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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    mb262200 wrote:
    Hey, you can feel safer by not carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. But don't do me any favors by trying to get laws passed that's going to take my gun away. I don't care what all the reports say, I feel safer carrying. And like I said before, there isn't any law out there that is going to keep criminals from getting guns. So don't try to take them away from the people that want them for protection.
    ...
    Lose the paranoia about 'them' coming to pry your gun from your cold, dead hand scare tactic... no one is saying that and it ain't gonna happen.
    That said...
    You may feel safer carrying a gun out there... but, that makes everyone else feel less safer. Because face it, from things you have said in the past... the thought of a person like you out there with a gun in public is scary. You are the threat to our safety.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Cosmo wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    Hey, you can feel safer by not carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. But don't do me any favors by trying to get laws passed that's going to take my gun away. I don't care what all the reports say, I feel safer carrying. And like I said before, there isn't any law out there that is going to keep criminals from getting guns. So don't try to take them away from the people that want them for protection.
    ...
    Lose the paranoia about 'them' coming to pry your gun from your cold, dead hand scare tactic... no one is saying that and it ain't gonna happen.
    That said...
    You may feel safer carrying a gun out there... but, that makes everyone else feel less safer. Because face it, from things you have said in the past... the thought of a person like you out there with a gun in public is scary. You are the threat to our safety.
    I think the problem with guns is that they are so instant, and if there is that fear of paranoia then maybe those people who carry guns around afraid of their own safety might be too quick to pull the trigger. Someone puts a hand on their shoulder to let them know they dropped something while walking and they turn around and pull a weapon on them or something rash like that... paranoia does crazy things to people you never know. But you pull that trigger and it happens so fast, you take someone's life and you cant take that back.

    I agree with not wanting to live in a society where EVERYone has guns around me :shock:
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Cosmo wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    Someday you might be in a situation where your life is in danger by someone else, and you'll wish you had a gun. I never said anything about it being glorious. But if the situation does arise, you'll have a better chance in seeing another day.
    ...
    You've got me all wrong. I would never wished I had a gun because I would never take another human's life.
    If confronted with a situation as you describe... I would try to talk my way out of it. If that does not work... then, that is my fate and I accept it. I refuse to commit to fear or paranoia.
    Lose the paranoia about 'them' coming to pry your gun from your cold, dead hand scare tactic... no one is saying that and it ain't gonna happen.


    Carrying a gun is not paranoid....unless wearing a seat belt, locking your doors, or even teaching your kids not to talk to strangers can be called paranoid, Right?
    If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?....your gonna talk reason to a crazy person.....I’d say that would be the dumbest thing to do if not the most coward way to handle that situation.....
    That said...
    You may feel safer carrying a gun out there... but, that makes everyone else feel less safer. Because face it, from things you have said in the past... the thought of a person like you out there with a gun in public is scary. You are the threat to our safety.
    Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    aerial wrote:


    Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..

    Someone who doesn't carry a gun is not a coward....
    Most people where I live don't carry around guns... we seem to be doing just fine.

    ps. what are the chances of that happening anyways?
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    If i had a gun for every time someone shot up the eatery i was in...
    whew
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    haffajappa wrote:
    aerial wrote:


    Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..

    Someone who doesn't carry a gun is not a coward....
    Most people where I live don't carry around guns... we seem to be doing just fine.

    ps. what are the chances of that happening anyways?
    People that do not carry guns are not cowards, I agree. People that are not going to defend themselves or there family are cowards.....
    I does happen....not sure of the stats...but it could happen to anyone
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    haffajappa wrote:
    If i had a gun for every time someone shot up the eatery i was in...
    whew
    That was just an example of a situation that has happened....I could have used many different scenarios.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    aerial wrote:
    Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..
    this is not a shot at you or MB or anyone else, but thinking rationally, i would be willing to bet you $100 that MB and people like him would be more worried about saving his own butt than going out of his way to be a hero and save strangers because its human nature to do so. i would think that if you were saved it would have been by luck and not out of intent.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..
    this is not a shot at you or MB or anyone else, but thinking rationally, i would be willing to bet you $100 that MB and people like him would be more worried about saving his own butt than going out of his way to be a hero and save strangers because its human nature to do so. i would think that if you were saved it would have been by luck and not out of intent.
    I don't agree but lets say I do...when he saves himself, by shooting and kills the shooter he has saved me and everyone else....now if the guy that thinks he can have a discussion with the shooter is not saving himself , his family or anyone else we are more likely not to survive.......
    my point was that we are not unsafe because responsible people carry guns....and it can not be called paranoid just to own a gun.....
    Part of living is surviving.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    aerial wrote:
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    Part of living is surviving.....
    yeah dying is a part of life too...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i feel safer carrying the gun that's in my pants... :lol:

    seriously dude, nobody is trying to "take your gun away" for fucks sakes, stop it with that already please... seriously, is anybody really gonna "step" to you when you are walking down the street? i don't know where you live, but its never happend to me in 34 years of life, and i live in a heavily populated area. i am not paranoid and i do not think that there is anyone out to get me or harm me, and if they do why not just elbow them in the face?? to me carrying a gun is taking the unnecessary risk of having it go off a la plaxico burress...whenever i hear of these concealed carry guys shooting themselves i laugh....really really hard...because they took that risk when trying "to protect themselves" and it went horribly wrong...its asinine for me to think that i or anybody else NEEDS to carry a gun...

