The PJ sell-out debate ends here

pledgeagrievance

"Today 3/16/2010 – in what might be the craziest lineup the band has ever been a part of, with Shaun White, Michael Buble’, Nick Jonas, Lady Antebellum, and Norah Jones – Pearl Jam played a three-song set at (where else) the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota at Target’s National Sales Conference. Pearl Jam was last on the bill and played The Fixer, The Real Me (The Who) and Porch." (source two feet thick)

Look at the lineup along with the band. Unreal.

Ledbetterman10

whatever

MikeSig

This is arguable at best. First of all, PJ didn't choose who to play with at this event. Second of all, they had to play it because they felt they had to make a small deal with Target in order to free themselves from a major label. I wouldn't call it a sell-out just yet.

justinschanz1982

Stop bitching about them selling out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. If u dont like it go listen to that band down at the local bar who is never gonna make it and give them ur money. They are a band. This is their job as well as their passion. God Dammit Mother Fucker. So tired of everyone calling them sell outs. I guess they should just pay for all of it themselves and go broke so they cant support themselves and their families.

justinschanz1982

MikeSig wrote:

This is arguable at best. First of all, PJ didn't choose who to play with at this event. Second of all, they had to play it because they felt they had to make a small deal with Target in order to free themselves from a major label. I wouldn't call it a sell-out just yet.

Thank you its not like Eddie is doing duets with the fuckin jonas brothers on american idol

YieldToNothing

the words sell out lose meaning a short while after a person turns 22.

SoonForgotten2

MikeSig wrote:

This is arguable at best. First of all, PJ didn't choose who to play with at this event. Second of all, they had to play it because they felt they had to make a small deal with Target in order to free themselves from a major label. I wouldn't call it a sell-out just yet.

And Target made a profit from selling the album. Pearl Jam is not comprised of chattels.

stranger34

today 3/16 Pearl Jam died. it's a dark day

they'd been on life support a while though.

pledgeagrievance

Not saying I still dont love them, just saying the debate is over and has been over for a bit. Relax. and Im over 22

Suziemay

Aren't we being too harsh? I'm sure they had their reasons for playing and regardless, they've earned the right to do whatever the hell they want. As long as they keep coming by MSG now and then and offer bootlegs for sale, I'm happy!

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

they sold out a long time ago. i dont care.

i just hate when the sheeple who have rooms dedicated to their Eddie shrine get all uptight about it and try to come up with very creative reasons why they havent.

Gary Carter

so i guess pj didnt sell when they signed a contract with sony back in 90. the same contract that promised them millions and millions of dollars.

mkaye8

sell outs

Haywood Yablomee

It's truly a sad day in the history of PJ.
Although they really sold long before today, They are just shoving it in people's faces now.
A few of us are trying to put our finger on when they jumped the shark.
Some say 2006, When they brought out the lasers during the shows and Ed was drinking water out of his wine bottle at every show.
I think it was even earlier... When Jack was booted.
So after going to 100 plus shows starting at Cameo 1992, I bid PJ adu.

R.I.P.
Pearl Jam
1990-2010


...1990-1998 Ed is rolling over in his grave...

Steve Dunne

if i got to play on the same bill as norah jones i'd be there in a heartbeat!!!

pledgeagrievance

"they sold out a long time ago. i dont care.

i just hate when the sheeple who have rooms dedicated to their Eddie shrine get all uptight about it."

well said

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

its all Matt Cameron's fault! bring back Jack Irons!

joebot

I still love the shit out of them but I got killed for saying this when they sold unthought known as a narrative device for a network tv show.
Anyways we live in a world where nothings sacred, so let's just go with it and have a good time.

SoonForgotten2

metsfan wrote:

so i guess pj didnt sell when they signed a contract with sony back in 90. the same contract that promised them millions and millions of dollars.

That allowed them to play music for a living and get their music out to people. If they had to compromise their values for that, then that would be selling out, but it's 2010 and they've been at this for 20 years. Sure they can play whatever they want but it's just disheartening that this is the kind of gig they decide to do.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

well damn. if they had chosen Wal-mart, they would have had to come to the south to play! damnit. stupid Target.

Gary Carter

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

so i guess pj didnt sell when they signed a contract with sony back in 90. the same contract that promised them millions and millions of dollars.

