The PJ sell-out debate ends here

breath123

dcfaithful wrote:

If we're truly going to debate about PJ selling out, wouldn't it be fair to note them folding in the fight against Ticketmaster? :?

Ahh pearl jam revisionist history, my favorite.

they didn't fold, they got their asses kicked and not one other powerful band at the time backed them. Their solution was to make the system work for them.

and another thing, no one ever seems to remember that there was HUGE PJ backlash and a lot of people said "shut up and play"

In my opinion, anyone who felt that way at the time needs to bow the fuck out of this discussion.

Haywood Yablomee

dcfaithful wrote:

If we're truly going to debate about PJ selling out, wouldn't it be fair to note them folding in the fight against Ticketmaster? :?

It could be worse people. Eddie could be a surprise judge on American Idol or something...

Anyway, if a band "sells out" and you don't dig what they're doing...part ways and stop following them if it's such a big deal. If you want security in your favorite band/artist not selling out, then you'd be better off following Ian MacKaye.

But they still sing the songs about NOT selling out while they have Verizon banners hanging on both sides of the stage!!!

"Never shook Satan's hand, look see for yourself. You'd know it if I had, that shit don't come off"
Apparently Ed found a pretty good hand sanatizer....

"Who set the standard, born to be rich? Such fine examples, skinny little bitch. Model, role model, roll some models in blood"
Dedicated to Jill


"Irony can be so ironic sometimes." Steven Wright

breath123

concertaholicshirt wrote:

Radiohead is an insanely popular band.

It's all subjective, but I don't know that I can agree with that. Coldplay is an insanely popular band. Radiohead has a very large VERY DEDICATED fanbase. However, I don't know that they're "and insanely popular band.

perhaps. I think I just am surrounded by rabid radiohead fans. I however, am the only one of my group who talks about PJ.

dcfaithful

breath123 wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

If we're truly going to debate about PJ selling out, wouldn't it be fair to note them folding in the fight against Ticketmaster? :?

Ahh pearl jam revisionist history, my favorite.

they didn't fold, they got their asses kicked and not one other powerful band at the time backed them. Their solution was to make the system work for them.

and another thing, no one ever seems to remember that there was HUGE PJ backlash and a lot of people said "shut up and play"

In my opinion, anyone who felt that way at the time needs to bow the fuck out of this discussion.

I agree with you, and I wouldn't have said that back in the day, but I was so young I didn't even know what the hell was going on or even knew who PJ was....I'm just providing some basis for some people to think about.

Unfortunately for PJ it seems that if they do anything seemingly bigger than just playing an area (e.g. exclusively sell their album through Target) they're labeled as sell-outs.

Sometimes I think PJ has some difficult fans to please. :?

Gibson

For anyone who thinks they have sold out, please suggest a solution (a reasonable/feasbile one) so that they won't sell out.

It's one thing to bitch; it's another to come up with solutions.

PS - they have not sold out, IMO.

Given2Fly-Fish

As I sit in my Pearl Jam/Ed shrine thinking about this thread, I have come to a conclusion.

The only sell out is the sell out who sold out the band with this sell out thread by a seller or manufacturer or consumer or processor of anything sold manufactured or processed...

breath123

JeffSide wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

If we're truly going to debate about PJ selling out, wouldn't it be fair to note them folding in the fight against Ticketmaster? :?

It could be worse people. Eddie could be a surprise judge on American Idol or something...

Anyway, if a band "sells out" and you don't dig what they're doing...part ways and stop following them if it's such a big deal. If you want security in your favorite band/artist not selling out, then you'd be better off following Ian MacKaye.

But they still sing the songs about NOT selling out while they have Verizon banners hanging on both sides of the stage!!!

"Never shook Satan's hand, look see for yourself. You'd know it if I had, that shit don't come off"
Apparently Ed found a pretty good hand sanatizer....

"Who set the standard, born to be rich? Such fine examples, skinny little bitch. Model, role model, roll some models in blood"
Dedicated to Jill


"Irony can be so ironic sometimes." Steven Wright

I am soooo glad that the films I made in college are safely tucked away in my garage. I'd hate for someone to think I'm the same person I was then. I've become a much more "even" thinker than the angry young man I was then. The art I make today reflects that growth.

The Juggler

JeffSide wrote:

Keiran wrote:

Let me start by saying I am in the same age group as Eddie and the boys. And no one loves the pissed off anti-establishment attitude of the band's early days more than me. Having said that, people grow and change, it's inevitable.

If you compared how I deal with responsibilities, solve problems and go about my daily life 20 years ago to how I function today, I would probably appear to be a major hypocrite. Fortunately for me, no one was keeping a written or video record lol!!!

Pearl Jam have grown and matured (quite gracefully I think) into early middle aged men. They have wives, children, 401k plans - all the same shit my parent's were dealing with when I was young and angst ridden myself. I swore I'd never buy into the system like my folk's did, and while I still hold many of my ideals in my heart, I'm sure I've sold out too. Cause now I have a husband, and a kid in college and a retirement plan to worry about.

It's just the way things work. It's Evolution Baby!!!!

