There is no issue with paying for AMERICANS to be on welfare, since there will always be a percentage of the population in any country in poverty, even the wealthiest country in the world. I do not like the idea of having illegal immigrants who do NOT pay into the system getting benefits. I think its just to easy and convenient for you to pin anyone who disagrees with your views as a racist. Its a good tactic, but has no basis.
they DO pay into the system. when they buy goods and services they pay sales taxes and when they get their paycheck they have taxes taken out of that AND if they are here illegally that means they can't file their taxes so instead of receiving a refund the government keeps all that money.....so what are YOU paying into that they aren't?
Yeah, seems like he has it backwards. They DO pay into the system and they are NOT allowed to get most benefits. I'd love to hear about all these benefits illegal immigrants are supposedly given.
When you see this, what emotion does it evoke within you? Anger and hatred? You don't "feel for" these young people willing to be handcuffed arrested and prosecuted because they see how this law will effect their little brothers and sisters (i.e. think how horrible.... if they were born here in the US to "illegals" and end up parentless...) their parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends.... and more... harassed, living in fear....etc..... the implicit racism...You don't "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just?
Reminds me of a song from the most socially conscious band I know. A band that encourages their listeners and their fans to support causes they believe in and use the "power of the people" to fight social injustice... A band of activists...
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I will light the match this morning, so I won't be alone
Watch as she lies silent, for soon light will be gone
Oh I will stand arms outstretched, pretend I'm free to roam
Oh I will make my way, through, one more day in...hell
How much difference does it make
How much difference does it make...
I will hold the candle, till it burns up my arm
I'll keep takin' punches, until their will grows tired
Oh I will stare the sun down, until my eyes go blind
Hey I won't change direction, and I won't change my mind
how much difference does it make
how much difference does it make..
how much difference...
I'll swallow poison, until I grow immune
I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room
How much difference
How much difference
How much difference does it make
How much difference does it make...
I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.
I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
you play it with nearly every post...the white american male supremacy card...[/quot
So let me make sure I got this right.
If I don't support the release of terorists from gitmo....i'm a racist.
If I support searching certain people at airports because they fit a profile....i'm a racist.
If I don't support ILLEGAL immigration rights in America.....i'm a racist.
If I support smaller government and less government spending......i'm a racist.
If I don't support Obama and all he does.....i'm a racist.
And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.
How about you stop calling people a racist just because they do not fucking agree with YOU!
ok, you are putting words in my mouth. it matters not if people agree with me or not. how about you stop defending this racist law for once? i never talked about most of those things you accuse me of, and i do not have to defend myself or clarify my position on the six things you allege me to have said but i will anyway so i can make it abundently clear to you where i stand, ok?
point one- gitmo. no you are not a racist if you do not support releasing CONVICTED terrorists at gitmo. fact is, most of them have not been charged with anything or had trials so their guilt has not been established. if you support locking people up without charge for eternity you are not racist, but a sadist, and you are wiping your own ass with the constitution that you claim to care so much about, yet do not apply it to everyone...so much for equal protection and unreasonable punishment.....
point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
point three- if you do not support them having rights then you are a selfish prick. america is not just your land. it is everyone's. this was not your land either my friend, your relatives and ancestors came here as immigrants as well. imagine if they were told to leave and not come back. where would you be living now? if they come here and work they should have the chance to become lawful citizens, and you should not have the right to try to take that away from them.
point four- no that does not make you a racist and i never said it did.. where are you pulling this out from?
point five- technically that does not make you a racist unless you disagree because he is african american. if you disagree because he is black or you feel like he is not an american citizen then that makes people not only a racist, but stupid as well.
point six- no but if you post with such impunity and hatred like unsung does that can make you a racist. when you or anyone else espouses how much better they think they are based on their culture and skin color it is racism. stop accusing me of playing the race card when you play the hatred card. deal?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
two questions
1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
two questions
1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?
