Protest shows violence and hate in AZ

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  • _
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    mb262200 wrote:
    And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.

    Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
  • _
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    jasongoz wrote:
    they are given benefits by using tax id numbers, which do not correlate to social security numbers.

    When are they given tax ID numbers, how are these numbers used to legally obtain benefits, and what benefits are you referring to?
  • _
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    aerial wrote:
    point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
    two questions

    1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
    2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?

    If you're making an analogy, are you referring to the American-looking Chinese people?
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    scb wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.

    I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
    but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
    I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
    It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...

    It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
    Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    scb wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.

    Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
    off topic...what school are you going to?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.

    I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
    but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
    I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
    It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...

    It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
    Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?

    Throwing rocks would CLEARLY be violent. You can be killed by rocks however I'm not so sure about water bottles.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jg1988
    jg1988 Posts: 181
    how do we enforce and prevent illegal immigration other than this method?
  • _
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    edited May 2010
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.

    I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
    but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
    I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
    It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...

    It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
    Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?

    :roll: The video in question is not one of people throwing bottles, but one of people peacefully chained to a state government building as an act of civil disobedience. You must have watched it because you posted it and you even labeled it "calling for civil disobedience". I don't see why you keep trying to pretend that something happened in this video that did not happen when we are all able to watch it and see for ourselves that you are full of shit. :?
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  • _
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    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.

    Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
    off topic...what school are you going to?

    Why do you ask?
  • _
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    g under p wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.
    Throwing water bottles at police men is not violent?

    Throwing rocks would CLEARLY be violent. You can be killed by rocks however I'm not so sure about water bottles.

    Peace

    Please note that NO THROWING OF BOTTLES OCCURRED during the making of the video in question.
  • _
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    scb wrote:
    jasongoz wrote:
    they are given benefits by using tax id numbers, which do not correlate to social security numbers.

    When are they given tax ID numbers, how are these numbers used to legally obtain benefits, and what benefits are you referring to?

    ??? :?
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    What the hell are you talking about? You can't just fault people for not commenting on something they don't know about - and then still not tell them!

    Also, Jason, much of the AZ police force is also protesting this bill.

    Sorry I assumed since you were taking up for the illegals you would stay informed ......I mean you, gimme and some others on here know all about the Tea Party and you don’t even support that cause..... so it would just make sense that you would keep informed on this issue that you agree with :oops:

    This was the only media that I could find that coverd it

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/immigration_protest_small_riot_042310

    Why are they covering their face?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9Xyer7GTY



    fo9x
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9Xyer7GTY
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/arizon ... IDURVNWS02

    Calling for civil disobedience
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/students-arrested-at-az-state-capitol-opposing-sb-1070/2316714669/?icid=VIDURVNWS04

    Tension escalates during all-day protest
    Throwing water bottles at police that was trying to help them...
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/tension-escalates-during-all-day-protest-against-sb-1070/2391722792/?icid=VIDURVNWS03
    Repeat for you SCB
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • _
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    aerial wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    What the hell are you talking about? You can't just fault people for not commenting on something they don't know about - and then still not tell them!

    Also, Jason, much of the AZ police force is also protesting this bill.

    Sorry I assumed since you were taking up for the illegals you would stay informed ......I mean you, gimme and some others on here know all about the Tea Party and you don’t even support that cause..... so it would just make sense that you would keep informed on this issue that you agree with :oops:

    This was the only media that I could find that coverd it

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/immigration_protest_small_riot_042310

    Why are they covering their face?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9Xyer7GTY



    fo9x
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9Xyer7GTY
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/arizon ... IDURVNWS02

    Calling for civil disobedience
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/students-arrested-at-az-state-capitol-opposing-sb-1070/2316714669/?icid=VIDURVNWS04

    Tension escalates during all-day protest
    Throwing water bottles at police that was trying to help them...
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/tension-escalates-during-all-day-protest-against-sb-1070/2391722792/?icid=VIDURVNWS03
    Repeat for you SCB

    Repeat for you, aerial.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.

    Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
    off topic...what school are you going to?
    scb.....Why do you ask
    I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Tension escalates during all-day protest
    Throwing water bottles at police that was trying to help them...
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/tension-escalates-during-all-day-protest-against-sb-1070/2391722792/?icid=VIDURVNWS03

    this is the one I was trying to enlarge
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    aerial wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Question: Do you acknowledge the unearned privilege conferred upon you as a white American male?
    off topic...what school are you going to?
    scb.....Why do you ask
    I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....

    Wow, Hates this country now how did you come up with that statement?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    aerial wrote:
    Tension escalates during all-day protest
    Throwing water bottles at police that was trying to help them...
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/tension-escalates-during-all-day-protest-against-sb-1070/2391722792/?icid=VIDURVNWS03

    this is the one I was trying to enlarge

    So there was a misunderstanding with the protesters/police and water bottles were thrown a MISTAKE. Surly you understand a mistake right sort of like when you wrote AR thinking that was the abbreviation for Arizona (AZ) which you quietly changed to the correct abbreviation.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • _
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    aerial wrote:
    I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....

    I don't think I've ever said this to anyone more than I've said it to you but, what the hell are you talking about?? I don't have a bad taste for America or its citizens. The only ones I have a bad taste for are the ignorant and harmful ones who themselves have a bad taste for many of their fellow Americans. And total disrespect for the law?? Huh??? I don't pick and choose which laws I want to follow... I follow the law and I have no idea why you would think you know otherwise. And just because some people have to be taught their ideas from Fox news and Tea Party rallies doesn't mean you need to look to my school to find out where my ideas came from. And even if you did think I hated this country, how can you honestly say I'm the only one? There are many, many people on this board who have expressed sentiments similar to mine. So, again, I ask you, What the fuck are you talking about?????
    :? :? :? :? :?
  • _
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    aerial wrote:
    Tension escalates during all-day protest
    Throwing water bottles at police that was trying to help them...
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/tension-escalates-during-all-day-protest-against-sb-1070/2391722792/?icid=VIDURVNWS03

    this is the one I was trying to enlarge

    Yeah... and did you see the one I enlarged?? Because that's the one me and GTFLYGIRL were talking about in the posts you responded to.
  • _
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    g under p wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I’m just wondering were the bad taste for America and its citizen comes from? And the total disrespect for the law....who is teaching you that you can pick and choose which laws you want to follow?.....I have only come across one other person in my life time that hates this country as much as you and I caulked that up to his youth....

    Wow, Hates this country now how did you come up with that statement?

    Peace

    I'd love to know that too. I'd also love to know more about this poor guy who she caulked! :shock:

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