Protest shows violence and hate in AZ

OnTheEdge

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

If I got stopped and they asked for papers, I would take them out of my wallet or glove box and show it to them. No big deal.

What is it that you would pull out of your wallet? You carry around your birth certificate and/or passport with you every where you go?!?!?

If it was a law....ummm, yes. Shouldn't be a problem for women, carrying purses and all.

GTFLYGIRL

mb262200 wrote:

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

If I got stopped and they asked for papers, I would take them out of my wallet or glove box and show it to them. No big deal.

What is it that you would pull out of your wallet? You carry around your birth certificate and/or passport with you every where you go?!?!?

If it was a law....ummm, yes. Shouldn't be a problem for women, carrying purses and all.

A few examples off the top of my head when i would not think it best to carry passport.... Running. Beach. Pool. I go to the beach a lot. Glad I don't have to leave my passport sitting at my blanket... and if it got stolen? Then how would I prove myself legal?

All the more reason why it seems as though an implanted AMERICAN chip would be the best way to enforce these laws... but I'm sure no one here would support THAT... Sounds so... UN-AMERICAN! :shock:

OnTheEdge

Well, if you were at the beach, pool, or jogging how would you be breaking the law to begin with. They have to have a reason to approach somebody. Speeding, running a stop sign, drug dealing, stolen car, kidapping someone, murder suspect etc.....
By the way, when your at the beach, do you wear a thong?

aerial

mb262200 wrote:

Not that hard, all you gotta do is youtube it. but here it is. By the way, you don't see this shit at any of the tea parties that you claim are so racist and violent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZDYNQEwlM

I wanted to post that one but I knew they would discredit it because it was on FOX........

OnTheEdge

aerial wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Not that hard, all you gotta do is youtube it. but here it is. By the way, you don't see this shit at any of the tea parties that you claim are so racist and violent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZDYNQEwlM

I wanted to post that one but I knew they would discredit it because it was on FOX........

I feel sorry for people that don't watch FOX
Although I haven't watched in a while. I like Becks radio show better. Him and Pat are a freakin riot.

g under p

mb262200 wrote:

I believe Gimmie is a racist......towards the white american male conservative/republican.

I'm trying to keep up with the multiple comments but this statement makes me laugh Now if I could just keep up.

Peace

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GTFLYGIRL wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

If I got stopped and they asked for papers, I would take them out of my wallet or glove box and show it to them. No big deal.

What is it that you would pull out of your wallet? You carry around your birth certificate and/or passport with you every where you go?!?!?

I bet you he won't be carrying around his birth certificate or his passport because this is not an issue that is going to impose on him very much. I might have to since I'm spending a month in (AZ) Arizona this summer.

peace

jg1988

i would much rather be inconvenienced by having to show papers...oh my god...than getting shot by a drug runner with an AK-47. how come we do not question the rights that were violated of innocent people who were killed by illegal immigrants not only in Arizona but Texas as well? so i ask again, how would all the people who oppose this legislation prevent this from happening?

GTFLYGIRL

aerial wrote:

....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....

Sounds a lot more to me like she loves the country and wants to stay true to some of the core values on which it was founded.... more like she's pledging her grievance to the flag.....

Interesting take on things... are you really a Pearl Jam fan?

I pledge my grievance to the flag
Cause you don't give blood... to take it back again
Oh we're all deserving something more
Progress,... taste it,... invest-it-all
Champagne breakfast for everyone

Break the innocent when they're proud...
Raise the stakes,... then bring em down...
If they fail to obey... oh if they fail to obey

Pledge your grievance to the flag
Cause you don't give blood... then take it back again
Oh we're all deserving something more.

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aerial wrote:

No sound answers so everyone has to deflect from the actual topic as usual..........

Huh? I'm not even sure what the topic is any more. Rest assured though, if I find out what it is I'll give you a sound answer.

aerial wrote:

No violence in the video were the people were chained to the building ok scb?....isn’t that a bit crazy to do?........are they uneducated or what? That’s no way to change the law.....looks like they just wanted to be on the news

You really should stop calling people names. You particularly shouldn't talk shit about people when you're the one making the mistakes.