1. depends on your criteria for profiling. if you are profiling a serial killer for part of an investigation it is ok because there are standard things that they all have in common, thus the "profile" that the suspect fits.. if you are stopping a certain ethnic group for increased scrutiny based on skin color or or any other cultural basis its not ok. either everyone is searched equally with the same scrutiny or nobody has increased scrutiny. that is the only fair way to do it, and this bill would not be racist then. the only reason people are up in arms is because LEGAL immigrants and CITIZENS of hispanic descent are now left wide open to increased scrutiny and shakedowns based on how they look and nothing else. and that is wrong in this country and its wrong in every other country on the planet.
2. this is a bad example and is not really relevent here. there are all types of american citizens, african americans, caucasions, asian americans, etc, china is a communist country and they are going to do whatever they want to do. we can't change it, but ethically they should not be racially profiling either. america claims to be the land of opportunity, china is not, so if america is going to continue to claim to be the land of opportunity it should be held to a higher standard than a country like china.....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.
I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
two questions
1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?
If you're making an analogy, are you referring to the American-looking Chinese people?
I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.
I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.
Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
off topic...what school are you going to?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.
I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?
Throwing rocks would CLEARLY be violent. You can be killed by rocks however I'm not so sure about water bottles.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.
I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?
:roll: The video in question is not one of people throwing bottles, but one of people peacefully chained to a state government building as an act of civil disobedience. You must have watched it because you posted it and you even labeled it "calling for civil disobedience". I don't see why you keep trying to pretend that something happened in this video that did not happen when we are all able to watch it and see for ourselves that you are full of shit. :?
It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?
Throwing rocks would CLEARLY be violent. You can be killed by rocks however I'm not so sure about water bottles.
Peace
Please note that NO THROWING OF BOTTLES OCCURRED during the making of the video in question.
What the hell are you talking about? You can't just fault people for not commenting on something they don't know about - and then still not tell them!
Also, Jason, much of the AZ police force is also protesting this bill.
Sorry I assumed since you were taking up for the illegals you would stay informed ......I mean you, gimme and some others on here know all about the Tea Party and you don’t even support that cause..... so it would just make sense that you would keep informed on this issue that you agree with :oops:
This was the only media that I could find that coverd it
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
What the hell are you talking about? You can't just fault people for not commenting on something they don't know about - and then still not tell them!
Also, Jason, much of the AZ police force is also protesting this bill.
Sorry I assumed since you were taking up for the illegals you would stay informed ......I mean you, gimme and some others on here know all about the Tea Party and you don’t even support that cause..... so it would just make sense that you would keep informed on this issue that you agree with :oops:
This was the only media that I could find that coverd it
And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.
Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
off topic...what school are you going to?
scb.....Why do you ask
I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
off topic...what school are you going to?
scb.....Why do you ask
I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....
Wow, Hates this country now how did you come up with that statement?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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So there was a misunderstanding with the protesters/police and water bottles were thrown a MISTAKE. Surly you understand a mistake right sort of like when you wrote AR thinking that was the abbreviation for Arizona (AZ) which you quietly changed to the correct abbreviation.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....
I don't think I've ever said this to anyone more than I've said it to you but, what the hell are you talking about?? I don't have a bad taste for America or its citizens. The only ones I have a bad taste for are the ignorant and harmful ones who themselves have a bad taste for many of their fellow Americans. And total disrespect for the law?? Huh??? I don't pick and choose which laws I want to follow... I follow the law and I have no idea why you would think you know otherwise. And just because some people have to be taught their ideas from Fox news and Tea Party rallies doesn't mean you need to look to my school to find out where my ideas came from. And even if you did think I hated this country, how can you honestly say I'm the only one? There are many, many people on this board who have expressed sentiments similar to mine. So, again, I ask you, What the fuck are you talking about?????
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I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....
Wow, Hates this country now how did you come up with that statement?
Peace
I'd love to know that too. I'd also love to know more about this poor guy who she caulked! :shock:
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are you talking to me?[/quote]
ya tough guy.[/quote]
:roll:
there is a quote feature you know, so people can tell who you are talking to...
search my posts and point out any racism against people of color. i dare you because you will find none...[/quote]
double dog dare?
Yeah, seems like he has it backwards. They DO pay into the system and they are NOT allowed to get most benefits. I'd love to hear about all these benefits illegal immigrants are supposedly given.
I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.
