Protest shows violence and hate in AZ

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  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    edited May 2010
    edit... sorry :?
    Post edited by GTFLYGIRL on
  • jg1988
    jg1988 Posts: 181
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    jasongoz wrote:
    brown people? surely you are not racist.
    are you talking to me?


    ya tough guy.
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    GTFLYGIRL wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    How about you stop calling people a racist just because they do not fucking agree with YOU!

    Hey... it's the name-caller calling people out for calling people names!! :roll:

    Ah... the hypocrisy... :lol:


    Care to point out where I have called someone a name.
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    mb262200 wrote:
    GTFLYGIRL wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    How about you stop calling people a racist just because they do not fucking agree with YOU!

    Hey... it's the name-caller calling people out for calling people names!! :roll:

    Ah... the hypocrisy... :lol:


    Care to point out where I have called someone a name.


    HEY. Sincerest of apologies. I take it back. It wasn't you... Someone was taking some pop-shots with the name calling and i misspoke :oops: :shock:

    i edited the post.... Thanks for pointing it out. 8-)
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    mb262200 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    LOL

    Way to play the race card.
    you play it with nearly every post...the white american male supremacy card...[/quot

    So let me make sure I got this right.
    If I don't support the release of terorists from gitmo....i'm a racist.
    If I support searching certain people at airports because they fit a profile....i'm a racist.
    If I don't support ILLEGAL immigration rights in America.....i'm a racist.
    If I support smaller government and less government spending......i'm a racist.
    If I don't support Obama and all he does.....i'm a racist.
    And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.

    How about you stop calling people a racist just because they do not fucking agree with YOU!

    What are you talking about?? When did he say all of that?

    And how many times do we have to explain that this law promotes racism against LEGAL Hispanics??? It's the fact that some of you so easily ignore this that makes you seem like racists to me.
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    I don't know....would you explain it again please.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    mb262200 wrote:
    I don't know....would you explain it again please.

    It's not only illegal immigrants who will be harassed for papers. It's anyone who APPEARS to be an illegal immigrant. That includes LEGAL immigrants and US CITIZENS.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    scb wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    I don't know....would you explain it again please.

    It's not only illegal immigrants who will be harassed for papers. It's anyone who APPEARS to be an illegal immigrant. That includes LEGAL immigrants and US CITIZENS.
    Exactly...
    For example, if a law like this was envoked in BC against people who seemed like they could be "illegal immigrants" my father would have to carry around papers, my boyfriend would have to carry around papers, my boss would have to carry around papers, my coworker would have to carry around papers, one of my best friends would have to carry around papers.... the list goes on, and all would be stopped just because they LOOK lke they "may" be illegal...
    japanese Guatemalan Indian Filipino Chinese... they all are legal but could be stopped and harassed. that's not fair at all.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    jasongoz wrote:
    There is no issue with paying for AMERICANS to be on welfare, since there will always be a percentage of the population in any country in poverty, even the wealthiest country in the world. I do not like the idea of having illegal immigrants who do NOT pay into the system getting benefits. I think its just to easy and convenient for you to pin anyone who disagrees with your views as a racist. Its a good tactic, but has no basis.


    they DO pay into the system. when they buy goods and services they pay sales taxes and when they get their paycheck they have taxes taken out of that AND if they are here illegally that means they can't file their taxes so instead of receiving a refund the government keeps all that money.....so what are YOU paying into that they aren't?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    jasongoz wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    jasongoz wrote:
    brown people? surely you are not racist.
    are you talking to me?


    ya tough guy.
    :roll:

    there is a quote feature you know, so people can tell who you are talking to...

    search my posts and point out any racism against people of color. i dare you because you will find none...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jg1988
    jg1988 Posts: 181
    surely you are not racist.[/quote]
    are you talking to me?[/quote]


    ya tough guy.[/quote]
    :roll:

    there is a quote feature you know, so people can tell who you are talking to...

    search my posts and point out any racism against people of color. i dare you because you will find none...[/quote]

    double dog dare?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    edited May 2010
    EDIT: Posted in wrong thread.
    Post edited by _ on
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    jasongoz wrote:
    There is no issue with paying for AMERICANS to be on welfare, since there will always be a percentage of the population in any country in poverty, even the wealthiest country in the world. I do not like the idea of having illegal immigrants who do NOT pay into the system getting benefits. I think its just to easy and convenient for you to pin anyone who disagrees with your views as a racist. Its a good tactic, but has no basis.


    they DO pay into the system. when they buy goods and services they pay sales taxes and when they get their paycheck they have taxes taken out of that AND if they are here illegally that means they can't file their taxes so instead of receiving a refund the government keeps all that money.....so what are YOU paying into that they aren't?

    Yeah, seems like he has it backwards. They DO pay into the system and they are NOT allowed to get most benefits. I'd love to hear about all these benefits illegal immigrants are supposedly given.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    GTFLYGIRL wrote:
    Hey aerial... I'm curious as to why you posted this....
    http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/studen ... IDURVNWS04

    When you see this, what emotion does it evoke within you? Anger and hatred? You don't "feel for" these young people willing to be handcuffed arrested and prosecuted because they see how this law will effect their little brothers and sisters (i.e. think how horrible.... if they were born here in the US to "illegals" and end up parentless...) their parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends.... and more... harassed, living in fear....etc..... the implicit racism...You don't "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just?

    Reminds me of a song from the most socially conscious band I know. A band that encourages their listeners and their fans to support causes they believe in and use the "power of the people" to fight social injustice... A band of activists...
    .