I completely see your point (I'm in the same age group) but if thats the case the band should stop singing a good portion of their songs.
Like I've already said... It's very ironic to see Ed sing Satans Bed while his supermodel wife sits side stage under the Verizon screens.

dude...i'm sorry. but you're pathetic. just utterly pathetic. bringing in his wife? good lord. :roll:

why don't you sit the next few plays out? huh champ?

doompony

JeffSide wrote:

Dedicated to Jill

seriously dude?

badmouthing their families is not and never has been ok here. you know this. you'll get the thread locked and then start another thread about how the Mods are censoring your right to free speech?

not that he HAD to, but Ed has already addressed that. it's irrelevant to this discussion. so stop bringing it up (cuz by my count that's at least the 3rd time you have in this thread)

Haywood Yablomee

breath123 wrote:

JeffSide wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

If we're truly going to debate about PJ selling out, wouldn't it be fair to note them folding in the fight against Ticketmaster? :?

It could be worse people. Eddie could be a surprise judge on American Idol or something...

Anyway, if a band "sells out" and you don't dig what they're doing...part ways and stop following them if it's such a big deal. If you want security in your favorite band/artist not selling out, then you'd be better off following Ian MacKaye.

But they still sing the songs about NOT selling out while they have Verizon banners hanging on both sides of the stage!!!

"Never shook Satan's hand, look see for yourself. You'd know it if I had, that shit don't come off"
Apparently Ed found a pretty good hand sanatizer....

"Who set the standard, born to be rich? Such fine examples, skinny little bitch. Model, role model, roll some models in blood"
Dedicated to Jill


"Irony can be so ironic sometimes." Steven Wright

I am soooo glad that the films I made in college are safely tucked away in my garage. I'd hate for someone to think I'm the same person I was then. I've become a much more "even" thinker than the angry young man I was then. The art I make today reflects that growth.

You couldn't have said it any better!!!!
"The films you made in college are safely tucked away at college"
WHY IS PJ STILL SINGING SONGS ABOUT NOT SELLING OUT?
They wanna sell out and alienate a good % of their base. FINE!!
But RETIRE the sellout songs!!!!!

ComeToTX

breath123 wrote:

JeffSide wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

If we're truly going to debate about PJ selling out, wouldn't it be fair to note them folding in the fight against Ticketmaster? :?

It could be worse people. Eddie could be a surprise judge on American Idol or something...

Anyway, if a band "sells out" and you don't dig what they're doing...part ways and stop following them if it's such a big deal. If you want security in your favorite band/artist not selling out, then you'd be better off following Ian MacKaye.

But they still sing the songs about NOT selling out while they have Verizon banners hanging on both sides of the stage!!!

"Never shook Satan's hand, look see for yourself. You'd know it if I had, that shit don't come off"
Apparently Ed found a pretty good hand sanatizer....

"Who set the standard, born to be rich? Such fine examples, skinny little bitch. Model, role model, roll some models in blood"
Dedicated to Jill


"Irony can be so ironic sometimes." Steven Wright

I am soooo glad that the films I made in college are safely tucked away in my garage. I'd hate for someone to think I'm the same person I was then. I've become a much more "even" thinker than the angry young man I was then. The art I make today reflects that growth.

yeah, but they were saying a lot of this stuff in their mid thirties.

Haywood Yablomee

doompony wrote:

JeffSide wrote:

Dedicated to Jill

seriously dude?

badmouthing their families is not and never has been ok here. you know this. you'll get the thread locked and then start another thread about how the Mods are censoring your right to free speech?

not that he HAD to, but Ed has already addressed that. it's relevant to this discussion. so stop bringing it up (cuz by my count that's at least the 3rd time you have in this thread)

I'm not badmouthing anyone!
Ed is the one that wrote the lyrics and sings it!!!!

michelleelise

JeffSide wrote:

"Who set the standard, born to be rich? Such fine examples, skinny little bitch. Model, role model, roll some models in blood"
Dedicated to Jill

You crack yourself up going after band member's family? You're not funny.

You seem to have crawled out of the woodwork for the sole purpose of bitching about everything the band does. Crappy attitudes like this make me wish 10C would just voluntarily cancel some people's memberships...

over bends

JeffSide wrote:

You couldn't have said it any better!!!!
"The films you made in college are safely tucked away at college"
WHY IS PJ STILL SINGING SONGS ABOUT NOT SELLING OUT?
They wanna sell out and alienate a good % of their base. FINE!!
But RETIRE the sellout songs!!!!!

Any fan who'd rather never ever hear songs like Satan's Bed and Corduroy again in concert based on some weird principle is pretty fucked up if you asked me.

doompony

JeffSide wrote:

doompony wrote:

JeffSide wrote:

Dedicated to Jill

seriously dude?

badmouthing their families is not and never has been ok here. you know this. you'll get the thread locked and then start another thread about how the Mods are censoring your right to free speech?

not that he HAD to, but Ed has already addressed that. it's irrelevant to this discussion. so stop bringing it up (cuz by my count that's at least the 3rd time you have in this thread)

I'm not badmouthing anyone!
Ed is the one that wrote the lyrics and sings it!!!!

fixed my original post.. forgot the ir in irrelevant.

ed wrote that song about a specific situation as far as i'm aware - the gaggle of supermodels coming on to him while his wife at the time was there or they knew full well he was taken. hence the "i'd stop and talk but i'm already in love" chorus.

Dissidentman

I think we all need a

doompony

how is corduroy about big business? i thought it was about fame and his jacket?

Ledbetterman10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq87TMmH4ps

donnystancato

sell out or not sell outs who cares as long as the music is good, for tix prices I will just go to shows if I can afford it. It's not like it's life or death for me if PJ makes $$$ or plays corporate shows just remember they are just a band trying to stay in the new musical world. It's not 1994 anymore time change.

Haywood Yablomee

doompony wrote:

how is corduroy about big business? i thought it was about fame and his jacket?

Ya... Corduroy kicks ass!