I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
ok, you are putting words in my mouth. it matters not if people agree with me or not. how about you stop defending this racist law for once? i never talked about most of those things you accuse me of, and i do not have to defend myself or clarify my position on the six things you allege me to have said but i will anyway so i can make it abundently clear to you where i stand, ok?
point one- gitmo. no you are not a racist if you do not support releasing CONVICTED terrorists at gitmo. fact is, most of them have not been charged with anything or had trials so their guilt has not been established. if you support locking people up without charge for eternity you are not racist, but a sadist, and you are wiping your own ass with the constitution that you claim to care so much about, yet do not apply it to everyone...so much for equal protection and unreasonable punishment.....
point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
point three- if you do not support them having rights then you are a selfish prick. america is not just your land. it is everyone's. this was not your land either my friend, your relatives and ancestors came here as immigrants as well. imagine if they were told to leave and not come back. where would you be living now? if they come here and work they should have the chance to become lawful citizens, and you should not have the right to try to take that away from them.
point four- no that does not make you a racist and i never said it did.. where are you pulling this out from?
point five- technically that does not make you a racist unless you disagree because he is african american. if you disagree because he is black or you feel like he is not an american citizen then that makes people not only a racist, but stupid as well.
point six- no but if you post with such impunity and hatred like unsung does that can make you a racist. when you or anyone else espouses how much better they think they are based on their culture and skin color it is racism. stop accusing me of playing the race card when you play the hatred card. deal?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
ya tough guy.[/quote]
:roll:
there is a quote feature you know, so people can tell who you are talking to...
search my posts and point out any racism against people of color. i dare you because you will find none...[/quote]
double dog dare?[/quote]
then don't. doesn't matter to me.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?
2. this is a bad example and is not really relevent here. there are all types of american citizens, african americans, caucasions, asian americans, etc, china is a communist country and they are going to do whatever they want to do. we can't change it, but ethically they should not be racially profiling either. america claims to be the land of opportunity, china is not, so if america is going to continue to claim to be the land of opportunity it should be held to a higher standard than a country like china.....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
When are they given tax ID numbers, how are these numbers used to legally obtain benefits, and what benefits are you referring to?
If you're making an analogy, are you referring to the American-looking Chinese people?
Throwing rocks would CLEARLY be violent. You can be killed by rocks however I'm not so sure about water bottles.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
:roll: The video in question is not one of people throwing bottles, but one of people peacefully chained to a state government building as an act of civil disobedience. You must have watched it because you posted it and you even labeled it "calling for civil disobedience". I don't see why you keep trying to pretend that something happened in this video that did not happen when we are all able to watch it and see for ourselves that you are full of shit. :?
Why do you ask?
Please note that NO THROWING OF BOTTLES OCCURRED during the making of the video in question.
??? :?
Repeat for you, aerial.
Throwing water bottles at police that was trying to help them...
http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/tension-escalates-during-all-day-protest-against-sb-1070/2391722792/?icid=VIDURVNWS03
this is the one I was trying to enlarge
Wow, Hates this country now how did you come up with that statement?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So there was a misunderstanding with the protesters/police and water bottles were thrown a MISTAKE. Surly you understand a mistake right sort of like when you wrote AR thinking that was the abbreviation for Arizona (AZ) which you quietly changed to the correct abbreviation.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I don't think I've ever said this to anyone more than I've said it to you but, what the hell are you talking about?? I don't have a bad taste for America or its citizens. The only ones I have a bad taste for are the ignorant and harmful ones who themselves have a bad taste for many of their fellow Americans. And total disrespect for the law?? Huh??? I don't pick and choose which laws I want to follow... I follow the law and I have no idea why you would think you know otherwise. And just because some people have to be taught their ideas from Fox news and Tea Party rallies doesn't mean you need to look to my school to find out where my ideas came from. And even if you did think I hated this country, how can you honestly say I'm the only one? There are many, many people on this board who have expressed sentiments similar to mine. So, again, I ask you, What the fuck are you talking about?????
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Yeah... and did you see the one I enlarged?? Because that's the one me and GTFLYGIRL were talking about in the posts you responded to.
I'd love to know that too. I'd also love to know more about this poor guy who she caulked! :shock: