over cause she thought it was broken. Well it was not broken, the free month was over....what did she do??? COMPLAINED!!! She bitched b/c it was only free for a month instead of being appreciative she bitched about the nice gift. Fucking people.
My point is that this girl lives in the Hood. I mean the HOOD. Bad area and apartment complex, she makes decent money but spends it all on crap. She does not save the money to move out of the dump. Instead she blows it on hair nails and clothes. THAT is what many low income people do, whether you are black white yellow or green.
Many white people make more money then blacks becaue they are taught the value of a dollar. If you are taught that then you will be more inclined to appreciate it and not spend it but save it!
Makes perfect sense to me.

Because owning a nice pair of shoes equates with owning a nice house, and having a well paid job? I get it now. Thanks for setting the record straight.

As a matter of fact, when I was working crappy jobs and trying to get myself through college one of the few luxuries I always allowed myself was a nice pair of shoes. For me, nice clothes, records and books were all I had. I'd say for many poor people that's also the case. But that doesn't mean that minorities are generally slack with their money and don't know how to be responsible. That's just a bullshit generalization - some would say racial stereotyping. The same kind of racial stereotyping that the above study draws attention to.

Bottom line is if you are poor and dont want to be then their is only one solution.....Education and work. Work two or three jobs to get ahead. Dont work one job and cry about being broke.
I didnt finish college but I have a nice home and a great wife and kids. I take care of them by working a job plus I own my own business. I bust my ass to have nice things for me and my family.
I didnt have any goverment programs to help me....I got off my as and worked. WORK WILL SET YOU FREE. Their is ALWAYS a job to find you just need to hustle. It may not be the IDEAL job but its a job.

acoustic guy

Byrnzie wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

In Atlantic City in the late 90's they decided they wanted more blacks to be Firemen so they "CHANGED" the test making it more geared towards minorities. (Another words, easier) Well guess what, they still did not pass, and the ones that did did very poorly compaired to the whites trying to pass. Because of this the city tried to not hire anyone but received a load of shit for it in the news paper so they had to hire the white guys.

Bottom line is you hire the BEST person for the job PERIOD. Screw color. BEST person for the job. And when its a job where you are saving lives you DONT make the test easier or crying out loud!

I thought it went without saying that black people made crap firemen? Isn't that just common knowledge? It makes perfect sense why Atlantic city would feel the need to make the test easier for minority groups. Blacks have always been known to be physically and mentally inferior to whites, right? :?

So if your family was burning a your home, you would be okay with the guy who could not pass the real firemens test to save them? Wow....not me!

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

WORK WILL SET YOU FREE.

Work can also kill you, or reduce you to a miserable slave-like existence.

acoustic guy

Byrnzie wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

WORK WILL SET YOU FREE.

Work can also kill you, or reduce you to a miserable slave-like existence.

Cant have it both ways brotha.....oh well unless you are okay with goverment handouts. :roll:

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

So if your family was burning a your home, you would be okay with the guy who could not pass the real firemens test to save them? Wow....not me!

I don't think that's what we were discussing.