    Somewhat relevant story: My friend and I tried to go to the movies the other day. As we were walking toward the building, cop cars swarmed the place & all kinds of people came running out saying someone had just been shot in Avatar & they were evacuating. So we had to leave. Apparently, some guy in the movie was carrying a gun & it accidentally went off and shot the person next to him... while she was just sitting ing a movie theater, watching a movie... minding her own business.

    (I can already hear the replies from some of the people here: "That would NEVER happen to ME though, because I'M such a smarter, more talented, and more responsible gun owner than everyone else!"
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    aerial wrote:
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..

    There's a very fine line between responsible & irresponsible and anger & fear can quickly lead people to cross it.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
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    Part of living is surviving.....
    yeah dying is a part of life too...


    Then why so worried about people getting killed by guns? It's going to happen anyway ;)
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    edited February 2010
    haffajappa wrote:
    ps. what are the chances of that happening anyways?

    Good point. We have a much greater chance of dying from a heart attack than from a shootout, so I'd prefer to hang around with people who carry asperin & defibrilators around with them. I wonder why people who are so concerned about preventing death don't carry those things instead of or in addition to guns.

    Edit to add: The media (or something) has given us such an altered sense of risk perception!
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    scb wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    ps. what are the chances of that happening anyways?

    Good point. We have a much greater chance of dying from a heart attack than from a shootout, so I'd prefer to hang around with people who carry asperin & defibrilators around with them. I wonder why people who are so concerned about preventing death don't carry those things instead of or in addition to guns.

    Portability? At least in the defibrilator case. ;)
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    rebornFixer wrote:
    scb wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    ps. what are the chances of that happening anyways?

    Good point. We have a much greater chance of dying from a heart attack than from a shootout, so I'd prefer to hang around with people who carry asperin & defibrilators around with them. I wonder why people who are so concerned about preventing death don't carry those things instead of or in addition to guns.

    Portability? At least in the defibrilator case. ;)

    Hey, they're making them pretty compact these days!
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    Hey, you can feel safer by not carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. But don't do me any favors by trying to get laws passed that's going to take my gun away. I don't care what all the reports say, I feel safer carrying. And like I said before, there isn't any law out there that is going to keep criminals from getting guns. So don't try to take them away from the people that want them for protection.
    ...
    Lose the paranoia about 'them' coming to pry your gun from your cold, dead hand scare tactic... no one is saying that and it ain't gonna happen.
    That said...
    You may feel safer carrying a gun out there... but, that makes everyone else feel less safer. Because face it, from things you have said in the past... the thought of a person like you out there with a gun in public is scary. You are the threat to our safety.

    :twisted: :lol:
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
    So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..
    this is not a shot at you or MB or anyone else, but thinking rationally, i would be willing to bet you $100 that MB and people like him would be more worried about saving his own butt than going out of his way to be a hero and save strangers because its human nature to do so. i would think that if you were saved it would have been by luck and not out of intent.

    I'd save you aerial.......you aren't a liberal! :lol:
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Not only do we have internet tough guys on this board. We have internet tough guys with guns valiantly protecting us at eateries around the world!
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    youngster wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    while i can understand your argument regarding trying to protect your family if they were in danger, i have a question for you. if someone breaks in as you say, how the hell are you going to gain access to your gun thats locked away in the 1,000 lb gun safe before they can harm you? it's not like they are going to wait while you go grab it.

    i'm not being sarcastic, i'm deadly serious. how is your gun going to save your family?

    Great question. The truth is if someone broke in in the middle of the night, I have 1 pistol in a safe in my bedroom closet. I (thankfully) have never been in the situation where I need to get into it while panicked and groggy. Hopefully I never will. The rest of the guns are in the big gun safe downstairs in the basement and would be useless to me. They would not be able to protect my family in the middle of the night. I have 2 young children in the house and would never leave these around to be seen by them. I don't even want them to know what guns are until they are much, MUCH older. I guess I can take solace in knowing I live in a safe neighborhood where there hasn't been a serious crime in as long as I can remember.
    this is a great post. i think people would be a lot more comfortable with the whole gun issue if everyone was as responsible as you.

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