That allowed them to play music for a living and get their music out to people. If they had to compromise their values for that, then that would be selling out, but it's 2010 and they've been at this for 20 years. Sure they can play whatever they want but it's just disheartening that this is the kind of gig they decide to do.

they coulda easily signed with sub pop 20 years ago but they went with that sony deal cause it gave them the most money and made them set for for life. again whats the difference weather it be sony. j records or target. they always were sell out and always will be sell outs. every band sells out. how many fucking ramones tshirts do you see or look at how much money fat mike from nofox is cashing in on from his record label.

they have to do this gig dude. dont you think they did this for sony over the the years. its called kissing ass sometimes if you wanna remain in good standing with a big company you have to do it. target WAS THE ONLY company that would allow pj to sell backspacer on this very site and at indie stores. you people would probably bitch had backspace not been sold on here or in the indie stores. its like pj cant win with you people.

sling

Eesh. I'm usually kind of a PJ sell-out apologist, but the Target National Sales Conference? Ugh... :shock:

Ledbetterman10

sling wrote:

Eesh. I'm usually kind of a PJ sell-out apologist, but the Target National Sales Conference? Ugh... :shock:

And I bet those guys on the Target Board of Directors get TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK for five hours

ADogNamedPilate

It was for the employees.. lucky them (the employees) if you ask me. Nothing like taking a long piss break during the other performers and coming out to see Pearl Jam rock out with three songs.

SoonForgotten2

metsfan wrote:

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

so i guess pj didnt sell when they signed a contract with sony back in 90. the same contract that promised them millions and millions of dollars.

That allowed them to play music for a living and get their music out to people. If they had to compromise their values for that, then that would be selling out, but it's 2010 and they've been at this for 20 years. Sure they can play whatever they want but it's just disheartening that this is the kind of gig they decide to do.

they coulda easily signed with sub pop 20 years ago but they went with that sony deal cause it gave them the most money and made them set for for life. again whats the difference weather it be sony. j records or target. they always were sell out and always will be sell outs. every band sells out. how many fucking ramones tshirts do you see or look at how much money fat mike from nofox is cashing in on from his record label.

they have to do this gig dude. dont you think they did this for sony over the the years. its called kissing ass sometimes if you wanna remain in good standing with a big company you have to do it. target WAS THE ONLY company that would allow pj to sell backspacer on this very site and at indie stores. you people would probably bitch had backspace not been sold on here or in the indie stores. its like pj cant win with you people.

Signing with SubPop would've never given them the security they found with Sony. I can't fault them for that. They were lucky to get such a deal in the first place considering they hadn't been together that long as a band. And again, Target made profit from selling Backspacer. It's not like they bent over backwards for Pearl Jam and lost money on the deal. Don't tell me that a millionaire band has to kiss ass and do that gig. And don't tell me they didn't get a pocketfull of money to do it.

stranger34

JeffSide wrote:

It's truly a sad day in the history of PJ.
Although they really sold long before today, They are just shoving it in people's faces now.
A few of us are trying to put our finger on when they jumped the shark.
Some say 2006, When they brought out the lasers during the shows and Ed was drinking water out of his wine bottle at every show.
I think it was even earlier... When Jack was booted.
So after going to 100 plus shows starting at Cameo 1992, I bid PJ adu.

R.I.P.
Pearl Jam
1990-2010


...1990-1998 Ed is rolling over in his grave...

1998 ed would despise 2010 ed

springsteenfan

Pearl Jam are sellouts! They will not restore credibility until they start playing prisons and half way houses.

justam

Is this a joke? I honestly can't tell whether it's meant to be serious or not. :?

goldrush

And I thought today was just going to be all about people pissing and moaning about ticket sales...

Seriously, who actually gives a fuck about this? Did anybody die? Is the world about to end? No, I didn't think so. What difference does it actually make to our lives?

Get over it.

Gary Carter

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Signing with SubPop would've never given them the security they found with Sony. I can't fault them for that. They were lucky to get such a deal in the first place considering they hadn't been together that long as a band. And again, Target made profit from selling Backspacer. It's not like they bent over backwards for Pearl Jam and lost money on the deal. Don't tell me that a millionaire band has to kiss ass and do that gig. And don't tell me they didn't get a pocketfull of money to do it.

actually a millionaire band does have to kiss ass and do gig if they want to do business with target again. its called not loosing a contact in the music world. lets not forget that pj is its own record label now. they don't have someone to back them up. it's strictly 10 club, pearl jam and curtis mangement now.

breath123

meh.