In this case, it's you who is uneducated, not them. Blocking, chaining oneself to, and/or occupying a building is a common and historically significant method of civil disobedience. And civil disobedience has changed MANY laws. Ever hear of Gandhi and the independence of India from British colonial rule? Ever hear of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the American civil rights movement? Give me your address and I'll send you a history book for your birthday.

aerial

scb wrote:

aerial wrote:

I changed it because it became the point of the post...because no one wants to admit that the protest became violent......ok it was a mistake they became violent.......but I have to say the protesters are a lot like others on here by jumping to conclusion and twisting it into something it’s not.....example: the police were arresting someone so the protesters assumed the guy was innocent? Even if the guy was innocent I don’t think it is protocol to throw bottles at policemen....in fact I think that is against the law....they should have started with the tear gas when that started....but they won’t because they will then be labeled racist.... The same way people are labeled racist when they disagree with the president...

Why don't you acknowledge that the protesters in the civil disobedience video were not violent and then people will be more likely to take you seriously and discuss the bottle-throwing?

They should have started with the TEAR GAS?? Are you serious? And you wonder why people are afraid when people like you get onto a police force? They didn't throw tear gas at thousands of peaceful protesters when a couple of them threw bottles because to do so would have created an even less safe environment and violated the civil rights of the thousands of other people who did nothing wrong! And you know what? If it was the fear of being labeled as racist that is all that kept the police from tear gassing a bunch of innocent people - probably including children and the elderly - then maybe that fear is a good thing.

and one of those water bottles could have hit A LITTLE KID ALSO...OR PUT OUT SOMEONES EYE.....BUT YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE VIOLENT... WHY?

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scb wrote:

aerial wrote:

No sound answers so everyone has to deflect from the actual topic as usual..........

Huh? I'm not even sure what the topic is any more. Rest assured though, if I find out what it is I'll give you a sound answer.

aerial wrote:

No violence in the video were the people were chained to the building ok scb?....isn’t that a bit crazy to do?........are they uneducated or what? That’s no way to change the law.....looks like they just wanted to be on the news

You really should stop calling people names. You particularly shouldn't talk shit about people when you're the one making the mistakes.

In this case, it's you who is uneducated, not them. Blocking, chaining oneself to, and/or occupying a building is a common and historically significant method of civil disobedience. And civil disobedience has changed MANY laws. Ever hear of Gandhi and the independence of Indian from British colonial rule? Ever hear of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the American civil rights movement? Give me your address and I'll send you a history book for your birthday.

I'm pretty sure though that if the Tea Party people chose to use this form of civil disobedience she wouldn't have a problem with it. We used this method in protesting the Vietnam War, Civil Rights SitIn in Greensboro NC. You do remember the time when in our American History we (when I say we I mean white people) refused to serve people of color at lunch counters. They chose to sitin until served, they weren't and were spit on, food poured on and finally arrested. It worked as the sitins caught on and businesses started to lose money around the South.

So civil disobedience does work and can work, one of the BEST American ways of protesting.

Peace

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aerial wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

aerial wrote:

I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....

You are very delusional at times

why do you immigrants are the only ones breaking laws?

I bet that all of us this board pick and choose what laws to obey and break on a daily basis.

Have you drove to fast in your car, jay walked, turned without your blinker, maybe drove after one to many beers, let your dog shit on someone's lawn and left it there, realized that a cashier didn't charge you for something but still walked out the door with it..... the list goes on,

I suspect that you break at least one of those daily, why do you have disregard for the law?

I never said immigrants are the only ones breaking the law....what I am trying to say is some on here are giving them a pass to break the law...yet when there is a Tea Party protest completly non-violent and no laws broken they still get accused of hate and violence and called names that surely are unwarranted
example:
Low IQ’s
dumb
puppets
racist
bigots
uncle toms
1) Tetley Testes

(2) Cranial bean baggers

(3) Earl Grey Scrotumfaces

(4) Balls on Face Party

Since your original comment was about me and now you've clarified what you meant, I'll reply by challenging you to provide one example of a post where I either said immigrants should be allowed to break the law or hurled blanket, unwarranted insults at the Tea Party as a whole. (Balls on Face Party? Really?? Does that even sound remotely like something I would say? :roll: )

I don't know what your problem is, but you keep making all these claims against me and not once have you ever demonstrated that anything you've said is true. So if you're going to stick with your MO of insulting me when you don't have a valid rebuttal, please have at least some ability to support your claims.