    .

    .
    I will light the match this morning, so I won't be alone
    Watch as she lies silent, for soon light will be gone
    Oh I will stand arms outstretched, pretend I'm free to roam
    Oh I will make my way, through, one more day in...hell

    How much difference does it make
    How much difference does it make...

    I will hold the candle, till it burns up my arm
    I'll keep takin' punches, until their will grows tired
    Oh I will stare the sun down, until my eyes go blind
    Hey I won't change direction, and I won't change my mind

    how much difference does it make
    how much difference does it make..
    how much difference...

    I'll swallow poison, until I grow immune
    I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room

    How much difference
    How much difference
    How much difference does it make
    How much difference does it make...


    I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.

    I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
    but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
    I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
    It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    mb262200 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    LOL

    Way to play the race card.
    you play it with nearly every post...the white american male supremacy card...[/quot

    So let me make sure I got this right.
    If I don't support the release of terorists from gitmo....i'm a racist.
    If I support searching certain people at airports because they fit a profile....i'm a racist.
    If I don't support ILLEGAL immigration rights in America.....i'm a racist.
    If I support smaller government and less government spending......i'm a racist.
    If I don't support Obama and all he does.....i'm a racist.
    And.....if I am a white american male........i'm a racist.

    How about you stop calling people a racist just because they do not fucking agree with YOU!

    ok, you are putting words in my mouth. it matters not if people agree with me or not. how about you stop defending this racist law for once? i never talked about most of those things you accuse me of, and i do not have to defend myself or clarify my position on the six things you allege me to have said but i will anyway so i can make it abundently clear to you where i stand, ok?

    point one- gitmo. no you are not a racist if you do not support releasing CONVICTED terrorists at gitmo. fact is, most of them have not been charged with anything or had trials so their guilt has not been established. if you support locking people up without charge for eternity you are not racist, but a sadist, and you are wiping your own ass with the constitution that you claim to care so much about, yet do not apply it to everyone...so much for equal protection and unreasonable punishment.....

    point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.

    point three- if you do not support them having rights then you are a selfish prick. america is not just your land. it is everyone's. this was not your land either my friend, your relatives and ancestors came here as immigrants as well. imagine if they were told to leave and not come back. where would you be living now? if they come here and work they should have the chance to become lawful citizens, and you should not have the right to try to take that away from them.

    point four- no that does not make you a racist and i never said it did.. where are you pulling this out from?

    point five- technically that does not make you a racist unless you disagree because he is african american. if you disagree because he is black or you feel like he is not an american citizen then that makes people not only a racist, but stupid as well.

    point six- no but if you post with such impunity and hatred like unsung does that can make you a racist. when you or anyone else espouses how much better they think they are based on their culture and skin color it is racism. stop accusing me of playing the race card when you play the hatred card. deal?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    jasongoz wrote:
    surely you are not racist.
    are you talking to me?[/quote]


    ya tough guy.[/quote]
    :roll:

    there is a quote feature you know, so people can tell who you are talking to...

    search my posts and point out any racism against people of color. i dare you because you will find none...[/quote]

    double dog dare?[/quote]



    then don't. doesn't matter to me.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jg1988
    jg1988 Posts: 181
    they are given benefits by using tax id numbers, which do not correlate to social security numbers.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
    two questions

    1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
    2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    aerial wrote:
    point two- if you support racial profiling you are a racist. plain and simple. if you single out certain groups of people for increased scrutiny based on the color of their skin you are a racist. that is pretty much the definition of racial profiling, and racism is is also defined within that definiton.
    two questions

    1.Is just "PROFILING" ok?
    2.How about this.....Say China has an influx if American people there illegally in the country....would it make sense to stop Chinese people to check their citizenship?
    1. depends on your criteria for profiling. if you are profiling a serial killer for part of an investigation it is ok because there are standard things that they all have in common, thus the "profile" that the suspect fits.. if you are stopping a certain ethnic group for increased scrutiny based on skin color or or any other cultural basis its not ok. either everyone is searched equally with the same scrutiny or nobody has increased scrutiny. that is the only fair way to do it, and this bill would not be racist then. the only reason people are up in arms is because LEGAL immigrants and CITIZENS of hispanic descent are now left wide open to increased scrutiny and shakedowns based on how they look and nothing else. and that is wrong in this country and its wrong in every other country on the planet.

    2. this is a bad example and is not really relevent here. there are all types of american citizens, african americans, caucasions, asian americans, etc, china is a communist country and they are going to do whatever they want to do. we can't change it, but ethically they should not be racially profiling either. america claims to be the land of opportunity, china is not, so if america is going to continue to claim to be the land of opportunity it should be held to a higher standard than a country like china.....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t feel sorry for them at the same time I have no ill will toward them. I just posted this to see what opinion’s people had about this violent protest.

    I do "feel for them" for having the courage to stand up in such a way, for what they believe is right and just.....and I would not make fun of them or call them names....
    but I do not like the violence that is happening ......
    I was hoping we could have a dialogue about protest in general....like why some are okay and others are not...
    It looks like on the MT it’s okay for some to believe in something....but not okay for all of us, and I just wondered why ...

    It's really hard to have any dialog about protest when you keep insisting that the people in this video are violent (which is kind of calling them names) despite the fact that CLEARLY they are not. This is the same line of reasoning and method of persuasion that is rotting our brains and ruining our country - the idea that if you say a lie enough times it will be true... or at least people will believe it.

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