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mb262200 wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Exactly...
For example, if a law like this was envoked in BC against people who seemed like they could be "illegal immigrants" my father would have to carry around papers, my boyfriend would have to carry around papers, my boss would have to carry around papers, my coworker would have to carry around papers, one of my best friends would have to carry around papers.... the list goes on, and all would be stopped just because they LOOK lke they "may" be illegal...
japanese Guatemalan Indian Filipino Chinese... they all are legal but could be stopped and harassed. that's not fair at all.

They would not be stopped just because of what they look like. The law states that if they are pulled over questioned about anything they were doing, like speeding or whatever, they have a right to ask for proof of citizenship. And you make it sound like everyone is going to have to carry a briefcase around with them. I think people are being a little over-dramatic. If I got stopped and they asked for papers, I would take them out of my wallet or glove box and show it to them. No big deal.

Sounds familiar:

Invisible privilege is what you’re experiencing when you tell someone outside your race, gender, class, etc., “I don’t know why you’recomplaining; the system works just fine for for me.”

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mb262200 wrote:

I believe Gimmie is a racist......towards the white american male conservative/republican.

I'm pretty sure he IS a white American male. And I'm pretty sure conservative Republicans aren't a race.

GTFLYGIRL

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mb262200 wrote:

Not that hard, all you gotta do is youtube it. but here it is. By the way, you don't see this shit at any of the tea parties that you claim are so racist and violent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZDYNQEwlM

Why all the comparisons of the Tea Parties to the protesters of the AZ law? What's the point? Do you actually think if one group does something wrong then the other group is automatically exalted? It sounds like little kids at a playground. One kid calls someone names and gets in trouble for it and then when another kid trips someone the first kid says, "Oh yeah? Well HE tripped someone!!" as if that means it's now okay for him to continue to call people names. Where's the grown up logic here?

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mb262200 wrote:

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

If I got stopped and they asked for papers, I would take them out of my wallet or glove box and show it to them. No big deal.

What is it that you would pull out of your wallet? You carry around your birth certificate and/or passport with you every where you go?!?!?

If it was a law....ummm, yes. Shouldn't be a problem for women, carrying purses and all.

Really? Carrying around my original birth certificate, which is fragile and should be kept in a safe deposit box, and doesn't fit in a wallet (no, I cannot get a wallet-sized one) should not be a problem? Really?? You don't see how this could easily lead to damage or theft of the document? I frequently don't carry purses or wallets when I go out anyway. I can just see myself now at a fancy dinner in my little black dress with no pockets (which I don't need anyway because I'm not buying or driving), having to carry around my fucking birth certificate. If the government wants me to carry mine around, they'd better buy me a nice clutch to match every one of my nice dresses.

haffajappa

Hey so, what happens if I'm carrying around my docs, get mugged, purse gets stolen, go to police, they ask for my docs, I don't have them...

g under p

scb wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

What is it that you would pull out of your wallet? You carry around your birth certificate and/or passport with you every where you go?!?!?

If it was a law....ummm, yes. Shouldn't be a problem for women, carrying purses and all.

Really? Carrying around my original birth certificate, which is fragile and should be kept in a safe deposit box, and doesn't fit in a wallet (no, I cannot get a wallet-sized one) should not be a problem? Really?? You don't see how this could easily lead to damage or theft of the document? I frequently don't carry purses or wallets when I go out anyway. I can just see myself now at a fancy dinner in my little black dress with no pockets (which I don't need anyway because I'm not buying or driving), having to carry around my fucking birth certificate. If the government wants me to carry mine around, they'd better buy me a nice clutch to match every one of my nice dresses.

That's right and you should be treated like a lady in those nice dresses.

Peace